Tournament Situation

naji said:
Like wise That rule is in place for this tourney too to save arguments between players, and it did beautifully. This actually shows how smart Ronnie is, to take advantage of every little thing in his power, it is called experience. Another big thing about this rule, is if you do not call it, the coming player have option to return the shot back in case CB is snookered.
The rules did not say do not call obvious bank, combo shots anywhere.
Lastly, this is serious game, not for the love of it, lots of $$$ and ego involved.
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Ray just said that the other Pinoys didn't even agree with what Ronnie did. I find it hard to believe you can't understand the point I was making but I don't care anymore.
 
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This sucks, and ones true character rises to the top in these type of situations. RA will have to live with this, and to me shows he'll never reach the level of Souquet or make it to the HOF. People that choose to win in this manner think more about the money than life itself and eventually get what they deserve. If RA was asked it he thought RS played shape for the combo, what would he of said?
 
JoeyA said:
You're playing in a big mucky-muck pool tournament.

The rule is that you must call all combinations, kicks, caroms and any shot that is not obvious.
Your opponent shoots a VERY OBVIOUS combination but DOESN'T call the shot.

Do you tell your opponent that he didn't call the shot and find the tournament director who will side with you because that is the rule? Or do you just let your opponent slide on the rule?
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I don't see the problem.

Never mind, I reread and see the problem now. You MUST call all combos, etc.
 
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I don't even bat an eye.If both players know whats happening there is no need for the rule.Likewise if i am playing some1 who is a pool player and know what I am shooting I don't call the combo.

Just play pool!

This being said,I err on the safe side.If I don't know the player or suspect he might be a nit I stick to the letter of every rule.
 
DrOnePocket said:
Ray just said that the other Pinoys didn't even agree with what Ronnie did. I find it hard to believe you can't understand the point I was making but I don't care anymore.
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I know you want to be the nice and let slide, but would you if you hurting for the $$$, these guys are playing to make living not for the sport of it big difference.
 
TheNewSharkster said:
I haven't read all the replies but this seems clear to me. The rules state that you must call *all* combinations. Player A didn't call the combo and by doing so wasn't playing within the defined set of rules.

Let me put this in perspective. In a game of football would you ever see a coach decline a pass interference call when it would benefit the team to accept it? Same thing here. You gotta play by the rules. It isn't unsportsmant like conduct because player A made a mistake. It would have been a nice gesture to let it slide but don't hold it against the person who wanted to play by the rules.
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Couldn't agree more. Would I have done it in the same situation, probably not. I can't say for sure because I have never been in that same scenario with that kind of cash on the line. If it were one of my local weekly tourneys, I would do as a few have said and give him a warning and then call it if it happens again. I don't have a problem with what he did. As I've seen alot of people say on here, as long as you know the rules up front, then don't ***** about it when someone calls you on those rules.
 
naji said:
I know you want to be the nice and let slide, but would you if you hurting for the $$$, these guys are playing to make living not for the sport of it big difference.
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I don't run with nits. No one i play with would pull a move like he did. None of the pros who have been asked, even the pinoy's onsite agree with you. Obviously you are wrong. No idea why you can't see that, unless you haven't been around pool very long.
 
DrOnePocket said:
I don't run with nits. No one i play with would pull a move like he did. None of the pros who have been asked, even the pinoy's onsite agree with you. Obviously you are wrong. No idea why you can't see that, unless you haven't been around pool very long.
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Thanks for the answer, please do not take it personal, or think i am that kind of a player. If this event have a Ref 100%, Ref would have called it a foul, not Ronnie, the fact of the matter is, Rob forgot the rule due to pressure, this is pool when it is played for money, not sport.

One more point, That is how Pinoys play in there country, they consider all aspect of mental game seriously. Those who sided with Rob only to please, i bet you they will be 1st to call a foul!!

How many times, in one pocket match people stole your balls, or denied that they owe a ball (took the penny away), or argue about CB hit or did not hit a rail, or being hustled by unknown player, and worst of all missed up score are't all are Nits.
 
DrOnePocket said:
He played shapes for the combo. There was no safety available, no way to pocket the 5 ball. The only available shot was the 5, 8 combo. He made it cleanly, got shapes on the 5.

Ronnie was way out of line. They are pros, not league bangers and Ronnie knew exactly what Rob was doing when he pocketed the 4.

What it boiled down to is Rob was winning 5 to 4 and was breaking better than Ronnie, so he pulled a low class move. I lost all respect for Ronnnie. I don't care how good he plays, he was wrong to do what he did. That wasn't the first shark move he pulled in the match either.
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if Rob accepted the ruling quietly like any Professional without making a scene this thread will not be here, and all of us would still love Ronnie.
 
naji said:
if Rob accepted the ruling quietly like any Professional without making a scene this thread will not be here, and all of us would still love Ronnie.
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Bullshit, a lot of people in Md. saw the stream. Ronnie was wrong in pulling both moves.
 
cookie man said:
Bullshit, a lot of people in Md. saw the stream. Ronnie was wrong in pulling both moves.
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I agree. The call shot move was chintzy.

..and if it's my shot, I will not let him touch the cue-ball.
Alex Higgins used to do that in snooker, clean the cue ball before the break,
even when it was not his break...and he used his mouth and a towel.
 
cookie man said:
Bullshit, a lot of people in Md. saw the stream. Ronnie was wrong in pulling both moves.
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The written rule is:
The rule is that you must call all combinations, kicks, caroms and any shot that is not obvious


I agree on Ronnie over doing the CB cleaning, he was given a warning and done never did it again.

You cannot have 1/2 ass rules follow some and let slide of others!! $4k on the line, Rob mental ability is weak forgot to call it, that is why he has to pay, it is lack of performance issue.

Also Rob forgot that he should not touch the one ball after he removes the rack (i think first or second game) Ronnie did not call it.
 
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I might point out to him that he did not call the shot & ask him if that was his intent. If he answers yes, then we're good to go. The game needs to become a game of honor.

If it was very obvious, I might do nothing at all until he missed & then simply remind him that he did not call it.

I always call bad shots on myself that my opponents don't even notice.

The game may not yet be a game of honor, but it will not be dishonorable because of me.

Hope springs eternal,
 
Masayoshi said:
I give my opponents a warning on the first offense and call them on it on any further offenses.
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The warning would be like "don't forget to call those combos" and it would be immediate. If he copped an attitude I would call the ref and take the foul right there. If he acknowleged it in a sportsmanlike manner I would let it go that time but not the next.

JC
 
blah blah said:
I remember that- about a year or two ago in WA or OR, and the combo was in the side. I vaguely think it happened TO Rich Geiler, who lost, and then the winner went on to play Rafael the very next match. Can't remember who it was, but it wasn't Oscar. Someone younger like him though.
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I think it was Mark Hadad or somebody like that. Really bullshit move. Like said before I think one warning should be giving before calling anybody on anything.
 
naji said:
Also Rob forgot that he should not touch the one ball after he removes the rack (i think first or second game) Ronnie did not call it.
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Why not? Because Ronnie wasn't getting his ass handed to him at the time.
 
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