thoughts on IPT final on tv today. . . . .

RottenRodney said:
I had no idea we had so many commentator critics on this board.
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Well when these tools on tv keep saying "he missed it" and the ball goes in, it gets kinda annoying. That happened more than 5 times. And listening to all three of them make exuse after excuse for Mike got old after the first game. They suggested he go and practice on a practice table, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA poor mike.
 
I did not care for LJJ comentary she was onesided. Mike is a buttface. When did his nickname change from "captian hook" to "mike the mouth"?. Even tho he didnt show his game he still plays great. I still like to watch him play. It will be interesting to see how he does in other events now that he is playing more..........
 
RottenRodney said:
I had no idea we had so many commentator critics on this board.
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Which is further testimony to how bad the commentating was. I've never participated in a bash mitch/espn commentating thread. This time, I couldn't not say something, it was that bad.

Kidrock, you nailed it.
 
I was shocked to hear Lori is such an idiot....She looks o.k. when I have seen her play, but is she dumb or what??? Rooting for Mike's balls to fall. Saying he has been unlucky and can't get a shot. Or he is not winning because he can't break.... If he had not missed the 12 before the 8 ball he would of been breaking long ago...And it wasn't Efren hooking him he was hooking himself.....And her and Kevin say after he hooks himself, "poor Mike. He always is taking tough shots while Efren gets easy shots"... He put himself in that spot. How is that unlucky? Captain Hook fit him in those games....
Guess for money Lori and Kevin will say anything...
I thought the commentating was horrible...Bias for Mike....Rooting for Mike to win....Strange.....
Mike was in Vegas and I spent some time close by where he was and believe me that is no act. Sigel is a jerk...
 
Let's be honest here folks. The commentary on these shows is never gonna be up to snuff for us because we're all fairly experienced players. If you tune in expecting Accu-Stats style commentary you might as well just forget it and get over it. That kind of commentary geared toward us will never happen either on ESPN or on the IPT broadcasts. Think about it. Have you ever watched pool on tv and said, "Wow that commentary was great. I really learned a lot." Probably not. All I'm saying is that you all should be used to this kind of crap by now.

Addendem: I think Allen Hopkins does a fair job, and I think Mark Wilson does a good job when ESPN has him on. But I still don't see the IPT commentary as that much worse than ESPN especially considering the infancy of the IPT.
 
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The high point of the whole 2 hours was Michael Buffer saying "Let's get reeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaddddddyyyyyy to rack 'em". I honestly tried to watch with an open mind and lowered expectations, and I was still disappointed and, quite frankly, disgusted with the partiality shown by the "announcers" toward Sigel. IMHO the program fell short on almost all counts (only professional sound and camera-work saved it from being a thorough wash-out). I fail to see how anyone, pool junkie or novice, could be inspired by what I saw tonight: mediocre play, mediocre announcing, and only 1 shot worthy of instant replay. Given a choice, I would rather pay to watch ANY event during the Derby City Classic than suffer through another IPT offering. Maybe KT should put Pat & The Gang from ACCU-STATS in charge of production. On a lighter note, I did win $20 betting on Efren with a guy that didn't know the match had already been played. Nothing like a good past-posting on a beautiful Florida night.
 
jnav447 said:
I did win $20 betting on Efren with a guy that didn't know the match had already been played. Nothing like a good past-posting on a beautiful Florida night.
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Now why didnt i think of that!!! :eek: :D

Brian
 
what kind of odds did you give the other guy?

jnav447 said:
On a lighter note, I did win $20 betting on Efren with a guy that didn't know the match had already been played. Nothing like a good past-posting on a beautiful Florida night.
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Too funny when somebody is that far behind the bounce. You could have given him any odds on the board!

Hu
 
cueball1950 said:
I could not believe when KT made the statement that at the last U S Open 14.1 mike got mad and broke his stick. Mike did not break that stick on purpose. That cue was broke by accident. Mike even tried to buy that tape from AccuStats. What he more or less did was sorta like tap (a little hard. but not hard enough in my opinion to break a cue) the butt on the floor while holding the shaft in his hand and the cue broke near the joint.[...]
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I'll have to look at it again. But my recollection from watching the tape was that the cue didn't break from any blunt force trauma of being tapped on the ground. I recall he was holding the cue (with two hands?) vertically with the butt on the ground, and when he got upset he pulled down hard. If he was holding a bunny rabbit, those hands would have crushed it to death, imo.

I really think that lucky DH would enjoy watching that tape ;-)

mike page
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Well....everyone knows that Sigel is gonna talk while he is playing. I dont think he was talking loud enough for Efren to hear him...that may have just been the mikes turned up for the viewers. And yes....Mike did have some tough lay-outs when he came to the table, but hey thats pool! The thing that really got me was (not only the biased commentary by LJ) when they interviewed McCreedy and Shawn Putnam and Kim Davenport, all they talked about was how great and feared Sigel is/was. HELLO!!!!! Efren still strikes alot of fear in players in any billiards game. And, Efren is not a young lad anymore either, but he stills plays with the best of them. You have to admire the sportsmanship of Efren too, there were times when Sigel came to the table and made comments and the crowd laughed, and Efren just smiled as to say, "I'm gonna let my cue do my talking, pal".

Southpaw
 
I thought it was great that after Efre'm' broke and left mike no shot, he laughed at Sigel's misfortune.

Also, I do not think Efren played all that well.. I wish some of his racks were a bit harder so he can show some more of his skills. To me, it seemed like his racks were a bit on the easy side. Although his play was enough to get the job done.. I wish i saw more magic.

As for sigel..... well... there is a need to fill a character like that to make things "interesting" (somewhat irritating)....
 
I've read this whole thread to this point. And did anyone besides me notice the rule violation on Mikes turn at the table? It happened more than once. Did anyone see Earl on one of the earlier shows get in trouble for making comments to his opponent? I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to speak to your opponent or make comments about them. Mike did that a lot. As far as the commentating, The best commentators in pool, were sitting in the stands watching. LJJ does not belong in the booth. As much as I dislike Mike, he did a fair job of commentating as far as describing what needed to be done by the players. Except for him talking about how great he was. I said it before," he is still a great player, but nowhere near the speed he was in the 80"s. His whining is just rediculous, to say the least. And his overall attitude, SUCKS." Have a great day, Sam
 
satman said:
I've read this whole thread to this point. And did anyone besides me notice the rule violation on Mikes turn at the table? It happened more than once. Did anyone see Earl on one of the earlier shows get in trouble for making comments to his opponent? I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to speak to your opponent or make comments about them. Mike did that a lot. As far as the commentating, The best commentators in pool, were sitting in the stands watching. LJJ does not belong in the booth. As much as I dislike Mike, he did a fair job of commentating as far as describing what needed to be done by the players. Except for him talking about how great he was. I said it before," he is still a great player, but nowhere near the speed he was in the 80"s. His whining is just rediculous, to say the least. And his overall attitude, SUCKS." Have a great day, Sam
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Yeah, Earl got a warning for it against Gerda I believe. I also wondered why Mike didn't get called for it.

I thought LJJ was not that good of a commentator, but I've seen worse. Overall I enjoyed the match, the good quality video and even Mike's comments.

Cheers,
RC
 
IPT Commentary and Defense of Mike

Regarding LJJ's commentary, my main reaction was that it wasn't nearly as good as Mike Sigel's commentary on the earlier matches. I liked his commentary a lot - he's quick, knows strategy, and he's not afraid to express his opinion.

I can hardly blame LJJ for rooting for Mike's shot to go in. Sure, it's not objective, but he was getting creamed and many people, including me and LJJ, were feeling sorry for him. I favor Efren but hated to see Sigel embarrassed.

As for all the critical comments that Mike has been drawing on this board, he has obviously been encouraged to do his "I'm the greatest" thing for showbiz reasons. He was one of the greatest champions of the game and hasn't been getting the respect that calls for on this board.

Rich
 
my thoughts

1. I watched a youtube video of Efren last night (the one vs. Paul Potier from like 1993 I think) with Sigel commentating and he says "Efrem".

2. I like how Sigel thinks aloud. It gives a bit of insight into what a champion's thought process is like at the table. Too bad he's such an arrogant pr**k though. And I do think Efren and the crowd could hear him.

3. I'm so glad Sigel got ROCKED after all the hype he made of himself during his early round commentary.

4. I completely agree that the commentary fell very, very short of the quality of play throughout the entire tournament.
 
Rich93 said:
As for all the critical comments that Mike has been drawing on this board, he has obviously been encouraged to do his "I'm the greatest" thing for showbiz reasons.
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I'm not convinced that this is true. It seems that his egotistic reputation preceeds him; many forum members can attest first-hand.

Rich93 said:
He was one of the greatest champions of the game and hasn't been getting the respect that calls for on this board.
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A champion he is - no doubt about that. A little bit of humility would do a lot for his public perception however. This is the same beef I have about Earl's behavior; no one can question the accomplishments and abilities of these two greats, but, to many pool fans it's their attitudes that overshadow.
 
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