Tournament Situation

JoeyA said:
You're playing in a big mucky-muck pool tournament.

The rule is that you must call all combinations, kicks, caroms and any shot that is not obvious.

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That is where the problems is. The problems is with the irrational politically correct people who created irrational laws.

You DON`T have any ground to complain when you have rules like that created by irrational politically correct people. what is 'not obvious' to u may NOT be 'not obvious' to your opponent. The player should NOT be blamed for not calling the shot. The blame should go to the framers of the irrational rules. I wish people take responsibility for their inefficiecy,incomepetency & irrationality.
 
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vagabond said:
That is where the problems is. The problems is with the irrational politically correct people who created irrational laws.

You DON`T have any ground to complain when you have rules like that created by irrational politically correct people. what is 'not obvious' to u may NOT be 'not obvious' to your opponent. The player should NOT be blamed for not calling the shot. The blame should go to the framers of the irrational rules. I wish people take responsibility for their inefficiecy,incomepetency & irrationality.
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It is like a situation where you are driving on a highway in a desert. There is a stop sign. There is no car except yours in a two mile radious. Do u stop at the stop sign or drive thru the stop sign without stopping? You can say that the intent of the stop sign is to provide safety and prevent accidents, and there is no chance for accident because there is no traffic in a two mile range.
 
ENGLISH! said:
I might point out to him that he did not call the shot & ask him if that was his intent. If he answers yes, then we're good to go. The game needs to become a game of honor.

If it was very obvious, I might do nothing at all until he missed & then simply remind him that he did not call it.

I always call bad shots on myself that my opponents don't even notice.

The game may not yet be a game of honor, but it will not be dishonorable because of me.

Hope springs eternal,
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Question to you, you are playing 8 ball, you opponent about to shoot the 8 ball for the win, it is in the jaws of the pocket, you are playing for $5000.00, he forgets to call the 8 ball, what do you do??? question to all too
 
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vagabond said:
It is like a situation where you are driving on a highway in a desert. There is a stop sign. There is no car except yours in a two mile radious. Do u stop at the stop sign or drive thru the stop sign without stopping? You can say that the intent of the stop sign is to provide safety and prevent accidents, and there is no chance for accident because there is no traffic in a two mile range.
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You might get a ticket with a trooper hiding, and could be watched by a camera!!
 
naji said:
Question to you, you are playing 8 ball, you opponent about to shoot the 8 ball for the win, it is in the jaws of the pocket, you are playing for $5000.00, he forgets to call the 8 ball, what do you do??? question to all too
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If u cut slack to one situation then a rebel (who refuses to follow the laws of the society) will not call the shot if the 8 ball is sitting 2-3 inches away from the pocket. He will argue that is obvious. It becomes a SLIPPERY SLOPE.

They should remove the source for arguments when formulating the rules. Most of the arguments are the result of the poorly written laws.

The laws should say that every ball on the table has to be called if one does not want to allow the slop shots.
 
naji said:
Question to you, you are playing 8 ball, you opponent about to shoot the 8 ball for the win, it is in the jaws of the pocket, you are playing for $5000.00, he forgets to call the 8 ball, what do you do??? question to all too
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I doubt that I would be playing for $5,000 a game, but if the ball was in the jaws, I'd remind him that he did not call it & I'd pay up. He obviously beat me or I lost to him.

As I said, the game needs to be a game of honor not dishonor. I do not want to win because someone is focused on the shot & forgets to spit a few words out of their mouth. I want to win because I played better. I would not even count that as a win if were tallying up all of my wins.

Now if he shoots at the pocket & makes it two(2) rails down corner & did not call it & expects the win, then we're going to talk. But if it's an obvious shot I'm okay with it. Who knows he might have pointed at the pocket when I blinked.

Remember, 'honor amoung thieves', that's how important honor is, even thieves respect it.

Best Regards,
 
naji said:
Question to you, you are playing 8 ball, you opponent about to shoot the 8 ball for the win, it is in the jaws of the pocket, you are playing for $5000.00, he forgets to call the 8 ball, what do you do??? question to all too
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If I played for that kind of money, I'd be playing 'last pocket 8-ball'....
...problem solved....no other shot has to be called.

The only game I like to be call shots is straight pool.

..but when I do play call shots, I feel the 'spirit' of the law should take
precedence over the 'letter' of the law.
 
pt109 said:
If I played for that kind of money, I'd be playing 'last pocket 8-ball'....
...problem solved....no other shot has to be called.

The only game I like to be call shots is straight pool.

..but when I do play call shots, I feel the 'spirit' of the law should take
precedence over the 'letter' of the law.
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I agree wholeheartedly (bolded part). There comes a time when players have to use their brains, and not try to hide behind some printed sentences in a rule book. Obvious shots should not have to be called, but alas, one has to pull the floorboards out from any chance of an argument (or any chance of someone trying to play hide-and-seek with the rulebook), so call shot on every shot to remove that possibility.

-Sean <-- likes "bank-to-last-pocket 8-ball"
 
Chance to be Honorable amd make a difference in our game

When there is a chance to be honest, let it be in league or tournament, you have a chance to make a difference.

The bigger the stage, even more important.

Stuff like this happens when your 14 years old. Shame on anyone that pulls a move like this especially on a professional type of situation.

Can you imagine a young man coming up from nowhere and playing SVB who he idolizes and getting this move pulled on him on the hill.

I don't think this stuff sends a good message to the world about the game we love and endorse.

One thing for sure if I was the ref I would have told the player to get real.

There is noone in the world except Ronny that would side with Ronny.

Even if the rules read that way there needs to be some common sense interpretation......

Let's play real life pool. Keep the game right. It's up to us.
 
Chance to be Honorable amd make a difference in our game

When there is a chance to be honest, let it be in league or tournament, you have a chance to make a difference.

The bigger the stage, even more important.

Stuff like this happens when your 14 years old. Shame on anyone that pulls a move like this especially on a professional type of situation.

Can you imagine a young man coming up from nowhere and playing SVB who he idolizes and getting this move pulled on him on the hill.

I don't think this stuff sends a good message to the world about the game we love and endorse.

One thing for sure if I was the ref I would have told the player to get real.
I could not let this, what should have been a non call happen.

There is noone in the world except Ronny that would side with Ronny.

Even if the rules read that way there needs to be some common sense interpretation......

Let's play real life pool. Keep the game right. It's up to us.
 
naji said:
Question to you, you are playing 8 ball, you opponent about to shoot the 8 ball for the win, it is in the jaws of the pocket, you are playing for $5000.00, he forgets to call the 8 ball, what do you do??? question to all too
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I would MAN UP, pay him his $5000.00, and flip the coin for the break on the next set.
 
I wouldn't say anything and let them keep playing. I might warn them so that in their next matches they make sure to call it so they don't get in trouble.

Even if he doesn't call it, it isn't a FOUL! The other player gets to shoot from wherever the cue ball ended up or can give it back to the original player. If it was a foul the incoming player would get ball in hand. All that happens is loss of turn, it is exactly the same if a ball is pocketed during a safety.
 
I feel you have to play by the rules. To do less, actually discredits the game, as opposed to "its honorable to the game and your opponent". This is one reason pool is not taken seriously, even by us diehards. You have clear rules, and players are "relaxed" about them, and don't enforce them. To me, that doesn't show respect for the game, it shows the opposite.

Same thing when a tournament has a "2 game penalty" for conceding the 9, and the players don't call it on each other.

Rules are there to be followed. When you pick and choose which ones to follow, on the premise of being honorable, the entire rule set is compromised, as is the game.

These are my 2 cents:)
 
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iusedtoberich said:
I feel you have to play by the rules. To do less, actually discredits the game, as opposed to "its honorable to the game and your opponent". This is one reason pool is not taken seriously, even by us diehards. You have clear rules, and players are "relaxed" about them, and don't enforce them. To me, that doesn't show respect for the game, it shows the opposite.

Same thing when a tournament has a "2 game penalty" for conceding the 9, and the players don't call it on each other.

Rules are there to be followed. When you pick and choose which ones to follow, on the premise of being honorable, the entire rule set is compromised, as is the game.

These are my 2 cents:)
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I believe this thread was 'highjacked' into a money match situation & has returned to a tournament situation.

As a tournament I would agree the rules are there to be followed. I would hope a referee would be the one to make the call, as I would not like to be the bearer of such bad news, but... it would be a lesson well learned as it would be an expensive one.
 
JC said:
The warning would be like "don't forget to call those combos" and it would be immediate. If he copped an attitude I would call the ref and take the foul right there. If he acknowleged it in a sportsmanlike manner I would let it go that time but not the next.

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I like that.

I might say, "In the future, don't forget to call those combos." and like you, if he smarts off with anything, I would call the ref and take the foul right there.

Now, how do I decide if his response has an attitude attached to it? No worries, I've experienced plenty of that before. :grin:
 
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