Transaction from 7-12-08

BENFICA said:
I agree with you neighbor. The title said, Sugartree dowels, not sugartree shafts. I might get some red rep but whoever bought the dowels needs to pay attention to what's being said and the way they were posted. I do not find anything wrong about the sale. Refund, how many months later? You have to be kidding me :rolleyes:
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WHY THE USER ID CHANGE?????
 
Hay Marcus

Your link for the exchange brings up your collection. It that a oversight. If not the plain jane with the bar veneers may just interest me. PM a price.
Never mind I just scrolled down.
Nick :)
 
jtbigtex said:
I would like to see the original post
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I believe this is a link to the original post:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=1297759&postcount=1

2 Shafts 6 turned Sugartree Diamond Dowels

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2 - 5/16 x 14 piloted
Stiff taper
4 oz Shafts, 13 mm +
LBM ferrules
Moori tips
$300 this weekend
20 plus GPI, old brownish colored maple

Also have 6 dowels ready for final turning. Best Offer
Two dowels SOLD
All Dowels Sold

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My personal thinking is if I read that title without any other information to go on, I would have probably assumed it was referring to sugartree shafts. This is what the buyer thought as well.

Had he listed it as:

6 turned Sugartree Diamond Dowels and 2 shafts made from these dowels.

There would not have been a problem. The buyer was incorrect in his assumption but sellers, in my opinion, have a responsibility to lis things in a clear and accurate manner.
 
nick serdula said:
Your link for the exchange brings up your collection. It that a oversight. If not the plain jane with the bar veneers may just interest me. PM a price.
Never mind I just scrolled down.
Nick :)
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SENT YA A PM....

I KNOW THE COLLECTION IS LISTED, IT'S EASIER THAN SENDING PICS WHEN PEOPLE ASK ME TO SEE CERTAIN CUES. THEY JUST AREN'T LISTED FOR SALE.
 
poolplayer2093 said:
Did i read something wrong? i thought this thread was started because of shafts. you posted links to pictures of whole cues?

i'm confused
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HE WAS POINTING OUT ANOTHER THREAD WHERE HE FELT PHIL WAS BEING MISLEADING.....
 
ribdoner said:
i read the differential between Mike and Phil's advertised weights as being .2/.3 of a oz.

As you know this can be attributable to a myriad of factors and, IMHO, is not sweatable.

Is my math right?:confused:
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YOUR MATH IS RIGHT...... BUT .3 OUNCES IS SWEATABLE TO ALOT OF CUE BUYERS. 20 0UNCES MAKES A CUE HARDER TO SELL, THAN 19.7 OUNCES. NOT SURE WHY, BUT IT REALLY IS.
 
POOLPLYR1111 said:
since im the one who issued a "threat" to phil let me jump in and add a little info. first off phil was never threatened by myself or anyone. what i did say is that i was going to post a thread requesting the opinions of my fellow az members to settle a dispute. win lose or draw i will stick with public opinion. so here are a few facts. if you read the description posted it says 2 shafts and 6 sugartree diamond dowels. key word here is sugartree. ok they are his dowels what about the shafts? would the average person assume by that description that the shafts were made by sugartree? it surely does not say that the shafts were finished by someone other than sugartree. so why is that? maybe cause the value and sale price would be lower? now i bought these 2 shafts roughly 3 months ago and was perfectly happy with what i thought were sugartree shafts. one day a buddy of mine and fellow az member swisschris liked the way the shafts played and i sold one to him. well like most of us we get things to try then sell them right back here on az. in this case swisschris posts the shaft i sold him here on az as a sugartree shaft. well a day later chris receives a pm from eric crisp himself stating that he never made these shafts? chris calls me with this info and i feel like a D**K cause i sold him the shaft. what is a guy to do. i contact phil to let him know what i found out and all i got was that he never said they were sugartree shafts. ok but you also didnt say they werent. i tried to solve this behind the scenes through pm's but got no where. phil was sly enough to jump ahead and post his own thread like i was attacking him. well thats not my style youll know if im attacking you lol. anyway like i said id like to solve this with public opinion. what do you guys think? any and all opinions would be appreciate.

thanks
ron
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The first thing that crossed my mind when I saw sugartree diamond dowels
 was whether these were sugartree shafts or something else. If it was me, I would have clarified that before I bought them.

On the other hand, the buyer should have clarified that they were something other than shafts made by Crisp.

But that's just my opinion and what do I know?
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
YOUR MATH IS RIGHT...... BUT .3 OUNCES IS SWEATABLE TO ALOT OF CUE BUYERS. 20 0UNCES MAKES A CUE HARDER TO SELL, THAN 19.7 OUNCES. NOT SURE WHY, BUT IT REALLY IS.
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Do you agree that the variance can be ATTRIBUTABLE to MANY FACTORS such as scale accuracy and/or calibration, humidity, etc. and there is NO way for you or i to ascertain what the weight is.

i agree that .3 of an oz can be a deal breaker if someone is LOOKING for one...
 
ribdoner said:
Do you agree that the variance can be ATTRIBUTABLE to MANY FACTORS such as scale accuracy and/or calibration, humidity, etc. and there is NO way for you or i to ascertain what the weight is.

i agree that .3 of an oz can be a deal breaker if someone is LOOKING for one...
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IF YOUR USING A SCALE OFF BY .3 OUNCES TO SELL CUES, THAT'S BAD BAD NEWS, BUT I AGREE, IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE .3 OUNCES OF SCALE VARIANCE FOR MANY REASONS.

I KNOW IF I SEE 20 OUNCES, THE CUE HAS NO CHANCE TO BE MY PLAYIN CUE. BUT IF I SEE 19.7 OUNCES I'D GIVE IT A SHOT. MAYBE IT'S JUST ME, BUT AS A PLAYERS STYLE CUE WEIGHT IS A VERY IMPORTANT FACTOR. FOR A HIGH END COLLECTORS CUE, I DON'T EVEN REALLY ASK ABOUT WEIGHT.
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
IF YOUR USING A SCALE OFF BY .3 OUNCES TO SELL CUES, THAT'S BAD BAD NEWS, BUT I AGREE, IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE .3 OUNCES OF SCALE VARIANCE FOR MANY REASONS.

I KNOW IF I SEE 20 OUNCES, THE CUE HAS NO CHANCE TO BE MY PLAYIN CUE. BUT IF I SEE 19.7 OUNCES I'D GIVE IT A SHOT. MAYBE IT'S JUST ME, BUT AS A PLAYERS STYLE CUE WEIGHT IS A VERY IMPORTANT FACTOR. FOR A HIGH END COLLECTORS CUE, I DON'T EVEN REALLY ASK ABOUT WEIGHT.
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YOUR MISSING THE POINT

HOW DO WE KNOW IF MIKE'S SCALE IS RIGHT OR IF PHIL'S SCALE IS RIGHT?

I'VE SEEN CUES WITH LINEN WRAPS GAIN .4oz IN HUMID CONDITIONS.

WHAT AN ASS in your avatar:thumbup:
 
ribdoner said:
YOUR MISSING THE POINT

HOW DO WE KNOW IF MIKE'S SCALE IS RIGHT OR IF PHIL'S SCALE IS RIGHT?

I'VE SEEN CUES WITH LINEN WRAPS GAIN .4oz IN HUMID CONDITIONS.

WHAT AN ASS in your avatar:thumbup:
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if your cue gains .4 oz during a match, they are betting WAY too much money.


chris G<-------thats why I stick with wrapless or leather:cool:
 
Panhdlce said:
Explain why I should issue a refund when my for sale post states
2 shafts from Sugartree Diamond Dowels?
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1- you just said it.......two "shafts" from sugar dowels. that means they ARE shafts.

2- you have been treading on thin ice around here and should be extra nice to gain back some rep.

again phil, you do this to yourself.



chris G<------wishes phil would learn, but doesn't think he will
 
ribdoner said:
YOUR MISSING THE POINT

HOW DO WE KNOW IF MIKE'S SCALE IS RIGHT OR IF PHIL'S SCALE IS RIGHT?

I'VE SEEN CUES WITH LINEN WRAPS GAIN .4oz IN HUMID CONDITIONS.

WHAT AN ASS in your avatar:thumbup:
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EASY..... HOW MANY PEOPLE SAY THAT MIKE'S DESCRIPTIONS ARE OFF??? I HAVEN'T EVER HEARD THAT HIS DESCRIPTIONS WERE OFF BY .3 OUNCES

PHIL DIDN'T EVEN DESCRIBE SHAFTS PROPERLY.

SO I MAY NOT KNOW FOR SURE WHO WAS CORRECT ON THE WEIGHT, BUT I CAN COME UP WITH, WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE, AN INFORMED DECISION.

YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH MY THINKING...... HELL YOU MAKE THINK PHIL HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING WRONG. BUT WE'RE ALL WELCOME TO OUR OWN OPINIONS.

P.S. I WASN'T MISSING YOUR POINT, I'M WAY BRIGHTER THAN MOST PEOPLE THINK, I JUST WASN'T AGREEING WITH YOU, AND I WAS PROVIDING A DIFFERENT SCENARIO.
 
bogey54311 said:
1- you just said it.......two "shafts" from sugar dowels. that means they ARE shafts.

2- you have been treading on thin ice around here and should be extra nice to gain back some rep.

again phil, you do this to yourself.



chris G<------wishes phil would learn, but doesn't think he will
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WHY SHOULD HE LEARN??? PEOPLE, FOR SOME REASON CONTINUE TO DEAL WITH HIM. SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T GET IT.

IT EVEN TOOK YOU AWHILE TO SEE IT.

I'M NOT BUYING THE "HE'S JUST INDECISIVE" CRAP ANYMORE. PHIL KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING, AND TAKES ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE AND SITUATIONS.

MARCUS <---- IS SURE YOU CAN'T TEACH AN OLD DOG, NEW TRICKS.
 
I thought the deal in question was about buying dowels?

did he buy a cue that had the shafts switched out for dowels from eric c?
 
poolplayer2093 said:
I thought the deal in question was about buying dowels?

did he buy a cue that had the shafts switched out for dowels from eric c?
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THIS THREAD IS ABOUT SHAFTS MADE FROM SUGARTREE DOWELS THAT PHIL SOLD. THE BUYER, BOUGHT THEM AS BEING SUGARTREE SHAFTS, AND LATER FOUND OUT THAT THE WERE -R- SHAFTS MADE FROM WOOD ERIC HAD.

THE THREAD HAS GONE ON TO SEVERAL OTHER THINGS INVOLVING PHIL, BUT THE THREAD WAS STARTED ABOUT THE MISWORDING OF HIS DOWEL/SHAFT THREAD.
 
Panhdlce said:
They are just that, 2 shafts from Sugartree dowels
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YOU KNOW THAT THE WAY YOU HAD IT WORDED, MADE IN CONFUSING FOR THE BUYER.

I'M VERY SURPRISED THAT YOU ONLY PICKED THAT PART OF THE POST TO REPLY TO.
 
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