Trent Cowgill - THIEF THIEF THIEF

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meridianblades said:
AZ Billiards needs a forum called "THE HALL OF SHAME".......... I have the first inductee.... Trent Cowgill ---> Thief
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More like The Hall of Lame On the last Trent debacle his offer to send the customer the "parts" to be finished by another cuemaker was the lamest offer to settle an issue that I had ever heard made by a cuemaker. I didn't say anything out of respect to the cuebuilding community here on AZ, but after this one, and after the way he continually attacks others on the forum, I think the guy is a lame jerk. I also think that he ****ed up the cue up worse than previously reported and isn't man enough to admit it.
 
stupid

This guy's done.........reminds me of another maker that took a cue from someone and would not give it back and police were called up.....Sometimes these cue guys don't know to think.............
 
I say road trip and just take it out of his a$$! BUT thats just me....u should just go small claims...cant lose.
 
This is really sad. If indeed he sold your wood then his elaborate story about a bad cue that he went on and on here being total BS coupled with his holier than thou schpeal means he is a sociopath. He needs to get your wood back NOW and be banned from AZ for good.

I am sorry this happened to you. Does anyone know this "cue maker" and get intervene? Trent really something special.
 
This guy is rediculous.

I've offered over and over to ship it publicly and privately.

http://www.jimboarmy.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7003


Nope I didn't finish the cue on schedule and he was informed the whole time about it.

The cue is ready in my case had it in the pool room today showed it to some people.

All I want is the same thing you do this to be over.

Send the email as I have requested and its in the mail tommorrow just like I said in the emails.

You sir are a attention hog and this could be done and over but you want to drag it out.


As for the rest of the AZ people in this thread as always you prove why more and more cue builders leave here never to come back. You love to sit behind ur computer and jump peoples shit without knowing the facts.

I've said my peace and the offer still stands.

A simple email that you LARRY will accept a defective cue in its entirety 2 shafts and a cue butt that can be fully functional but no guarentee that it will last or be worth a **** in the future and wham insto shipo.

This could have been done and over with.
Its you sir that's the problem.
 
Trent,
You said you would send it back.
send it BACK.
Quit with the drama. Do what you publicly said you would do with out adding caveats.

dumbass
 
So lemme get this right

First I offer all money back plus a free cue once I'm back up and running and ambonya burl, camphor burl, thuya burl whatever he may like to make up for a defect

I get slandered through email called a theif and a liar, saying that I have sold the cue out from under him.

Then I offer the cue back with simple instructions to give me a email in plain english that he's willing to except the defective cue and he can't do it.

All over the fact that I didn't want to put a substandard cue in the world.

So for having quality standards I get railroaded.

The only reason that I'm adimit about the email saying the whole cue is defective is because if it is in fact due to the stabilized wood not holding glue then that means all areas of which have been glued will be faulty. And after all the legal threats and bad mouthing id like to protect myself against a vendictive customer. That's it my only stipulation.

Its ready to ship has been for a while. All that's needed is that email.

And back when I said id cut the cue I should have been more clear.

You wanted ur property so my thought was fine you get your wood back and I cut out my maple, phenolic, rings, pins, bumper and so forth leaving all your wood intact.
Not little pieces as you have suggested.

Atleast when I aired this I told the truth about everything made the picture clear.

I'm still willing to do as I've said.

All I ask is that you do the one thing I ask.
 
The only reason that I'm adimit about the email saying the whole cue is defective is because if it is in fact due to the stabilized wood not holding glue then that means all areas of which have been glued will be faulty.
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And you know this 100% for sure?

Up until a couple of weeks ago when you started the original thread, you had no idea of what you were working with. Someone suggested and it was only a suggestion, that it may be a possibility that some stabilized wood may be difficult to work with due to the possibility of it not holding glue.

Now, because it suits your cause, you're running down the road slapping your bum and yelling out so everyone can hear, Hear ye, hear ye, stabilized wood sucks because it doesn't hold glue. Its not my fault, its Larry's and the woods fault.

You spend a couple of days hanging out in your fathers friends shop and all of a sudden, you're a bonifide cue maker and you know everything.
PFFFFT.

You're a joke and a giant douche Trent, and you prove it beyond a shadow of doubt with every post you make hereafter.
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
And you know this 100% for sure?

Up until a couple of weeks ago when you started the original thread, you had no idea of what you were working with. Someone suggested and it was only a suggestion, that it may be a possibility that some stabilized wood may be difficult to work with due to the possibility of it not holding glue.

Now, because it suits your cause, you're running down the road slapping your bum and yelling out so everyone can hear, Hear ye, hear ye, stabilized wood sucks because it doesn't hold glue. Its not my fault, its Larry's and the woods fault.

You spend a couple of days hanging out in your fathers friends shop and all of a sudden, you're a bonifide cue maker and you know everything.
PFFFFT.

You're a joke and a giant douche Trent, and you prove it beyond a shadow of doubt with every post you make hereafter.
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My last post........ you da man blue hog. Exactly what I was thinking. :clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

I went to jimbo to read the emails and trent what you are trying to do with that statment you want from him is shamfull. You are trying to get him to release you from all liability no matter what condition the cue is in.....even if your bs rattle story isn't true and there is more than involved. And I call bs on you talking to your "lawyer". You said you had a custody attorney, you would have to pay him to even ask that question unless ya'll were tight.....and I know every lawyer (alot of them) I know would have said refund him the money and send the cue back unless you want to risk it. PERIOD. Man your a piece of work. Simple solution is to refund his money and send the butt of the cue to him. What most don't know is this is twice in 6 months you have screwed over a customer and refused to refund them. You made the other guy take a 50 dollar loss after he had to find a buyer for the cue all because you screwed up the veneer order and were to lazy or unable to make another forarm. Incredible !!!!! Please stop calling yourself a cue maker....your bringing us down.
 
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Trent said:
This guy is rediculous.

I've offered over and over to ship it publicly and privately.

http://www.jimboarmy.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7003


Nope I didn't finish the cue on schedule and he was informed the whole time about it.

The cue is ready in my case had it in the pool room today showed it to some people.

All I want is the same thing you do this to be over.

Send the email as I have requested and its in the mail tommorrow just like I said in the emails.

You sir are a attention hog and this could be done and over but you want to drag it out.


As for the rest of the AZ people in this thread as always you prove why more and more cue builders leave here never to come back. You love to sit behind ur computer and jump peoples shit without knowing the facts.

I've said my peace and the offer still stands.

A simple email that you LARRY will accept a defective cue in its entirety 2 shafts and a cue butt that can be fully functional but no guarentee that it will last or be worth a **** in the future and wham insto shipo.

This could have been done and over with.
Its you sir that's the problem.
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I hate to see threads like this on AZ where someone is labeled a thief. I took a look at the thread above that you highlighted and it goes back for some time. That's a long time to be holding onto someone else's property don't you think? My question for you is do you have Larry's correct address and if so why have you not shipped anything back to him after all this time?
 
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jay helfert said:
I hate to see threads like this on AZ where someone is labeled a thief. I took a look at the thread above that you highlighted and it goes back for some time. That's a long time to be holding onto someone else's property don't you think? My question for you is do you have Larry's correct address and if so why have you not shipped anything back to him after all this time?
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Cue has only been completed for a little over a week or 2, and no i dont have his mailing address.
 
ComptonCustomCues said:
My last post........ you da man blue hog. Exactly what I was thinking. :clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

I went to jimbo to read the emails and trent what you are trying to do with that statment you want from him is shamfull. You are trying to get him to release you from all liability no matter what condition the cue is in.....even if your bs rattle story isn't true and there is more than involved. And I call bs on you talking to your "lawyer". You said you had a custody attorney, you would have to pay him to even ask that question unless ya'll were tight.....and I know every lawyer (alot of them) I know would have said refund him the money and send the cue back unless you want to risk it. PERIOD. Man your a piece of work. Simple solution is to refund his money and send the butt of the cue to him. What most don't know is this is twice in 6 months you have screwed over a customer and refused to refund them. You made the other guy take a 50 dollar loss after he had to find a buyer for the cue all because you screwed up the veneer order and were to lazy or unable to make another forarm. Incredible !!!!! Please stop calling yourself a cue maker....your bringing us down.
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i like how all of a sudden you come out of your black hole only when its oppertune for you to comment.
Do yourself a favor crawl back in because you dont know shit. I said I used the same attorney to answer a simple question on this, the same attorney I used in obtaining custody of my son.
Any attorney that couldn't speak on a subject like this, wel..... dont hire em.


ive said it repeatedly the cue will come as pictured finished in amazing shape 2 shafts the whole cue all usuable and not beat up i dont know where all this came from where people think im just going to break the shafts beat up the cue and send it to him lol

Ive offered to do everything under the sun in this and all ive asked is for that one email so i can be done with this.

clearly it wont happen.
 
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Blue Hog ridr said:
And you know this 100% for sure?

Up until a couple of weeks ago when you started the original thread, you had no idea of what you were working with. Someone suggested and it was only a suggestion, that it may be a possibility that some stabilized wood may be difficult to work with due to the possibility of it not holding glue.

Now, because it suits your cause, you're running down the road slapping your bum and yelling out so everyone can hear, Hear ye, hear ye, stabilized wood sucks because it doesn't hold glue. Its not my fault, its Larry's and the woods fault.

You spend a couple of days hanging out in your fathers friends shop and all of a sudden, you're a bonifide cue maker and you know everything.
PFFFFT.

You're a joke and a giant douche Trent, and you prove it beyond a shadow of doubt with every post you make hereafter.
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maybe in Canada they dont teach you how to read A.

it is listed as a question and says that if the wood is the cause.

im not hanging on that and that alone.

your about a pointless person on here dreaming to one day build a cue and all you ever do is offer snide, bullshit, wisecraking, smartass comments on peoples threads never really anything of value.

my fathers shop????
yes i was running a lathe as a pre-teen.

I have my own shop tho thanks. when you can acually afford one that can build a cue please post pics:grin:

enjoy your internet life here on AZ as this may be the highpoint in your social life, judging from your posts im sure you have few friends.
 
Trent said:
Cue has only been completed for a little over a week or 2, and no i dont have his mailing address.
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Post pictures of the cue in question...

Maybe even next to today's newspaper, proving whether or not you still have it...
 
Start from the bottom.....Here's my favorite part tho..........."just acknowledge that the whole cue is defective please"



I guarentee you that if you respond to this email with "I agree" as requested that your willing to accept a defective cue, it will come whole. A whole cue butt in one piece and 2 shafts everything functional and there



just respond and say you acknowledge this.




Thats it.









--- On Wed, 7/25/12, Larry Shaughnessy <larrymshaughnessy@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Larry Shaughnessy <larrymshaughnessy@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: There you go
To: "Trent Cowgill" <marleycustomcues@yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 4:03 PM





I cant do that Trent.....you have threatened in writing to cut the cue up, and that would leave me open to getting a bunch of pieces in the mail, broken shafts or whatever else ..... so I guess its up to you what you want to do. Based on your decision I will either look for it in the mail or take the path with the police and lawyers. The choice is yours ... If your just going to argue your point more dont send anymore emails. If you get the tracking # then send it to me, and we can move on from there.



Thanks Larry





LShaughnessy







From: Trent Cowgill <marleycustomcues@yahoo.com>
To: Larry Shaughnessy <larrymshaughnessy@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: There you go




i sent my last email before I received this.



please just fill your name in the blank on the last email and send it back and i assure you I will ship the cue right away.




thats all i want.








--- On Wed, 7/25/12, Larry Shaughnessy <larrymshaughnessy@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Larry Shaughnessy <larrymshaughnessy@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: There you go
To: "Trent Cowgill" <marleycustomcues@yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 3:51 PM





Trent

Listen I have no desire to come after you on this cue. I really have a lot of other work I need to get done with other things. Projects of my own. I really dont have the time to be honest. I am going to probably just send the cue off to another cuemaker to have it fixed if I hear the rattle, but I would like to see it and try it out first. I will pay for the repair out of my own pocket.....dont worry about that. I think the cue looks good. Don't turn this into a big fight, just send the cue and shafts to me and let me handle it from there. I havent bashed you on the boards.....I keep my word. That should tell you something about me. The koa came from a close friend who lives in Hawaii. It has meaning to me......



So I am asking you one final time to do the right thing, put this to bed, send the cue and shafts to me and let me handle it from there.



Larry





LShaughnessy




----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Larry Shaughnessy <larrymshaughnessy@yahoo.com>
To: Trent Cowgill <marleycustomcues@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: There you go





NO.......you have stated over and over again that the A joint rattles. That is the defect that YOU have identified as the cuemaker. I have more than acknowledged that statement, and requested that the cue be sent with the rattle. That is the only defect you have stated exists. I have been MORE than accomodating. I have paid you in full. I am done playing games these with you.







LShaughnessy





From: Trent Cowgill <marleycustomcues@yahoo.com>
To: Larry Shaughnessy <larrymshaughnessy@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: There you go




why do you have to be so difficult the cue is defective the whole thing according to what ive been told the wood you have supplied will not hold glue and the chances are that the whole thing could fall apart. so please once again just say your accepting a defective cue.



Im just covering my self from future legal repercussions.


just acknowledge that the whole cue is defective please and ill ship it ASAP.





--- On Wed, 7/25/12, Larry Shaughnessy <larrymshaughnessy@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Larry Shaughnessy <larrymshaughnessy@yahoo.com>
Subject: There you go
To: "Trent Cowgill" <marleycustomcues@yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 1:52 PM





Trent

Here it is AGAIN.... "I am willing to accept the defective A joint rattle as described by you in the koa cue you made for me, and yes the deal will be complete at that time once I receive the cue and shafts"............



There you go.... now send the cue and shafts with tracking # etc...





LShaughnessy





From: Trent Cowgill <marleycustomcues@yahoo.com>
To: Larry Shaughnessy <larrymshaughnessy@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: Send me MY KOA CUE....




Wrong the verbiage needs to be correct.

stating that you are willing to accept a defective cue on your own behalf, and that after it is shipped our deal is complete as you will have your property.


After all your legal threats, and insults to my character calling me a thief and all I think you can at least do this for me.


Thats all im asking.


Thanks,

Trent --- On Wed, 7/25/12, Larry Shaughnessy <larrymshaughnessy@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Larry Shaughnessy <larrymshaughnessy@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Send me MY KOA CUE....
To: "Trent Cowgill" <marleycustomcues@yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 1:08 PM





Trent

I have already done that multiple times.....its in the emails. Please send the cue and shafts.



Thanks Larry





LShaughnessy





From: Trent Cowgill <marleycustomcues@yahoo.com>
To: Larry Shaughnessy <larrymshaughnessy@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: Send me MY KOA CUE....




Larry,

Your cue is finished.

Heres a pic.


But according to my attourney until you in writting agree that your going to accept a defective cue on your on behalf I cannot ship it. as far as time to ship I have aslong as I want to ship it. This is due to the fact that you were only quoted a projected/estimated date of completion.


so this will sit in limbo until you agree that your accepting a defective cue on your own behalf. This will complete our deal as your property will have been returned and you have paid in full for a defective cue.




Thanks,

Trent
 
Come on TRENT....tell me a story about how stabilized wood can't be glued up.............

I want to ALERT the production line cue companies who use it (I know of at least 2), several “real” custom cuemakers (I know several), oh…… and these guys

---> Luthers, Knifemakers, Pen Turners, Bottle Stop Makers, Bow Makers, Reel Seat / Rod Makers, Bowl and Vase Turners, Straight Razor / Brush Makers, Duck and Goose Call Makers and on and on and on....
 
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