It's damn near impossible, That is why so many have stopped trying and will continue to do so if to much crap like this continues to happen.
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It's damn near impossible, That is why so many have stopped trying and will continue to do so if to much crap like this continues to happen.
I also agree with this quote although I can see now from his further responses that the OP isn't really interested in getting constructive feedback. He just wants to trash Stevie and have people tell him he's right.
the way i see it is, people need to decide in what direction they want the state of pool to go. If you want it to become big time? then sacrifices have to made in the lower ranks and i think this is really the bottom line that stevie is mad at. You cant suck and blow at the same time.
when i played hockey i had to buy all my equipment and at the higher levels, the same organization supplying it.
when i played hockey i had to buy all my equipment and at the higher levels, the same organization supplying it.
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It wasn't just what he said to Shane, It's for acting like a child who wants his toy back if front of everyone and on live stream. If you have a problem talk about it don't throw a tantrum.
Many people have been put on their ass for much less. Do I agree with that sort of action, most of the time NO.
I personally like Stevie and still do. But, a spade is a spade and he was wrong.
seriously? This is basically stevies job and he thinks he was wronged. Now when i think im getting stiffed at work when it comes to money, i pipe up and say something and the amount has nothing to do with it. This is all he did but i guess his timing was bad! loosen up and stevie will come out of this fine, if not better for speaking up
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Yes, seriously. Let's put our aiming systems bias aside, and look at the big picture. There were others at the same tourney, competed in it, side-by-side with other people, and not one of them complained about having to pump quarters in the table. Stevie was the only one. Again, the basic point -- that you're conveniently missing -- is "penny-wise, dollar-foolish." Like it or not, the whole "Attica! Attica!" scene is going to be remembered for a long time, especially when he tried to rope someone else into it (Shane), and then rudely admonished him when he (Shane) refused.
Timing issue? Sure. There's never a time for this.
-Sean
See that's the thing. In pool there really is no difference between a lower level and a pro level. I can call my self a pro and go play in the U.S. OPEN . Can I go play the U.S. Open in tennis or golf without at least qualifying first. NO.
Alot of pros act like they are entitled to something. It me me me me me. That additude is why Stevie was in Reno putting coins in a bar box and not on television making real money.
Yes it does, and most of us man up and apologize for it.
This is why Shane is where he is and Stevie is not. He has the right way of thinking. Shane told him well they have to make money too. Hello, if the promoter doesn't make money there is no more tournament. As the Seminoles
Thanks for the first hand account.
Now I will share that after seeing an interview video of Stevie, reading some other interviews of him, and watching him play, I like Stevie and I am a fan of Stevie.
My opinion that having to feed the tables is a bad way to go has nothing to do with me personally liking Stevie Moore. I agree that if one pays all should pay though. No one should have to pay by the game though. It should be obvious by now that the majority agree that there are better ways to collect that revenue.
Finally, I'm disappointed Stevie lost his cool and did and said the things I am reading here. It sucks and I'm sorry you had to deal with it.
sean, i agree the timing of stevies outburst was off, he had a lapse in judgement i guess, we all do once in a while, some are bigger than others, we are only human.
Damn! Somebody already took my response.
I wanted to be the first to point out how it would look if each American Idol contestant had to pump money into the Karaoke machine before every performance.
Tacky? Chumps? Really? do you feel like a chump every time you plug a table? I don't, it never even crossed my mind.
In the corporate world when an incident occurs that is viewed as a negative event the first actions taken are to determine exactly what happened, why it happened, and, most importantly, what to do to reduce the probability that a similar incident will occur in the future.
What Happened
A player overacts negatively when he finds out that he must use tokens on the streaming table. He did not do so when playing on any of the tables that were not streamed.
Why It Happened
In prior years the streaming table was open.
The only other time during this tourney said player was on the streaming table it was open.
At the beginning of the tourney Management decided the streaming table should be open.
Later, after the tourney had begun Management decided the streaming table should not be open.
This change after the tourney had started was not clearly announced by Management to all the players.
Actions Needed to Reduce the Probability of a Future Repeat on the Incident
Management needs to strive to avoid making changes in the rules/procedures after the tourney begin.
Management needs to make sure that all rules/regulations/procedures are explained in detail to the players both in written form and during the players meetings with special emphasis on any changes from prior years or any that may be controversial.
Should such changes still need to be made Management must assure that all players have been informed of such changes as soon as possible.
This in no way excuses said player for his actions. However, it does show that management actions/decisions certainly contributed to the incident.
What Happened
A player overacts negatively when he finds out that he must use tokens on the streaming table. He did not do so when playing on any of the tables that were not streamed.
Why It Happened
In prior years the streaming table was open.
The only other time during this tourney said player was on the streaming table it was open.
At the beginning of the tourney Management decided the streaming table should be open.
Later, after the tourney had begun Management decided the streaming table should not be open.
This change after the tourney had started was not clearly announced by Management to all the players.
Actions Needed to Reduce the Probability of a Future Repeat on the Incident
Management needs to strive to avoid making changes in the rules/procedures after the tourney begin.
Management needs to make sure that all rules/regulations/procedures are explained in detail to the players both in written form and during the players meetings with special emphasis on any changes from prior years or any that may be controversial.
Should such changes still need to be made Management must assure that all players have been informed of such changes as soon as possible.
This in no way excuses said player for his actions. However, it does show that management actions/decisions certainly contributed to the incident.
This is a complex issue, requiring thinking beyond typical knee-jerk reaction. Which I suppose is why some people here are not getting it.
It it about the coins being put in the tables ? No
Is it about a TD calling out a player publicly ? No
But thanks for trying to obfuscate the issue in order to excuse yet another prima-donna that the game would surely not miss.
Is it about one person going full diva mode ? Yes
Is it about one person telling the TAR folks to "f*ck off" ? Yes
Is it about one person thinking if someone is making money then he is losing money ? Yes
And most importantly, is it about one person thinking he's more important than the game ? Yes
It it about the coins being put in the tables ? No
Is it about a TD calling out a player publicly ? No
But thanks for trying to obfuscate the issue in order to excuse yet another prima-donna that the game would surely not miss.
Is it about one person going full diva mode ? Yes
Is it about one person telling the TAR folks to "f*ck off" ? Yes
Is it about one person thinking if someone is making money then he is losing money ? Yes
And most importantly, is it about one person thinking he's more important than the game ? Yes
Handicapped entry fees are nothing new, once paid all players should be treated the same.
Apples and hand grenades. Their are no pro pool events in the US except for the Challenge of Champions. Every other one now running is an OPEN event. Which means bangers and the best in the world compete evenly. The positives of this are that the banger gets to play against top players and the top players get access to dead money.
Don't want to play by open event rules ? Go make a pro tour. Evidently lots of people are making tons of money off "pro" players backs so why dont the pro's just put on events and take all the money for themselves ? I know one guy who put his money where his mouth is and that is Corey Deuel when he did his tournament a few years ago. I think it only cost him about $30K or so.
I see people compare pool to other things and leave out the most basic things. It makes me wonder if they know how things work in the real world.
Maybe Stevie Moore is "on board" with Marty Herman...:thumbup:
Hmm, a pro who expects the world and wants it for free...this is a new concept. This is exactly why pool has been in the toilet for years, Stevie needs to be thankful that someone puts on events of this magnitude and allows him to do what he loves to earn a living.
Until the time comes that players realize that sponsors need more than someone with a pulse and a bad attitude to represent them, pool will continue to die a slow death. Every time I see horrible behavior, forfeits, on camera tirades and players insulting the people/companies who are willing to put up their hard earned cash to run these events I quietly hope that the well dries up and these self-righteous pool losers are forced to look for a real job.
Until the time comes that players realize that sponsors need more than someone with a pulse and a bad attitude to represent them, pool will continue to die a slow death. Every time I see horrible behavior, forfeits, on camera tirades and players insulting the people/companies who are willing to put up their hard earned cash to run these events I quietly hope that the well dries up and these self-righteous pool losers are forced to look for a real job.
Bingo...charge a greens fee if you must, but feeding coins is unprofessional in it's own right. I mean, a top tournament isn't saturday night at the local suds bucket.