Video of "The Shot" on The Action Report

If anyone, after seeing this, still thinks Shane should have taken the shot knows absolutely nothing about pool. Thanks again for all you guys have done, JCIN. You guys are the NUTS.......
 

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td873 said:
As I understand it, this is exactly the rule that we are discussing that caused so much ruccus -> the pass BACK instead of pass FORWARD.

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I don't like the pass forward - because it completely skips the player who has a choice.

The pass back allows a player to NOT be the victim of safety play whether intentional or not. The shoot at every shot you can see rule eliminates the type of situation that came up in Olathe where a player can use the rules to have two people in between a player. In essence that is what Jamie is complaining about. That Shane used the rules to put two players between Dennis' next shot.

Shane did what he was supposed to do. However I like the rule that says you must shoot at a ball if you can see it. I like it because I think ring games should be aggressive run out challenges and there shouldn't be ANY reason to to be passive. So the only passing I like is to pass the shot back in the event of a hooked ball. Let the player who did the hooking kick his way out of it.
 
Here is one with lines laid on the diamonds and the points of the side pockets.

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I would say that McNugget needs to get the cueball back inside the first diamond as Mike did. Jay, I would have a quadrant on the table that he needs to land the cueball inside of. Kinda like Rempe pool game.

Also, if McNugget hits the 1 into the 2 on the shot, then I say he should pay double.

I am sure that McNugget has already begun practicing this shot.
 
hemicudas said:
If anyone, after seeing this, still thinks Shane should have taken the shot knows absolutely nothing about pool. Thanks again for all you guys have done, JCIN. You guys are the NUTS.......
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This was a close call but I think Shane should have taken the shot. I hate the idea of giving a player as strong as Mike a remote chance of getting out. Still, this doesn't mean there was any colluion at all. In fact, I'm sure there wasn't. And furthermore, I don't blame Shane for passing it up either since the runout was not a given. My conclusion is that there was no shady move here.

So there you have it, hemi. Now we all know that I know "absolutely nothing about pool".
 
8ballEinstein said:
This was a close call but I think Shane should have taken the shot. I hate the idea of giving a player as strong as Mike a remote chance of getting out. Still, this doesn't mean there was any colluion at all. In fact, I'm sure there wasn't. And furthermore, I don't blame Shane for passing it up either since the runout was not a given. My conclusion is that there was no shady move here.

So there you have it, hemi. Now we all know that I know "absolutely nothing about pool".
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The whole point of this is that IF Mike gets out then Dennis is out and Mike and Shane are in the finals. IF Mike misses then Shane gets a shot at putting Dennis out. So effectively Shane elected to put two players between Dennis getting another chance. In this position it was a super smart move. It would have been the right move anyway because even IF Mike gets out then Shane is going to be back at the table before Dennis. But if Shane had taken the shot and NOT gotten out then there would be two players and possibly lots of racks before his next shot.

As pool players we ALWAYS talk about playing smart and playing the percentages. In this case Shane McMinn showed us a professional decision and chose to take a higher percentage route to the finals rather than a LOW percentage shot at winning one more game.

Like Grady often says - don't shoot a shot that you can lose on - and this was JUST that kind of shot. It was a shot AND an out that was difficult to navigate and gave Shane ONE shot at putting Dennis out whereas giving it back to Banks gave Shane two shots at putting Dennis out.
 
I bet McWort's arms are tightening up just thinking about taking this bet. Wait till there is $5,000+ riding on it. Can we get the ActionReport to UStream this action?

It's fun talking about this and all but what are the odds that this will ever come off. Only thing I've ever heard this guy bet was on a bet that a 19 year old kid would not win against a field of champions. You've got a lot of heart kid.

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After all the hoopla about "the shot". I expected to see a much easier shot than what I saw. With that shot and that situation I probably would have passed also. Thanks for the video.
 
John Barton said:
The whole point of this is that IF Mike gets out then Dennis is out and Mike and Shane are in the finals. IF Mike misses then Shane gets a shot at putting Dennis out. So effectively Shane elected to put two players between Dennis getting another chance. In this position it was a super smart move. It would have been the right move anyway because even IF Mike gets out then Shane is going to be back at the table before Dennis. But if Shane had taken the shot and NOT gotten out then there would be two players and possibly lots of racks before his next shot.

As pool players we ALWAYS talk about playing smart and playing the percentages. In this case Shane McMinn showed us a professional decision and chose to take a higher percentage route to the finals rather than a LOW percentage shot at winning one more game.

Like Grady often says - don't shoot a shot that you can lose on - and this was JUST that kind of shot. It was a shot AND an out that was difficult to navigate and gave Shane ONE shot at putting Dennis out whereas giving it back to Banks gave Shane two shots at putting Dennis out.
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Completely understand your analysis, John. This would mean that the main point of the pass was to have a better chance to take Dennis out. This is what stirred up the contoversy. Shane passes on a makable shot, Mike makes it and gets shape, Dennis sees he's toast and unscrews his cue. Nothing shady about this but I can understand if Dennis feels he was ganged up on.
 
JamieMcWhorter said:
If Dennis Wasnt On His Last Barrel That Shot Would Have Never Been Passed........simple As That

Jay Its On...just Figure Out Your Rules Where Does My Cue Ball Need To End Up...and Is There A Table At Hard Times With Similar Conditions...valley With Simonis And Good Balls?

Your Not Gonna Backout Once You Find Out I Can Play Right???????????????????????
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Set up the balls the same way, including the two. If you make the one and get position on the two and make it the same corner pocket that Mike made it, you got position by default.

If that is the bet, for 9 out of 10, I can try $5 - $10K too.
 
jay helfert said:
Cmon down and bring money. I don't care how good you play. If you win, you WILL get paid! We'll post up all the money. We can duplicate the shot almost exactly. All you have to do is make the One Ball nine times out of ten and get as good or better position than Shane did on the same shot.

That isn't too complicated to figure out if you make a good shot or not. We will make chalk marks on the table to make sure all the balls go back to the same place each time. I'm waiting for you with bags of money. You don't even need Corey to win this money.

If you do it once, I may bet you again. You must bet a minimum of $5,000 though. This way you can do it twice for 10K. Less than that and I'll pass. I'm down to my last two mil, so that is all I can lose.

I said Shane above. I meant Mike, he was the one shooting, not Shane.
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To ensure that he gets position on the two, I think he has to make it. Therefore, you don't have to worry about "inches" as to whether he got good position or not. Therefore, my bet would be, that he makes the one, and then make the two in the same corner pocket that Mike made it.

I said in my last post that I would bet $5 - $10K. If this is set up on a weekend, I will fly to LA (or anywhere) to watch and bet.
 
8ballEinstein said:
Completely understand your analysis, John. This would mean that the main point of the pass was to have a better chance to take Dennis out. This is what stirred up the contoversy. Shane passes on a makable shot, Mike makes it and gets shape, Dennis sees he's toast and unscrews his cue. Nothing shady about this but I can understand if Dennis feels he was ganged up on.
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Dennis might feel that way but I doubt that there was any collusion at all. I think it was a split second decision by Shane that was based on his extensive experience as a player and gambler. Still though if I were Dennis then I would have stuck it out and see what happens - ring games are funny that way.

As Rafael Martinez once told me, when he is stuck in the chair all he is waiting for is a shot because that's all it takes for him to get back in the game - one good shot.
 
jay helfert said:
I only have one other thing to say to McWoofWoof. POST!
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As long as the above conditions are met (make the 1 and 2), I am in, unless you want all the action for yourself.
 
John Barton said:
Dennis might feel that way but I doubt that there was any collusion at all. I think it was a split second decision by Shane that was based on his extensive experience as a player and gambler. Still though if I were Dennis then I would have stuck it out and see what happens - ring games are funny that way.

As Rafael Martinez once told me, when he is stuck in the chair all he is waiting for is a shot because that's all it takes for him to get back in the game - one good shot.
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Agree that it was a split second decision by Shane. But instead of finding a way to take Dennis out, I think he was mostly thinking that Mike was going to have a difficult time with the runout. No collusion at all.
 
Chip count

Maybe you should check the chip count,about an hour or so before that shot youll see D.O. had the chip lead,he got out played,and when he did have his chance at the end he hooked himself on his own mistake.check the tape,when he had 27000 at that point,im thinking will it be Banks,Mcminn,Waldan to play him in the final.
 
JDB said:
As long as the above conditions are met (make the 1 and 2), I am in, unless you want all the action for yourself.
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He doesn't have to make the two, just get the same or better position. I can handle whatever he wants to bet. You can make a side bet if you like.
 
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