"Toasti" worked me like a farm animal...

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Just back from Shooters in Wayne, New Jersey where Thorsten Hohmann held a two day (total 14 hours) pool clinic. Though they were hoping for 20 students, only eight attended, including myself. With what was being taught, any more than eight guys would have been difficult to manage, IMO.

When he began on Saturday, Thorsten, or "Toasti" as he prefers to be called, shared an observation that he said was rather shocking to him. That, in large part, American pool players lack structure in their practice routines. He said he finds it commonplace for players here in "The States" to simply throw balls on the table and shoot them in. And that many players seldom go much further than that. So he posed a couple of fair questions about this: "What is their goal and how do they measure their progress?" He said he found this peculiar to the USA and that in most other countries, players routinely had structured drills and practice sessions that measures their progress.

What ensued at our get together was a barrage of purposeful drills designed to get you shooting straight(er), examining english, speed control, position play, reading patterns, thinning balls, and various combinations of all of the above. There were individual critiques, corrections, and group discussions.

Toasti shared some very important facts and considerations, specific to straight pool, 8,9, & 10 ball.

He also instructed on the importance of a good rack, how to read a rack, and related breaking tips.

I have to say that he packed in as much useful information in 14 hours as anyone could imagine. What also helped was that for the most part, the students were advanced in their knowledge of the game so we were able to get through the drills and related dicussions quickly. And, as one would expect from a German national, all of the training materials were meticulous and the flow of information was timely.

What became clear, also rather quickly, was that not only can Toasti play at an extremely high level, but he can teach very well, too. He made a number of references to how he admired his coach back in his hometown of Fulda, Germany, and that he looked forward to seeing him and working with him whenever he gets back there. A nice acknowledgement.

At the end of Saturday's session, I drove Thorsten to Montclair, NJ, (I was staying there with my gf) so he could catch a train to Manhattan. It turned out to be a bit of a fiasco finding the one station that still had NYC service on Saturday night. But that did allow us some extra time to cover subjects like his hometown where I had also spent some time, German beer which he had his first one ever just a few years ago, and the current Mosconi Cup action plus last year's team that he was a member of. Did you all know that, almost certainly, if Thorsten's recent "All Japan" win happened just a couple of weeks earlier, he would have been on today's winning Mosconi Cup Team? Timing is everything!

So, I worked a lot on my game and thoroughly enjoyed the time with Toasti. He is an extremely likeable and very nice young man.

Also, the staff over at Shooters are top notch and their just-recovered Brunswicks play real nice. :thumbup:

Now if you will excuse me, I have to work on some new drills. Man, my feet are sore...

Best,
Brian kc

P.S. Toasti is on his way to compete next at Turning Stone and I wish him the best of luck!
 
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Hey Brian,

Did they tape up all the widows in the place.

I'm glad to see you out there getting as much, good instruction, as you can.
 
Hey Brian,

Did they tape up all the widows in the place.

I'm glad to see you out there getting as much, good instruction, as you can.

Did you mean 'widows' or 'windows'?
I think KC would like to be pro but not promiscuous.
Maybe this tape thing is a redneck chastity belt....:grin:
 
Sounds like a great experience.

What is the favorite routine he taught you, and how do you measure progress with it?

Chris
 
I KNEW Thorsten would put on a great class. I hope the stars & moon align someday so I can partake in an event with him. You're a lucky person IMO!
 
Thanks

Thanks for the info man im glad you had a good time with him sounds like it would be a blast. He always been one of the nicer more well setup pool players that ive seen/heard about. I seen him on the international spped pool championships on espn the other week it said he was new to that but he was still good, but i bet he improves on his game in that though was real fun to watch him jet around the table. Well good luck with the drills and have fun.
 
Sounds like a great experience.

What is the favorite routine he taught you, and how do you measure progress with it?

Chris

Hi Chris;

First, let me thank you for asking me to share a drill with you. The reason I'm thanking you is you have put the pressure on me to figure out the cue table feature and what's really funny about this is that Thorsten came back from NYC Sunday via a ride from his friend Wei, the man who invented the pool table layout software we use on pool.biz. :thumbup: I say "we" because I think between asking him on Sunday about how to use that feature (he gave me a quick tutorial on his laptop) and me now playing around with it, I think I'm somewhat in.

A drill I especially liked, I hope is showing up below. Moving the cue ball around the table is one of the better parts of my game. This drill begins with an object ball frozen to the middle of the head cushion and from the cue ball position shown you must make the 5 ball in the corner 5 times in a row while sending whitey through each of the target paths highlited in blue without hitting a ball. :eek:

As you can imagine, it takes a while to do this successfully once. You must keep at it until you can be successful 5 times. It takes a mix of english and hitting either more object ball (shortens tangent) or more cushion (lengthens tangent) on following shots, and the reverse for the draw shots. It is a tough drill but if you can manage it, it will make your control more precise and you more confident.

Best,
Brian kc

CueTable Help

 
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disregard this post - I went back and fixed it. thx Poolsharkallen!

Shoot, why didn't the table appear here?

I have the url, how do I get it to show up here?

TIA

Best,
Brian kc
 
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Hi Chris;

First, let me thank you for asking me to share a drill with you. The reason I'm thanking you is you have put the pressure on me to figure out the cue table feature and what's really funny about this is that Thorsten came back from NYC Sunday via a ride from his friend Wei, the man who invented the pool table layout software we use on pool.biz. :thumbup: I say "we" because I think between asking him on Sunday about how to use that feature (he gave me a quick tutorial on his laptop) and me now playing around with it, I think I'm somewhat in.

A drill I especially liked, I hope is showing up below. Moving the cue ball around the table is one of the better parts of my game. This drill begins with an object ball frozen to the middle of the head cushion and from the cue ball position shown you must make the 5 ball in the corner 5 times in a row while sending whitey through each of the target paths highlited in blue without hitting a ball. :eek:

As you can imagine, it takes a while to do this successfully once. You must keep at it until you can be successful 5 times. It takes a mix of english and hitting either more object ball (shortens tangent) or more cushion (lengthens tangent) on following shots, and the reverse for the draw shots. It is a tough drill but if you can manage it, it will make your control more precise and you more confident.

Best,
Brian kc

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That drill looks tough... at least for a dub like me! :D

To make that 5 times would probably take me a week! Something tells me I'm gonna try, though.... :p

Thanks for sharing it with us. Any others would be interesting, now that yo've gotten the table graphics thing down... you know, just for practice :)
 
Thanks for sharing. I didn't know this thrill until now, but it clearly follows the scheme of our german drills. It's no special skill to learn there, it's just building confidence and having something to fall back on when the going get's tough.

Actually it's more of a beginners skill and should be accomplished rather easy

This one linked below is one of my favourites and I do it most of the time when I start playing just to get used to the table, my cueing and it gives me confidence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oSQFh3SDHE


It get's tough here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnD0O3fw6Ls
 
Does anyone know if Thorsten is still living in Jacksonville, FL or if he moved back to Germany?
 
Thanks for sharing. I didn't know this thrill until now, but it clearly follows the scheme of our german drills. It's no special skill to learn there, it's just building confidence and having something to fall back on when the going get's tough.

Actually it's more of a beginners skill and should be accomplished rather easy

This one linked below is one of my favourites and I do it most of the time when I start playing just to get used to the table, my cueing and it gives me confidence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oSQFh3SDHE


It get's tough here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnD0O3fw6Ls

Tommy;

The two links you provided were drills that we did at the clinic with Thorsten. Was the guy in the yellow shirt his coach, Eggert (sp)?

The first drill was a great one, too.

The second one I did not complete. It is hard! Realize that you are not shooting random balls. You must do this in a pattern of sides, then end rails, then the last three in the middle all without running into another ball with cueball. Tough drill!

And in the first drill you must only use the two pockets neares the three balls and you must shoot the balls from inside out alternating between the two sets of three balls. He makes it look easy but you can get messed up with that one, also.

We did approx a dozen different drills plus bowliards.

Best,
Brian kc
 
Hey Brian,

Did they tape up all the widows in the place.

I'm glad to see you out there getting as much, good instruction, as you can.

Thanks Tom.

You know I try to absorb as much as possible.

And surprisingly, all windows were left intact. :thumbup:

But as PT alluded to, the taped up widows are another story. lol!

Best,
Brian kc
 
tommy84...If you consider that a beginner drill, you must be a world class player yourself. As an instructor, I can easily say that at least 3/4 of all poolplayers would not be able to complete that drill, even once, without a significant amount of practice...AND an accurate, repeatable stroke (nothing of which was mentioned in the review of this class...to assume that all 8 participants had a quality stroke already, without some sort of video analysis is unlikely), and without hitting at least one of the OB's, as they're laid out in the OP.

I agree with the OP that even a player of Toasti's stature cannot manage working effectively with a group of 20...even for two days. We try to keep our student/teacher ratios to 3-1 or less, so that all students feel like they get enough one-on-one attention. If we had 8 students, we would likely have at least 3 instructors.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Actually it's more of a beginners skill and should be accomplished rather easy.
 
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Hi Chris;

First, let me thank you for asking me to share a drill with you. The reason I'm thanking you is you have put the pressure on me to figure out the cue table feature and what's really funny about this is that Thorsten came back from NYC Sunday via a ride from his friend Wei, the man who invented the pool table layout software we use on pool.biz. :thumbup: I say "we" because I think between asking him on Sunday about how to use that feature (he gave me a quick tutorial on his laptop) and me now playing around with it, I think I'm somewhat in.

A drill I especially liked, I hope is showing up below. Moving the cue ball around the table is one of the better parts of my game. This drill begins with an object ball frozen to the middle of the head cushion and from the cue ball position shown you must make the 5 ball in the corner 5 times in a row while sending whitey through each of the target paths highlited in blue without hitting a ball. :eek:

As you can imagine, it takes a while to do this successfully once. You must keep at it until you can be successful 5 times. It takes a mix of english and hitting either more object ball (shortens tangent) or more cushion (lengthens tangent) on following shots, and the reverse for the draw shots. It is a tough drill but if you can manage it, it will make your control more precise and you more confident.

Best,
Brian kc

CueTable Help


Wei is a cool guy. Always gives me a fun game of 10 ball or one pocket when I visit Amsterdam Billiards.
 
Wei is a cool guy. Always gives me a fun game of 10 ball or one pocket when I visit Amsterdam Billiards.

Learn something every day - I had no idea Wei was a real person.

What I like about the drill is it incorporates subtle aim and position skills in one concise drill. Not an easy drill!

Chris
 
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Kickin',

Serious question here (NOT trying to stir up the sh*t pot).

Did "Toasti" teach an aiming system? If he did, was there any kind of pivoting of the cue before the final stroke? Or, did you notice him pivoting his cue at all before the final stroke? Just curious.

Maniac
 
Hi Maniac;

The question of aiming systems came up and Toasti said that he only uses the instincts that he has developed as a result of so much practice. There was no pivoting of himself or the cue that I saw when he was getting his body into position to go down on his shots.

The only two actual aiming suggestions I heard from him, besides where it is best to hit certain racks, was to do with thinning balls. He said that when he has a very thin cut to make, he hits whitey high center. The reason is that there is much less of an area of the cue ball to hit as compared with hitting the cue ball lower towards center, therefore, less possibility for error.

He added that the vast majority of intermediate and below players undercut the very thin shots so he suggested they try to overcut to compensate and increase their likelyhood of making these shots.

Best,
Brian kc
 
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