Thank you for your opinion. I don't agree, based on all of the APA 5's and higher I've talked to and/or seen play, but I appreciate your honest feedback.
Regards,
Dave
Training/instructional videos made by instructors?
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Regards,
Dave
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knowing and being able to execute are two different things. most league players are shot makers. their main problem is not playing the patterns correctly.
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thank you for YOUR opinion. I think it's obvious we don't agree. my post obviously offended you and that was not my intent, but since you've taken the time to discuss this in my thread, perhaps we could dissect some of the lessons from the video and you could give me your opinion on which lesson you think an apa 5 or higher would not know? since the lessons are numbered, it would be pretty easy to discuss them.
dave...No disrepect intended...and I was incorrect about Bob not playing pool (as Bob Jewett corrected me). Bob Byrne is not an instructor (defined as one who gives lessons). Like some other pool authors, he writes well, but does not practice the art of direct teaching. That is not meant as disrepectful. The OP asked about books and videos done by "instructors". An instructor to me is someone who is actively teaching. jmo
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Just curious, what type of information are you looking for? There are many options for instructional dvds/videos and books depending on what you want to learn.
And just so you know, I am not an instructor, but I love to learn how others teach. I always get a little something from each, even if it's just a reminder of a few things.
Dave
And just so you know, I am not an instructor, but I love to learn how others teach. I always get a little something from each, even if it's just a reminder of a few things.
Dave
There sure are a lot of people feeling offended or worrying about others feeling offended around here.
For the record, here is my opinion on all controversial subjects:
(1) Byrne is a mac daddy instructor and is a pool player
(2) Many and perhaps most APA 6's and 7's would gain significantly by watching Dave's excellent DVDs. While experienced pool players will see a lot of things that are familiar, there is a lot of subtle information and understanding presented in them that is not common knowledge even amongst high level pool players.
No, I'm not prepared to enumerate them ;-)
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i guess im looking for a little bit of everything. basically anything that would teach me something new and show me an easy way of teaching others.
Great post Dave! All good teachers remain students of the game forever, and try to learn from everyone they encounter, including other teachers, players, and even our own students! The day you quit learning, is the day you quit learning! :grin-square:
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
If you find that one, there are a lot of instructors out here who would love to hear it. Teaching pool isn't easy. Most of us put in a lot of long hours studying and working to find new and better ways of teaching this game to our students.
We do it because we enjoy it, but no instructor is going to tell you it's easy. Most all of us will tell you it's fun!
Steve
It (teaching) sure is fun Steve. It is also especially rewarding when you hear back from your students weeks and sometimes months later and they tell you how they have, through their devoted practice improved their level of skill and reached some of their pool goals. The praise should be on the student but it is nice to have had a small part in their development.
Cool. I wish you well in your search. Since nobody knows what you do or don't know, maybe not even you, just keep buying and learning.
According to Webster's Unabridged "an instructor is one who communicates knowledge". It does not describe the medium. It could be in person, media, Internet, video, BOOKS, etc.
Robert Byrne has probably communicated correct pool/billiard knowledge to more people than anyone.
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perhaps i should have said, a good way of teaching others. i enjoy passing on info and tips to the players on my teams. sometimes you know things but don't think to pass them on to others. watching instructional videos has become "fun" for me lately, and i've found some good stuff out there. The best i've seen so far is the jimmy reid stuff. it was so unscripted, i almost felt like i was standing there listening and watching him.
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you don't know what you don't know. i've picked up a couple tricks from watching some videos lately.
Chiming in:
Byrne is top notch both as someone who can really play (not just 3C) and as someone who can pass the info on to others. I have no idea what he does with his time between books... but if he wanted to teach in person I have no doubt he'd be good at it.
I totally forgot to mention Dave and his book. I was a 7 in the APA (and not the lowest flavor of 7) and I thought I knew everything about how the balls and cloth and rails interact. I didn't. there's plenty of info that I didn't know in Dave's VEPS samples... subtle stuff that I could actually use in a game. Half of the reason players never get above a certain level is they try shots that have 0% chance of going because they don't understand the physics involved... and they don't see shots that are very makeable if they only knew about them. Knowing the very advanced physics info in VEPS lets you play better position by understanding cue ball english, and it demystifies all the little things players never agree on... why the cue ball jumps on a break, what's happening with a low deflection shaft, how to get the best draw action on a cut, how to beat scratches and kisses... dave, feel free to toss any of this in the testimonials page lol.
So yeah, instructors do make videos and they're worth the investment.
Byrne is top notch both as someone who can really play (not just 3C) and as someone who can pass the info on to others. I have no idea what he does with his time between books... but if he wanted to teach in person I have no doubt he'd be good at it.
I totally forgot to mention Dave and his book. I was a 7 in the APA (and not the lowest flavor of 7) and I thought I knew everything about how the balls and cloth and rails interact. I didn't. there's plenty of info that I didn't know in Dave's VEPS samples... subtle stuff that I could actually use in a game. Half of the reason players never get above a certain level is they try shots that have 0% chance of going because they don't understand the physics involved... and they don't see shots that are very makeable if they only knew about them. Knowing the very advanced physics info in VEPS lets you play better position by understanding cue ball english, and it demystifies all the little things players never agree on... why the cue ball jumps on a break, what's happening with a low deflection shaft, how to get the best draw action on a cut, how to beat scratches and kisses... dave, feel free to toss any of this in the testimonials page lol.
So yeah, instructors do make videos and they're worth the investment.
I just don't agree with this. While a SL4 will learn more than a SL9 there is no doubt that the 9 will still find gems in those volumes.
I found this true when I bought the Mastering Pool set. I found that while I did know the majority in the first two disks I still got a much more clear view of some things I had a vague understanding of. The advanced disk was most helpful as I was vague on most and concretely knew some.
A good rule of how well you know something is if you have mastered it. A good rule of knowing if you have mastered something is if you can do it on command. If you can't do it on command, you have not mastered it and if you haven't mastered it, you do not know it......at least not as well as you thought.
Well, I consider Robert Byrne an instructor.
His videos have tought me proper ways to train and were fundemental in teaching me basics of my mechanics.
Robert Byrne is most definitely an instructor.
His videos have tought me proper ways to train and were fundemental in teaching me basics of my mechanics.
Robert Byrne is most definitely an instructor.