I don't believe there will be a payment plan. Kind of hard to make a plan when you do not have the money! A plan would just get your hopes up and I'm affraid it will be for nothing.
USPPA Reno players, did they get paid?
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I don't believe there will be a payment plan. Kind of hard to make a plan when you do not have the money! A plan would just get your hopes up and I'm affraid it will be for nothing.
I'm afraid to, Tony is heated its all getting to him but I have not seen anything other then words for a plan. If we work @ 150 speed & Tony is working @ a 36 we need to give him 5 days on the wire to to keep a resolution going. this is a handicap thing after all.
If all get paid by June whats left for the Usppa... it will be interesting for a rebuild or regroup.
If all get paid by June whats left for the Usppa... it will be interesting for a rebuild or regroup.
Who cares whether Tony is heated or not? How about the winners? They are the victims and want their money!
Anyone can sail a ship in calm waters; but, it takes a real captain to navigate a ship in rough seas. Tony projected himself as a great promoter and certified travel/hotel planner. Although the outcome of the Reno USPPA event doesn't show such, things happen beyond our control and sometimes even the best sometimes get into situations they would have preferred not to. How we deal with our problems tells more about who we are as a person and what we stand for as an individual.
In my opinion, even IF Tony pays everyone by June, it will be difficult for many pool players (not just USPPA members) to trust him for future events, especially with his approach in trying to solve this one. I wish the best for the USPPA, but feel its only chance for survival is to somehow disconnect itself from Tony. At least 2 highly respected individuals have contacted me asking that I let Ambar Stary (Gene's Widow) know they are interested in taking over the USPPA. Its a great system and many don't want to see it fall apart like this. I sent this info to Ambar and have not received a response. I would be open to merging the WorldPPA with the USPPA without Tony. Whoever is in charge must be accountable to a Governing Board and have clear written goals and time-lines published for all to see. No more bullshit allowed.
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Tony is heated because its all catching up on him if you push harder now as a team you might get results time to turn it some more. Thats how a barking dog get's fed...
But if it's not in writing it not worth squat. You all need a payment plan in writing no verbal crap..Start calling demand it signed in ink until paid posting on this or his webpage wont get results unless you call, walk, drive and step up to him will you get it in writing and get paid faster. garnishment better then no payment slow but steady..
But if it's not in writing it not worth squat. You all need a payment plan in writing no verbal crap..Start calling demand it signed in ink until paid posting on this or his webpage wont get results unless you call, walk, drive and step up to him will you get it in writing and get paid faster. garnishment better then no payment slow but steady..
kybill9
Banned
Small claims court requires that you send a letter of demand before going to court. Of course, it will have to be sent to the owner of the USPPA or the Peppermill and not to any employees. The USPPA is dead. Leave it that way and start a tournament that doesnt allow players to play below their speed or gap the system with safes all year just to cash in the big tournaments. Do I have to name names? Bob, Are you having the bank tournament today at CBs? Or is the inaugural Super Bowl Sunday? Is there life after the DCC?
You sound like you have put in enough thought about what can go wrong in running a tournament. Would you ever consider starting a tournament?
I found this..
Is this something someone looking for? Jeff have you heard from Tony A. yet?
Is this something someone looking for? Jeff have you heard from Tony A. yet?
Kenny, Yes, please save that for us. We will need a copy of that. Thanks for sharing it on this forum. I will be contacting you soon to talk about what is going on with all the players getting together.
kybill9
Banned
When I was in Indiana I spoke to many of the players about coming out to California to play in an extended tournament like the DCC. Each one was very excited to do just that, including Jennette, Brumbach, Sylver, Frost and others. Until I can be functional on a daily basis, nothing like that can happen for me.
Given the state this took place in, the pamphlet above and how directly the event is associated with the Peppermill Reno, and the fact it was a "gaming" style of event with a buy-in and prize pool I would think that the Peppermill would very much NOT like a group of people sending the information of what took place to the Nevada State Gaming Control Board.
This was a gaming event, it was partly sponsered by, and took place in a casino with a gaming license. Gaming licenses are VERY strict and have extremely precise regulations in the State of Nevada. If a large group of people were to send complaints into the Nevada State Gaming Control Board
http://gaming.nv.gov/
And the Peppermill were even threatened with an investigation over the matter I am guessing the pressure Tony would suddenly be receiving would be a little more serious and he would be paying up. Or the Peppermill would to make the matter go away. One thing is for certain, if this WAS to take place Tony's name would be on the books in Nevada and it is doubtful any casino in the whole state, and possibly the entire country would do any business with him whatsoever.
I am not owed money, but I am pretty sure a gaming event like this with a buy-in, a prize pool, and taking place within a well known Reno casino with a gaming license from the State of Nevada has certain regulations and guidelines that must be followed, and guarenteeing winnings are properly paid out in a gaming related event would be right up there.
Put the pressure there. if they take the matter seriously it will in turn put very unwanted pressure on the Peppermill, and Tony will suddenly be getting a whole different kind of pressure that will likely get that "slow to react or care" attitude adjusted.
The gaming control board is NOT going to take kindly to an event in a licensed Nevada casino not paying off thousands of dollars owed to dozens of patrons of an event held within, and sponsered by the casino.
This was a gaming event, it was partly sponsered by, and took place in a casino with a gaming license. Gaming licenses are VERY strict and have extremely precise regulations in the State of Nevada. If a large group of people were to send complaints into the Nevada State Gaming Control Board
http://gaming.nv.gov/
And the Peppermill were even threatened with an investigation over the matter I am guessing the pressure Tony would suddenly be receiving would be a little more serious and he would be paying up. Or the Peppermill would to make the matter go away. One thing is for certain, if this WAS to take place Tony's name would be on the books in Nevada and it is doubtful any casino in the whole state, and possibly the entire country would do any business with him whatsoever.
I am not owed money, but I am pretty sure a gaming event like this with a buy-in, a prize pool, and taking place within a well known Reno casino with a gaming license from the State of Nevada has certain regulations and guidelines that must be followed, and guarenteeing winnings are properly paid out in a gaming related event would be right up there.
Put the pressure there. if they take the matter seriously it will in turn put very unwanted pressure on the Peppermill, and Tony will suddenly be getting a whole different kind of pressure that will likely get that "slow to react or care" attitude adjusted.
The gaming control board is NOT going to take kindly to an event in a licensed Nevada casino not paying off thousands of dollars owed to dozens of patrons of an event held within, and sponsered by the casino.
You make a very good point! The Nevada Gaming Commission is heavily regulated ( http://www.gaming.nv.gov/stats_regs/all_regs.pdf)
The last thing the Peppermill wants is someone opening the door up for an investigation/audit. Up to now they have taken the position they only provided space and nothing more, But, by including all qualified USPPA players that signed up with a free entry into the Hold-em Poker event, its looks like a casino related activity. You are right, if they were tagged in some way they would most definitely put way more heat on Tony.
Reno USPPA and (non) payouts
Although I understand what Celtic is saying, I don't completely agree. Tony is the guilty party here - not the Peppermill. If you get the Gaming Commission involved, it is going to make it that much harder for any other promoter to have an event in Nevada. The casino world is a small world.
This is one more reason why people who do as Tony did just messes up the world of pool. The casino had posted that this was not their event - and to try and twist their arm through the gaming commission could back fire on all of us.
I strongly suggest filing a complaint with the AG or DA office. I would also talk to the proper people at the Peppermill, although if Tony still owes them money or other problems - they will probably not discuss.
The Peppermill did have the inclination to get involved with pool - and although Tony has really screwed it up - it would be nice to still have them as a possible venue for a future pool event.
Just my thoughts. I still think the owner of the USPPA needs to speak up. This whole thing really stinks of mismanagement from the top down.
Mark Griffin
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Although I understand what Celtic is saying, I don't completely agree. Tony is the guilty party here - not the Peppermill. If you get the Gaming Commission involved, it is going to make it that much harder for any other promoter to have an event in Nevada. The casino world is a small world.
This is one more reason why people who do as Tony did just messes up the world of pool. The casino had posted that this was not their event - and to try and twist their arm through the gaming commission could back fire on all of us.
I strongly suggest filing a complaint with the AG or DA office. I would also talk to the proper people at the Peppermill, although if Tony still owes them money or other problems - they will probably not discuss.
The Peppermill did have the inclination to get involved with pool - and although Tony has really screwed it up - it would be nice to still have them as a possible venue for a future pool event.
Just my thoughts. I still think the owner of the USPPA needs to speak up. This whole thing really stinks of mismanagement from the top down.
Mark Griffin
kybill9
Banned
Going to the Gaming Commision would be an area of last result. Is there anyone who thinks Tony has the money and is just refusing to pay? I doubt Tony has any money, that's the problem. I have known Tony for a long time and this is not what he wanted. If he has no money, who does? Who owns the USPPA? Corporate ownership is on the web. California Government Sites.
Threatening the Peppermill will require someone who is familar with the Gaming rules. Thats legal. If anyone wants to go legal, go to the DAs office in Reno and they will tell you whether it is criminal or civil. If it's criminal. They will investigate and if necessary proscecute. You have to remeber this is small stuff in the crime world. Pressure is the name of the game right now and a spokesperson who was involved needs to step up for the victims. Carl has an excellent resource with his job, they surely would know a course of action. And free drinks for all at his work!!!
Threatening the Peppermill will require someone who is familar with the Gaming rules. Thats legal. If anyone wants to go legal, go to the DAs office in Reno and they will tell you whether it is criminal or civil. If it's criminal. They will investigate and if necessary proscecute. You have to remeber this is small stuff in the crime world. Pressure is the name of the game right now and a spokesperson who was involved needs to step up for the victims. Carl has an excellent resource with his job, they surely would know a course of action. And free drinks for all at his work!!!
If you are the only creditor or the USPPA doesn't owe anyone else money and they have anything worth selling the money will go to the players. If the USPPA is in debt to non-winning players like hotels or casinos, etc,. there will be some distribution based on legal opinion of who gets want.
Cases that are quick and easy to argue are a favorite in the court system.
If you make them go bankrupt would that upset anyone?
It seems like if you did run a tournament you would be good at determining checks and paper controls for players and organizers to follow to minimize the delay of payout and ensure payout money is available.
Like a charity event focused on the mechanics of tournament operation. I suggest charity because financing prize money may prove challenging. The players can all have their say and bounce ideas around for fun and share stories about past hustles and how to prevent them.
A players event for protecting against what happen at Reno.
Being functional is a matter of getting the ideas on page.
Unless you are linearly functional in which case you take ideas and turn them into emotions.
Are you bi-linearly functional?
(Im working on some math jokes.)
The idea of you running a tournament geared toward informing players about what can go wrong. Imagine getting the pros to play the role of evil organizer and having some play the role of owed money table renter. You can run through all the prime examples of bad deals and working while in debt.
The purpose of the event is to poke fun at the evil elements in the organized tournament community at the same time put people in that role of finding ways to hold off people and finding ways to motivate people to pay on time.
You can act out all the things that can wrong like negotiations for renting tables, negotiations for equipment to broadcast, pre-advertising for luring players to participate, it would me an introspective look at the professional pool scene. Maybe even have players sign up to have them fight in a demand for money while other player you have to wait for the money scene.
I don't know about the Reno specifics and those elements so I am keeping most of the details general for the purposes of being easy to imagine.
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I agree with with Mark said. In addition, even if they chose to, the Peppermill Casino could not put any pressure on Tony, other than "Pay up or you will never have another event here!"...which could be construed as no pressure at all.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
I agree someone (preferably Jeff or Carl) should contact the District Attorney's office in Reno to ask for help. If the DA feels there is enough to warrant criminal charges - the DA should take care of the rest of what needs to be done.
If the Hold-em tournament was held at the Peppermill and their dealers participated in any way; and, the USPPA players were tied into a free entry into a Hold-em tournament; AND, the pool player entry fees were used to payoff the Hold-em winners... I think Tony could be pressured more than just a "Pay up or you will never have another event here!".
I have just been told that since Annigoni crossed state lines that this is a FEDERAL issue now. I need to get ahold of Jenny Lee in Los Angeles area, does anyone have her info or email? Thanks for your response or P.M.