Update: California Ivory Ban (July 1, 2016)
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Do you actually believe there will be thousands of inspectors employed by the state government to open millions of packages? I can't see that happening at any level.
He'll use other materials in his "handles"' I think. And in the joints and ferrules.
And Prewitt as well. Ernie has talked to me about moving in the past. Maybe now he will. He's not getting any younger so who knows? I sometimes wonder if he'll ever retire.
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What is the legality of postal service opening packages? How would they know which packages to open to look for ivory?
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...retire???
There may not be inspectors but there is discussion underway that would require annual certification that CA cue-makers, jewelers, etc. have not sold or used any ivory, even for repair of items, and it would get filed with Fish & Wildlife.........it adds extra incentive to comply since filing a false document would add more criminal charges to the offense.........CA cue-makers are basically out of the ivory business come July 1st.
Anyone that has a cue underway with any ivory being made by a CA cue-maker (doesn't matter whom the cue-maker is) have a potential problem. If their cue doesn't ship before the end of June from a CA cue-maker, these folks could have a problem acquiring their cue(s). Fed Ex, UPS, etc. isn't going to be opening parcels and checking but the fact is for whatever reasons whatsoever......if you get caught you will forfeit your cue, pay at least a $5k fine and incur substantial legal costs from prosecution since jail time is a possibility. CA cue-makers can also expect more substantial fines since they were the source for the sale of the ivory to begin with and then to compound matters, the cue-maker ships the pool cue illegally to the buyer. The cue-makers in CA are going to get hammered if they sell or repair any cues using any ivory........the law sucks!
Common carriers are allowed to open and inspect any package they are handling which you consent to when you use the service. As time progresses, probably by summer 2017, the outlook will be clearer as to the risks but cues are confiscated at the Alaska / Canada border for having ring tail lizard wraps....who knows where this could lead. The point is there are no more "legally sold" cues after July 1st from CA cue-makers when the cue has any ivory.
Anyone that has a cue underway with any ivory being made by a CA cue-maker (doesn't matter whom the cue-maker is) have a potential problem. If their cue doesn't ship before the end of June from a CA cue-maker, these folks could have a problem acquiring their cue(s). Fed Ex, UPS, etc. isn't going to be opening parcels and checking but the fact is for whatever reasons whatsoever......if you get caught you will forfeit your cue, pay at least a $5k fine and incur substantial legal costs from prosecution since jail time is a possibility. CA cue-makers can also expect more substantial fines since they were the source for the sale of the ivory to begin with and then to compound matters, the cue-maker ships the pool cue illegally to the buyer. The cue-makers in CA are going to get hammered if they sell or repair any cues using any ivory........the law sucks!
Common carriers are allowed to open and inspect any package they are handling which you consent to when you use the service. As time progresses, probably by summer 2017, the outlook will be clearer as to the risks but cues are confiscated at the Alaska / Canada border for having ring tail lizard wraps....who knows where this could lead. The point is there are no more "legally sold" cues after July 1st from CA cue-makers when the cue has any ivory.
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Thanks for the update Matt.
California may be where goofy legislation starts, but it always seems to spread. I see zero chance of any California cue maker moving. They'll just make cues without ivory.
The lawmakers are achieving exactly want they intended to do. That is, make ivory essentially worthless. It's unfortunate, but I doubt anyone will be able to run away from its' sting just because you live in the mid-west somewhere. It's only a matter of time.
Paul
California may be where goofy legislation starts, but it always seems to spread. I see zero chance of any California cue maker moving. They'll just make cues without ivory.
The lawmakers are achieving exactly want they intended to do. That is, make ivory essentially worthless. It's unfortunate, but I doubt anyone will be able to run away from its' sting just because you live in the mid-west somewhere. It's only a matter of time.
Paul
Yep. That's all the state seems to want anyway. I don't understand the allure of ivory. I have cues with and without but I would have liked the cues no matter what white material was used.
Why would a California resident even want a cue with ivory in it, given all the hassles that will ensue. Will you be able to transport it? If you get pulled over, it will be an excuse to hassle you. Can you sell it? Will your heirs be able to inherit it?
Thank you kindly.
Thank you kindly.
Don't bank on it .
We do have the best climate for cue making here if you are a few miles from the ocean like Ernie, McWorter, Tad , Tiger Products, me and some others.
Most of the year, you can keep the doors and windows open and humidity in the shop would be around 40%-50%.
I wouldn't be shocked if makers start moving to Texas or Florida.
Or maybe even Colorado or Wyoming.
He'll move,or retire.
I pretty much have this laid out and unless ivory gets banned nationally, no problem since I do intend selling any of my cues.
I can, or my children can, take my pool cue across the state line and physically sell it as long as payment is completed outside the geographical boundaries of CA. I already confirmed this to be the case and vice versa, I can buy a cue with ivory as long as the transaction is consumated outside of Cailfornia, like at the LV cue show.
All of my cues have documentation showing when I acquired the pool cue & the price via a bill of sale, a description of the cue-maker & pool cue. The ivory ban starts July 1, 2016 so I am legally prepared for what's coming and as long as my cues underway reach me by June 30th, I am in full compliance with the new ban.
I can, or my children can, take my pool cue across the state line and physically sell it as long as payment is completed outside the geographical boundaries of CA. I already confirmed this to be the case and vice versa, I can buy a cue with ivory as long as the transaction is consumated outside of Cailfornia, like at the LV cue show.
All of my cues have documentation showing when I acquired the pool cue & the price via a bill of sale, a description of the cue-maker & pool cue. The ivory ban starts July 1, 2016 so I am legally prepared for what's coming and as long as my cues underway reach me by June 30th, I am in full compliance with the new ban.