Ultimately, IPT players deserved it

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smashmouth

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Pro Pool players are and always have been short sighted, selfish, greedy sob's, this will not change anytime soon.

The Europeans and the ladies are much better in this regard.

There was lots of talk about lawsuits and unions BEFORE the paltry 11% cheques.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, lawsuits and the IPT aside, the time has never been more right to form a players organization, but hey, as long as those paltry cheques keep coming.....

Many of the top players could have done something about this, they chose not to. I know that many players looked to Johhny Archer to lead them through this and he brushed them off, couldn't care less apparently.

I felt real bad before about what happened to the IPT players, but now, I think KT just found a bunch of greedy suckers who continue to prove W.C. Fields correct.

My condolences to the tiny minority who actually did try to something about the situation, both before and after.
 
Regardless of what you may think of the majority of players, nobody deserves to be lied to, and treated disrespectfully.
 
smashmouth said:
Pro Pool players are and always have been short sighted, selfish, greedy sob's, this will not change anytime soon.

The Europeans and the ladies are much better in this regard.

There was lots of talk about lawsuits and unions BEFORE the paltry 11% cheques.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, lawsuits and the IPT aside, the time has never been more right to form a players organization, but hey, as long as those paltry cheques keep coming.....

Many of the top players could have done something about this, they chose not to. I know that many players looked to Johhny Archer to lead them through this and he brushed them off, couldn't care less apparently.

I felt real bad before about what happened to the IPT players, but now, I think KT just found a bunch of greedy suckers who continue to prove W.C. Fields correct.

My condolences to the tiny minority who actually did try to something about the situation, both before and after.
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What are you trying to accomplish here?:confused:


What an insulting load of crap!
 
smashmouth said:
Pro Pool players are and always have been short sighted, selfish, greedy sob's, this will not change anytime soon.

The Europeans and the ladies are much better in this regard.

There was lots of talk about lawsuits and unions BEFORE the paltry 11% cheques.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, lawsuits and the IPT aside, the time has never been more right to form a players organization, but hey, as long as those paltry cheques keep coming.....

Many of the top players could have done something about this, they chose not to. I know that many players looked to Johhny Archer to lead them through this and he brushed them off, couldn't care less apparently.

I felt real bad before about what happened to the IPT players, but now, I think KT just found a bunch of greedy suckers who continue to prove W.C. Fields correct.

My condolences to the tiny minority who actually did try to something about the situation, both before and after.
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It is very clear why you chose the screen name SMASHMOUTH:eek: :eek: !!!!!!

By the way do you have any teeth left:D !!!!

Manwon
 
all truths, everyone knows it, and if I ever meet Archer I'll give him a chance to knock out my teeth
 
manwon said:
It is very clear why you chose the screen name SMASHMOUTH:eek: :eek: !!!!!!

By the way do you have any teeth left:D !!!!

Manwon
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Deleted and deleted again!
 
Totally uncalled for...

smashmouth said:
Many of the top players could have done something about this, they chose not to. I know that many players looked to Johhny Archer to lead them through this and he brushed them off, couldn't care less apparently.
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This comment is totally uncalled for. To head an organization, you have to be totally dedicated to the effort. You cannot be an active player, and head a player's union or association. To run a true organization, you would have to at least leave almost everything behind to gather a group of excellent people to do lot's of jobs. You need an accountant, a lawyer, public relations person, human resource person, an administrator, receptionist, and it would be possibly a 24 hour operation at the beginning. You would have to be accessible 24/7. Oh, and we are not talking about the times you have to put your family in second place to try to achieve everything a good player's organization is supposed to do. Your own family, most of the times, end up being your personal assistant, secretary, receptionist, typist, and who knows what else.

Just ask Charlie Williams about all the heat he got when he came up with the UPA. Then you have people like you, criticizing almost everything that is done, but no one lends you a hand.

I wouldn't blame Johnny Archer or anyone else for that matter in not taking a position like this. I am certain that the reasons IS NOT that he does not care. The sacrifice, in Johnny's case, would be tremendous, in terms of providing for his family, and the entire organization for which he is to be leading.

Have you ever tried playing and being a tournament director at the same time? It is not easy. Being the head of a players organization is about ten-fold the amount of work.

The UPA is already established. It is up to the players to reorganize, and lend a helping hand to this organization.

Been there, done that.


Harold Acosta - President
Puerto Rican Billiard Federation
 
smashmouth said:
Pro Pool players are and always have been short sighted, selfish, greedy sob's, this will not change anytime soon.

The Europeans and the ladies are much better in this regard.

There was lots of talk about lawsuits and unions BEFORE the paltry 11% cheques.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, lawsuits and the IPT aside, the time has never been more right to form a players organization, but hey, as long as those paltry cheques keep coming.....

Many of the top players could have done something about this, they chose not to. I know that many players looked to Johhny Archer to lead them through this and he brushed them off, couldn't care less apparently.

I felt real bad before about what happened to the IPT players, but now, I think KT just found a bunch of greedy suckers who continue to prove W.C. Fields correct.

My condolences to the tiny minority who actually did try to something about the situation, both before and after.
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Now THAT's a Hot Sports Opinion (HSO)...

I don't agree that the player's deserved it, but I do think they were asking for it.
 
they totally were in a position to have KT bend over and take it like a man.

Besides the obvious of being tough on their part
in negotiating their affiliation with IPT.

They could have created deals on their own about how to go about their personal publicity contracts.

Lawyers have been shown so far to be helpful in an emergency, imagine working what with them for planning ahead could do.
 
Unfortunately, smashmouth is mostly correct in his original post.

The players didnt deserve it, but they did have an opportunity to help themselves, and instead, they elected to remain hopeful, after the apparent collapse of the IPT.

I spoke to Johnny, personally about his participation in pursuing remedies on behalf of all the players, and his response shocked me.

The fact is, you can't say Johnny doesnt care, but the truth is, he wanted to continue to support the ipt, and didnt want to pursue any organizational attempts or legal remedies either.

I am not really inclined right now to get into it, but sadly, smashmouth is mostly dead on with his assesments.

rg
 
I just checked the list of 07 qualifier advancers and card holders, surely those players arent going to let their money go down the drain.

What happens to those players, I just hope they get a little interactive with the required amount of participation.

Operational readiness isnt always an exercise. It is established KT is running a tour. But the players do bring aspects of the tour their managers should be handling.

on a lighter note Im not as serious as my posts.
 
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smashmouth said:
Pro Pool players are and always have been short sighted, selfish, greedy sob's, this will not change anytime soon.

The Europeans and the ladies are much better in this regard.

There was lots of talk about lawsuits and unions BEFORE the paltry 11% cheques.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, lawsuits and the IPT aside, the time has never been more right to form a players organization, but hey, as long as those paltry cheques keep coming.....

Many of the top players could have done something about this, they chose not to. I know that many players looked to Johhny Archer to lead them through this and he brushed them off, couldn't care less apparently.

I felt real bad before about what happened to the IPT players, but now, I think KT just found a bunch of greedy suckers who continue to prove W.C. Fields correct.

My condolences to the tiny minority who actually did try to something about the situation, both before and after.
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If you are going to badmouth the players why not tell them who you are? No need to even put a thread like this, are you a player? My name is Earl Timmons who are you?
 
I disagree with smashmouth when he talks about 'pool players' and how they are selfish greedy sob's, this is a generalization and is a stereotypical attitude that stems from smashmouth's own insecurities. This statement he made does nothing to help the sport grow, I understand that he may have had some bad experience with a player or two. But the only people that belittle pool players are sadly many times the ones who can't play or don't have the heart to try.
 
Danny,
I played you for a couple hours at Magoo's in Tulsa about 5 years ago. You were a perfect gentleman, were complimentary, offered some good advice, and didn't try to gamble with me.

It was one of the best experiences I've had playing a pro player.

You certainly did not deserve any of this KT crap.
 
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