They never saw the $$$$....

[vagabond]

I agree,when Jennie and Keith walk into a poolroom they are known and people flock to Keith because of his game and Jennie because she is such a nice lady and a pleasure to speak with.People name calling on here is just childish and shouldnt be tolerated by the Mods.

I stand in close proximity to Keith to hear his one liners and they are the best in town.

 

[ShootingArts]

yup I remember when . . .

I owned running horse stock for profit and working cow horses for fun. Few things more fun than working cows from on top of a good horse.

As for opportunities, I have never misjudged one in my life. I remember the time close friends of a friend's parents started a silly assed scheme back in the late sixties or maybe 1970. I was too smart to get involved with something as ridiculous as herbal supplements and such foolishness. And that my friend is why I didn't get in on the second or third level of Herbal Life for almost nothing when it was offered to me! When my friend lost his parents he was at least left independently wealthy with no reason to ever lift a finger to make a dollar ever again.

Tons of mistakes have been made in the billiards industry, with better smarts we had what could have developed into big money sponsorships. However I think the real problem is that we don't have a product the general public(18-35) wants. Until we find a product we can't sell the public and without selling the public we can't sell the sponsors. We aren't NASCAR, but some single teams have enough sponsorship to support an entire men's pool tour!

Hu

Hu, please note that I didn't say it was GOING to happen...in fact, on that subject, I said "fat chance."

Re: the PBR, I lived in Colorado Springs a few miles from the PRCA world headquarters, owned 3 horses and spent plent of time on working ranches.

My point was not too compare bull riding and pool but to compare the entrepreneurship of those who started the PBR with what COULD happen in pool. Many...in fact, MOST of the rodeo community felt A) they were being disloyal to the PRCA and B) that it would be an utter failure.

Ooops! (-:

Regards,
Jim

 

[av84fun]

You have a great attitude John. Life will go on, but it's a shame to have something like this happen.

James

Quote:
Originally Posted by john schmidt
my check is no good.hopefully chuck can get a good roll and get the money together .either way life will go on .it does suck i spent 1000 getting there come in 5th and get no money.its so typical of the things i see in pool that i just have to laugh.oh well off to the golf course tommorrow.

You have a great attitude John. Life will go on, but it's a shame to have something like this happen.

James
____________________________________________________________

But with absolutely NO disrespect intended, it is that sort of reaction that encourages people to take the risk of firing air barrels.

If everyone just says "Oh well" then it will just keep happening.

But Jay is not saying "Oh well" and I am certain that he is motivated by being a "champion" of the players 10 times more than he cares about getting stiffed himself.

Regards,
Jim

 

[ironman]

I owned running horse stock for profit and working cow horses for fun. Few things more fun than working cows from on top of a good horse.

As for opportunities, I have never misjudged one in my life. I remember the time close friends of a friend's parents started a silly assed scheme back in the late sixties or maybe 1970. I was too smart to get involved with something as ridiculous as herbal supplements and such foolishness. And that my friend is why I didn't get in on the second or third level of Herbal Life for almost nothing when it was offered to me! When my friend lost his parents he was at least left independently wealthy with no reason to ever lift a finger to make a dollar ever again.

Tons of mistakes have been made in the billiards industry, with better smarts we had what could have developed into big money sponsorships. However I think the real problem is that we don't have a product the general public(18-35) wants. Until we find a product we can't sell the public and without selling the public we can't sell the sponsors. We aren't NASCAR, but some single teams have enough sponsorship to support an entire men's pool tour!

Hu

This has been my point for a long time. What exactly do have to sell sponsors? The game is high in participants and has little to very little audience at all.

I hate to say this but the only matches I have found the least bit intresting were the Mosconi Cup matches. Even then the level of play was absolutely horrible, but I at least thought there was going to be a fight or someone might finaly beat the shit out of Earl.

 

[justnum]

There are many great ideas here. They look like first drafts of ideas that can be applied in a feasible manner.

 

[ShootingArts]

well a couple of ideas . . .

This has been my point for a long time. What exactly do have to sell sponsors? The game is high in participants and has little to very little audience at all.

I hate to say this but the only matches I have found the least bit intresting were the Mosconi Cup matches. Even then the level of play was absolutely horrible, but I at least thought there was going to be a fight or someone might finaly beat the shit out of Earl.

I have a couple of ideas. One might be "three gotchas" where the other player can goose the player bending over to shoot three times in the match. Waiting on the third gotcha should provide good drama.

The other idea I stole from the rodeo folks. They set up a poker table in the middle of an arena and turn a bull loose while the people are playing. Leave your chair and you lose, doesn't matter why! We could turn a few bulls loose at a pool tournament when things are dull. It might be messy but with all of the BS already flying, how bad would a little more be. Of course playing on a field of green might take on new meaning.

"Yippee ki Aiyeee, Cow Patty!"

Hu

 

[Dawgie]

After reading through these posts I hear the words, tournament dir., sponsors, promotors, etc. Who are these people that hold these titles and what are their responsibilities to the players? Does anyone know?

The most important items in any tournament:

1. How much money is avail. for the winners?

2. Who is supplying these funds and what is the sourse of funds?

3. Prove that these funds are avail. and how are they being paid out?

As posted earlier in this thread someonw saw a bank statement showing some sort of monetary balance. THIS ISN'T ASSURING THE FUNDS ARE AVAIL. FOR PAYMENT!!!!!! It simply showed that someone has some money that isn't necessarily avail. for payment. Where are the people with experience dealing with these issues?

It doesn't sound like anyone had done this before. You don't take someone's word for thousands of dollars on the line. Escrow accounts DO in fact work for the benefit of everyone. An escrow account isn't just a piece of paper.

 

[Bigtruck]

Lmao

I have a couple of ideas. One might be "three gotchas" where the other player can goose the player bending over to shoot three times in the match. Waiting on the third gotcha should provide good drama.

The other idea I stole from the rodeo folks. They set up a poker table in the middle of an arena and turn a bull loose while the people are playing. Leave your chair and you lose, doesn't matter why! We could turn a few bulls loose at a pool tournament when things are dull. It might be messy but with all of the BS already flying, how bad would a little more be. Of course playing on a field of green might take on new meaning.

"Yippee ki Aiyeee, Cow Patty!"

Hu

Hu,

You are one twisted individual!

Ray

 

[CaptiveBred]

I'll offer ten cents on the dollar for this debt!

 

[whitey2]

do not delete - please

PLEASE do not delete this thread.

I've been away at the ocean for a day or so, have had about 30 minutes sleep in the last 2-3 "days", and desperately want/need to catch up on this thread after resting.

I wish there was a way to save an entire thread (all pages).

There's a whole lot of interesting (to me anyway) stuff in this thread...

 

[NateSchoepf]

So is this matter resolved??

Jam, seems you think this guy is some stand up guy, did he pay yet? I've been gone for a week and there is nothing about the players being paid that I have seen.

Whats going on, anybody have any new information?

Nate.

 

[JAM]

So is this matter resolved??

Jam, seems you think this guy is some stand up guy, did he pay yet? I've been gone for a week and there is nothing about the players being paid that I have seen.

Whats going on, anybody have any new information?

Nate.

Mark Griffin bought some tables from Chuck Bobbitt, and he paid Jay Helfert and the pool players 70 percent of what they got coming.

Thereafter, Chuck Bobbitt has one year to pay the 30-percent balance with 10-percent interest.

Everybody is somewhat happy right now to see a resolution.

JAM

 

[NateSchoepf]

Again, defending something that cannot be defended, WHY??????????

Nate,

Apparently you have missed that this guy has a track record behind him of supporting pool and doing right. When someone does something like this first jump out of the box, he is 100% in error and you lynch him. When someone has many good dealings and then does something like this then you have to consider the possibility that it is a good guy that made a bad blunder. Some folks dig themselves in still deeper not being willing to cut their losses. I suspect he has been scrambling like hell to cover the checks since before he wrote them. Chuck knew the consequences of writing bad checks and wrote them anyway. I have to assume it was with the intention of beating them to the bank one way or another. Few people deliberately commit felonies when they could have left it a civil matter.

Speaking of blunders, calling a lady an idiot on this forum is one!

Hu

For one, I have seen a lot worse said, I guess calling names is against the rules here so I am sorry for that, but please, stop defending this guy or prove that he did this by accident, otherwise you are defending a guy who purposely ripped off the pool players and cost them hundreds and some thousands of dollars.

I don't care if who I am talking to is a lady or a guy, if you are defending something that is not defendable (which is the case here, unless you can prove it was an accident) I will always let you know how I feel. And you saying he wrote them thinking he could beat them to the bank, well, he didnt, and as far as I can tell, he didnt have the money even if he did race them to the bank so your statement is ridiculous.

 

[NateSchoepf]

Good, glad to see the players are getting something, still, it does not make it right and it never will!!!!!!!!

 

[JAM]

For one, I have seen a lot worse said, I guess calling names is against the rules here so I am sorry for that, but please, stop defending this guy or prove that he did this by accident, otherwise you are defending a guy who purposely ripped off the pool players and cost them hundreds and some thousands of dollars.

I don't care if who I am talking to is a lady or a guy, if you are defending something that is not defendable (which is the case here, unless you can prove it was an accident) I will always let you know how I feel. And you saying he wrote them thinking he could beat them to the bank, well, he didnt, and as far as I can tell, he didnt have the money even if he did race them to the bank so your statement is ridiculous.

I wish I had not replied. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. What a shame.

There has been a resolution, but you don't even take the time to read the thread about it. Instead, you're on this thread posting mean-spirited comments. What a pity.

JAM

 

[Rick S.]

For one, I have seen a lot worse said, I guess calling names is against the rules here so I am sorry for that, but please, stop defending this guy or prove that he did this by accident, otherwise you are defending a guy who purposely ripped off the pool players and cost them hundreds and some thousands of dollars.

I don't care if who I am talking to is a lady or a guy, if you are defending something that is not defendable (which is the case here, unless you can prove it was an accident) I will always let you know how I feel. And you saying he wrote them thinking he could beat them to the bank, well, he didnt, and AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, he didnt have the money even if he did race them to the bank so your statement is ridiculous.

As far as you can tell.....says it all.

You don't know the guy...you weren't here when it happened, and all you know about it, you read here.

Yes, it was an unfortunate inccident. One I wish never happened. And I'm sure Chuck feels very much the same way.

He's going to pay....simmer down.

Rick S.

 

[ShootingArts]

Always entertaining

Always entertaining to see someone make a total fool of themselves while attacking my post.

Thanks for great humor and perfect timing!

Hu

Again, defending something that cannot be defended, WHY??????????

For one, I have seen a lot worse said, I guess calling names is against the rules here so I am sorry for that, but please, stop defending this guy or prove that he did this by accident, otherwise you are defending a guy who purposely ripped off the pool players and cost them hundreds and some thousands of dollars.

I don't care if who I am talking to is a lady or a guy, if you are defending something that is not defendable (which is the case here, unless you can prove it was an accident) I will always let you know how I feel. And you saying he wrote them thinking he could beat them to the bank, well, he didnt, and as far as I can tell, he didnt have the money even if he did race them to the bank so your statement is ridiculous.

 

[NateSchoepf]

I am sure you would all be saying the same thing if it were you who had been taken. Why cant we hold people responsible for there actions without someone saying we are mean spirited or that I have a chip on my shoulder? I am not the one who wrote bad checks and didnt pay the prize money when expected. Why do you deflect from what happened and continue to make excuses? I did acknowledge that he has made some effort to make up for his actions but those defending him seem to think that he can make it right and that it was all a big mistake, poor guy, he's old and got in over his head, just give him a chance he will get them there money. Well, in my opinion these excuses and his actions are ridiculous. Sorry that I expect more from people than you do.

 

[ShootingArts]

first rule when you are in a hole . . .

I am sure you would all be saying the same thing if it were you who had been taken. Why cant we hold people responsible for there actions without someone saying we are mean spirited or that I have a chip on my shoulder? I am not the one who wrote bad checks and didnt pay the prize money when expected. Why do you deflect from what happened and continue to make excuses? I did acknowledge that he has made some effort to make up for his actions but those defending him seem to think that he can make it right and that it was all a big mistake, poor guy, he's old and got in over his head, just give him a chance he will get them there money. Well, in my opinion these excuses and his actions are ridiculous. Sorry that I expect more from people than you do.

Here is the post that I responded to politely that is at the root of all of this pettiness not counting the fact that Nate seems to be toting a grudge from a previous thread that I have not a clue about judging by the title of a later post of his.

I have to say it,
Jam
You are an idiot
He can never make it right, even if he pays the players what is owed that doesnt make it right, right would have been paying the players on time.
No, I don't think he should be given a break or given some slack.
Why are you so easy on the guy, cause he's old? Give me a break.
What the hell is wrong with some people.

Nate,

The first rule when you are in a hole is to stop digging. Chuck let his heart override his head and didn't stop digging. You lack the common sense and judgment needed to stop digging when you are in a hole also so you share much in common with Chuck. I have not made excuses or defended Chuck, I and others recommended no rush to judgment. That has turned out to be justified. Now according to Jay's thread he and the players are content with the arrangements they have made with Chuck, 70% now, an extra $300 apiece for the players from the sanctioning fee, and a signed commitment from Chuck to pay the remaining 30% at 10% interest within a year. Yet you, an outsider, keep whining!

Keep digging yourself a hole, keep looking more foolish with every post. You started off in a hole with the foolish post to JAM and just keep digging deeper. Who knows you may find water, oil, or even a short cut to China if you keep digging! You brought this on yourself and you choose to keep looking like a fool. Sooner or later it should cross your mind that the return was bad to begin with and grows less all of the time.

Hu

 

[JAM]

...Keep digging yourself a hole, keep looking more foolish with every post. You started off in a hole with the foolish post to JAM and just keep digging deeper. Who knows you may find water, oil, or even a short cut to China if you keep digging! You brought this on yourself and you choose to keep looking like a fool. Sooner or later it should cross your mind that the return was bad to begin with and grows less all of the time....

Thanks for stating the truth. It is so refreshing to read the words of AzBilliards members who know what's happening.

You guys make this forum what it is today. Sometimes it is difficult to step over the doo-doo posts, but then there's the bright and shining gems from posters like Hu. Thanks for being here and telling it like it is when it needs to be told.

JAM