Vegas or Bust

Colin Colenso said:
Hi JAM,
Enjoying your road trip coverage. Hope to read a couple more before I leave on Friday morning and meet up with you guys at the meeting.

Hopefully Macguy will go on a road trip of his own in the mean time :p

For what it's worth, I played a lot of my best pool after a long drive. I speculated that it has something to do with staring at those lines on the road. Seems to get the eyes tuned in :-)

Anyway, keep having a ball and sharing your experiences. Hope I can get online when I'm there to add my 2c for the forum readers as well! And btw, don't fret too much about them cute calves, for if everyone was a vegetarian, you'd be looking at more boring corn, as no more calves would be farmed and allowed to frolic for a couple of years in the pastures :o

Colin < Ex-vegetarian (the worst kind of meat eater) lol
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Colin....just out of curiousity, how much do you think it will cost you (in American dollars) to attend this IPT event? What are you planning to do about jetlag?
 
Hmmmmmm.

macguy said:
If we can discuss this in rational impersonal terms, that answer is absolutely. There are few things tougher then playing individual (not team) professional sports. Take Tiger Woods for instance, maybe the greatest player ever to play. In reality although his edge is certainly there without perpetration for every tournament he is just another player even with all that talent.

Develop a case of the yips or a little slump and he doesn't even make the cuts. Every player out there can play and wants what you want and will, if they are serious about it. do what ever it takes to achieve their goals. If you don't share the same commitment then your chances are just that, thrown to chance, that is just not the way to do it. Regardless what the future of the IPT is, at least currently this money that is being offered is the kind of money that can be life changing, it is lottery level.

Many of these players don't have much and even the ones with jobs would be hard pressed to put together four or five hundred thousand dollars at one time in their lifetime. The possibility of maybe owning a pool room or a home and some financial independence for maybe the first time in their lives is actually with in their grasp. You don't piss away this kind of opportunity, you do what ever it takes to at least give yourself the greatest chance of success. That is what someone who cares would be telling them and that applies to every IPT player. That is just the way it is.
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Sounds like you're saying that every player should be putting their best preparation into play. Just as Tiger does, or as Phil Mickelson is now doing. Also sounds like that is exactly what Keith and Jen are doing since they know themselves better than any of us, including you. That said, you're making a great case for yourself as someone who just likes to pee on as many people as possible and then tell 'em it's raining. I really don't like that behavior.

Is there an ignore button on this forum? If I can find it, you'll make the list.

Brian in VA - Wishing Keith and Jen the best time on the way to and in Las Vegas.
 
Brian in VA said:
Sounds like you're saying that every player should be putting their best preparation into play. Just as Tiger does, or as Phil Mickelson is now doing. Also sounds like that is exactly what Keith and Jen are doing since they know themselves better than any of us, including you. That said, you're making a great case for yourself as someone who just likes to pee on as many people as possible and then tell 'em it's raining. I really don't like that behavior.

Is there an ignore button on this forum? If I can find it, you'll make the list.

Brian in VA - Wishing Keith and Jen the best time on the way to and in Las Vegas.
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I don't think you even believe what you are saying, you just don't like me.
 
macguy,
Did you ever stop to think that just maybe driving might give Keith the opportunity to mentally prepare for the event. Some people actually enjoy driving. Since much of the game is mental, this may give him the chance to relax, get his head together, and prepare himself for the battle ahead.

Just because you would prefer to fly, doesn't mean it's right for someone else. I think he has enough experience to know what will work for him. Have you won as many tournaments and matches as Keith has?
Steve
 
ScottW said:
You guys might not like it, but Macguy *does* have a point.

A tournament like this can't be compared to just tooling around on the road. There's a definite schedule to keep, and a not-insignificant chunk of change on the line - more than a road player could make in anywhere near the same amount of time. This situation does beg more precautions and preparation. Any number of minor bad things could happen to keep Keith from getting to the tournament on time, and hence, make the whole trip a wash.

Although he *is* negative a lot of the time - in this case, I think he's being pragmatic. His pitch could use a bit of work though. :P
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He has NO POINT. Jennie and Keith are halfway across the country with four days to go before the tournament starts. They will reach Vegas by Firday night and have a full day to relax. But beyond that they are TWO CAPABLE ADULTS who can make their own decisions about the best way to live their lives.

There is no ONE WAY to prepare for tournaments. Ask 20 athletes how they get ready for competition and you will get 20 answers.

John
 
I dont think there is any wrong or right. Compare it to how NFL teams prepare for things such as the Super Bowl. Some teams go out a week before media day to get acclimated, some go out as late as possible. Some NFL teams hold training camps at an out of town, remote location to get away from distractions, some hold training camps in their own cities so players are more comfortable sleeping in their own beds. In boxing, Corey Spinks has fought in St Louis twice in the past year. The first time he lost & people blamed it on the fact that he came into the ring dancing & singing with rapper Nelly. The second time he won & he stood his belief & came into the ring dancing & singing with rapper Young Joc. i could go on & on with different examples.

Who knows what reason JAM/KM had for driving? Maybe Keith is so keyed up that JAM felt it better to drive and let him chill then wait in anticipation for a specific time of a plane ride. Maybe JAM is contemplating writing a book on her IPT experience & driving to Vegas makes a better story than a 4 hour plane flight. Maybe they do have a fear of flying & terroism as she already stated. Who can blame them for that?

Macguy, you can continue to try to sound as if you really care & are trying to make a valid point. But I think it just comes down to the fact that you enjoy getting under the skin of JAM. I have had my differences with JAM in the past but do so on a case by case situation. That is something she fails to understand, but that is for another thread/day to discuss. In this case, there is no way you can sit there & say JAM/KM are wrong & you are right.
 
macguy said:
If we can discuss this in rational impersonal terms, that answer is absolutely. There are few things tougher then playing individual (not team) professional sports. Take Tiger Woods for instance, maybe the greatest player ever to play. In reality although his edge is certainly there without perpetration for every tournament he is just another player even with all that talent.

Develop a case of the yips or a little slump and he doesn't even make the cuts. Every player out there can play and wants what you want and will, if they are serious about it. do what ever it takes to achieve their goals. If you don't share the same commitment then your chances are just that, thrown to chance, that is just not the way to do it. Regardless what the future of the IPT is, at least currently this money that is being offered is the kind of money that can be life changing, it is lottery level.

Many of these players don't have much and even the ones with jobs would be hard pressed to put together four or five hundred thousand dollars at one time in their lifetime. The possibility of maybe owning a pool room or a home and some financial independence for maybe the first time in their lives is actually with in their grasp. You don't piss away this kind of opportunity, you do what ever it takes to at least give yourself the greatest chance of success. That is what someone who cares would be telling them and that applies to every IPT player. That is just the way it is.
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Your idea of what someone needs to do may not work for them. That's where you are wrong in your theory and your approach. It's okay to voice your opinion, but to tell Jennie and Keith they are making a mistake is just discourtesous.

You can bet your ass that Keith and Jennie know what is at stake here. They have invested more into professional pool than you could in a doazen lifetimes. Just because you owned a poolroom gives you no special insight into the life of a vetran road player.

For your information, there are many pool players out there who have managed to purchase pool rooms and homes and other ventures. Just because you want to perpetrate the stereotype rather than accenting the positive doesn't mean we have to follow suit. Sure, we all know the world beaters who have nothing to show for thier talent except memories of great battles. Some of us know world beaters who have been able to build a solid life from the proceeds of their talent, putting kids through school, maintaining homes and so on. These players didn't need your advice and neither do Jennie and Keith.

John
 
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Can't we all just get along? :/
 
Don't mean to nit pick

onepocketchump said:
He has NO POINT. Jennie and Keith are halfway across the country with four days to go before the tournament starts. They will reach Vegas by Firday night and have a full day to relax. But beyond that they are TWO CAPABLE ADULTS who can make their own decisions about the best way to live their lives.

There is no ONE WAY to prepare for tournaments. Ask 20 athletes how they get ready for competition and you will get 20 answers.

John
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But if you read Jam's posts you would see they will be there tonight not Friday. So make it 4 days to practice and relax. When it comes to Vegas you probably would rather get there later than earlier considering all the temptations. And Keith is known for gambling.
Good luck to them.
 
watchez said:
I dont think there is any wrong or right. Compare it to how NFL teams prepare for things such as the Super Bowl. Some teams go out a week before media day to get acclimated, some go out as late as possible. Some NFL teams hold training camps at an out of town, remote location to get away from distractions, some hold training camps in their own cities so players are more comfortable sleeping in their own beds. In boxing, Corey Spinks has fought in St Louis twice in the past year. The first time he lost & people blamed it on the fact that he came into the ring dancing & singing with rapper Nelly. The second time he won & he stood his belief & came into the ring dancing & singing with rapper Young Joc. i could go on & on with different examples.

Who knows what reason JAM/KM had for driving? Maybe Keith is so keyed up that JAM felt it better to drive and let him chill then wait in anticipation for a specific time of a plane ride. Maybe JAM is contemplating writing a book on her IPT experience & driving to Vegas makes a better story than a 4 hour plane flight. Maybe they do have a fear of flying & terroism as she already stated. Who can blame them for that?

Macguy, you can continue to try to sound as if you really care & are trying to make a valid point. But I think it just comes down to the fact that you enjoy getting under the skin of JAM. I have had my differences with JAM in the past but do so on a case by case situation. That is something she fails to understand, but that is for another thread/day to discuss. In this case, there is no way you can sit there & say JAM/KM are wrong & you are right.
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Well put Watchez.

JAM,

Keep the updates coming, they are very much appreciated and wish Keith good luck from me.
 
I think we have everyone's opinion.

Please don't ruin her thread and create a reason for me to upset people.
 
Sorry ...

I didn't mean to cause a ruckus with my flying comparison for cost. I just though it was an awfully long way, and I usually have to take the cheapest way when I go to a tournaement. If this works for Jenny and Keith, that's what they should do. Getting your mind right for the tournament is most of the battle, and hitting some balls doesn't hurt any either.

I really enjoy your posts about your trip Jenny, and hope you write a book, maybe later on, about Keith and your experiences, and with the IPT too.

Good luck to Keith, and just have some fun ...
 
nfty9er said:
But if you read Jam's posts you would see they will be there tonight not Friday. So make it 4 days to practice and relax. When it comes to Vegas you probably would rather get there later than earlier considering all the temptations. And Keith is known for gambling.
Good luck to them.
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I was giving them a day's margin :-) Having made that drive several times myself.

John
 
Mr. Wilson said:
I think we have everyone's opinion.

Please don't ruin her thread and create a reason for me to upset people.
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Then you should have stepped in when MacGuy stepped over the line. The great thread that Jennie started got ruined when he did what he did. In some of the moderated forums I participate in that's where the moderator would have shut down the negativity.

John
 
onepocketchump said:
Then you should have stepped in when MacGuy stepped over the line. The great thread that Jennie started got ruined when he did what he did. In some of the moderated forums I participate in that's where the moderator would have shut down the negativity.
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What happens on those forums when users start telling the moderators how to do their job?

:D
 
ScottW said:
What happens on those forums when users start telling the moderators how to do their job?

:D
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Ohh, ohhh!! I know!!! I know!!!

You can test my mood for cheap shots just a little more.

Any wagers on how much patience for them I have left?

Go ahead John, macguy..etc.
 
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Mr. Wilson said:
Ohh, ohhh!! I know!!! I know!!!

You can test my mood for cheap shots just a little more.

Any wagers on how much patience for them I have left?

Go ahead John.
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FWIW...I think John is right. Everything was fine in this thread til MacGuy butted in with his unwelcome opinions. John was being supportive of JAM and if anyone needs a warning..it's MacGuy. Sorry about punctuation. I am in an airport on my Treo & I can't find the comma!
 
watchez said:
Colin....just out of curiousity, how much do you think it will cost you (in American dollars) to attend this IPT event? What are you planning to do about jetlag?
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It will cost me about US$2,000 cash. That doesn't include the opportunity costs of forgoing work, hundreds of hours of practice, buying a table, renting a larger apartment etc.

But heck, wouldn't change it for the world.:D

Colin
 
Colin Colenso said:
It will cost me about US$2,000 cash. That doesn't include the opportunity costs of forgoing work, hundreds of hours of practice, buying a table, renting a larger apartment etc.

But heck, wouldn't change it for the world.:D


Colin
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hi colin,
I wish u the best in the tournament.If it is the first time in USA I hope u will enjoy the visit.
It appears to me that u wear fine thread.I will suggest you to go to a store called -define-located in Bellagio.you will find fabulous cloths by top italian designers like Brioni,genelli and fabulous neck ties by Pancaldi and the neck tie costs u 400$ a piece.There are some beautifull low budget shirts for 175$.You got to check them out and u will not regret spending that much money.cheers:cool:
 
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