VNEA Tourney in Vegas has Greens fees

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satman

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That's right, NO dollar coins this year. The VNEA website has an announcement that they will have Greens fees this year to eliminate the need for coins and the change machines. I am assuming the tables will be open for free play at all times, but not sure.
My team is playing in the Intermediate Division, and the Entry Fee is $300 plus a $175 Green fee.
Masters is listed at $500 entry plus $200 Green fee.
All Singles events are $35 each for the Green fee's

Any thoughts on this??????
 
That sounds a bit excessive priceing to me. I guess if the tables were open 24/7 including the practice tables & mini tourneys depending on what you are intending playing it MIGHT even out with the coins. But if I was playing VNEA I would take a serious look at whether I even wanted to go & pay that cost to play.
 
Sounds like the VNEA is having cash flow problems and wants their money - and excessive money - up front.
 
When I was at the 2008 VNEA Nationals last year (played both 8 & 9 ball singles and 8-ball team events). I saw one of the coin machines taken out of service (creating a back up of people at the other machine!). I was told that someone was getting game tokens out of the machine without putting (real) $$$ into the machine. Apparently VNEA doesn't want that to happen again, ie., greens fees!
 
watchez...There's already another thread about this. For the record, the VNEA has nothing to do with the tables. They are provided by a private individual (Gary Benson, High Country Promotions, Ft. Collins CO). Gary has been a VNEA board member, but he is hired by the VNEA as tournament director, and also provides all the pool tables (at a healthy profit).

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

watchez said:
Sounds like the VNEA is having cash flow problems and wants their money - and excessive money - up front.
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WOW...$35 greens fee for singles. If it's a race to 5, you'd have to play 7 matches just to get even. Not too promising for those unfortunates that don't get that far.

I'd just as soon pay by the game.

L8R...Ken
 
Scott Lee said:
watchez...There's already another thread about this. For the record, the VNEA has nothing to do with the tables. They are provided by a private individual (Gary Benson, High Country Promotions, Ft. Collins CO). Gary has been a VNEA board member, but he is hired by the VNEA as tournament director, and also provides all the pool tables (at a healthy profit).

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Thanks Scott - I missed that thread.

Sounds like I am glad that I don't play the VNEA league. One person having so much financial interest outside the general lines of the league is scarey.

And I am sure that on the record the VNEA has nothing to do with the tables - but off the record would be a different story.
 
I suspect that no one would be happy with any change to the quarters/tokens/green fees sitch with a single exception, i.e. *no* quarters/tokens/green fees. :P

I can see the reasoning behind the change - no more need for bringing in the quarter/token machines (and all the maintenance issues that come with them) - no more needing to pull cash out/dump more coins in - and like someone else said above, no opportunities for someone cheating the machines and getting coins out for free.

Plus there's the benefit to the players of not having to keep going to the change machines, not having to worry about having the right bills on them to get change, not having to carry around all those coins.

I'm not arguing the AMOUNTS of the green fees here, mind you.
 
Since that includes mini tourneys, practice etc.. Not a bad deal at all. In this case, I would be fine with the greens fees. I hate the tokens anyways!
 
Inflation happened in the middle of MAY

Scott Lee said:
watchez...There's already another thread about this. For the record, the VNEA has nothing to do with the tables. They are provided by a private individual (Gary Benson, High Country Promotions, Ft. Collins CO). Gary has been a VNEA board member, but he is hired by the VNEA as tournament director, and also provides all the pool tables (at a healthy profit).

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Regarding VNEA has nothing to do with the tables:
Last year I heard it was $1.25 a game at the VNEA and $1.00 at the BCA?:confused:
 
I think thats right

rackem said:
Regarding VNEA has nothing to do with the tables:
Last year I heard it was $1.25 a game at the VNEA and $1.00 at the BCA?:confused:
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I wasn't there last year, but heard they were $1.25 a game. I heard they were having some problems with getting real dollar coins, plus people were bringing in slugs. Pool players, gotta love em' always trying to work the con.

SORRY, I didn't mean to start another thread, just logged in and posted without doing a search.
 
Well green fees makes it easier, and its nice to practice some for free.

But if you cant beat anyone it sucks.
 
I am not a big fan of greens fees anyway. But do the math. $200 divided by 5 players = $40 per man. At $1 a game, you would have to play 80 games of pool just to get even. I dont care how many minis you play it would be very hard to play 80 games in Vegas. $200 is way too much
 
Honestly - I didn't think of the point made of free practice. If that is true, then the green fees are not overly exorbant and I would not mind.
 
Everyone in the building will be taking advantage of free practice. No tables to be had. Trust me it is going to be a cluster****
 
Green fees:

Good for the player who wins a lot.
Poor for the player who goes 2 & out.

randyg
 
rackem...Yep, and DIFFERENT people providing the tables at each tournament...Valley barboxes at the VNEA (naturally), and Diamond Smart Tables at the BCAPL (duh, since Mark Griffin is an owner of Diamond).

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

rackem said:
Regarding VNEA has nothing to do with the tables:
Last year I heard it was $1.25 a game at the VNEA and $1.00 at the BCA?:confused:
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Scott Lee said:
watchez...There's already another thread about this. For the record, the VNEA has nothing to do with the tables. They are provided by a private individual (Gary Benson, High Country Promotions, Ft. Collins CO). Gary has been a VNEA board member, but he is hired by the VNEA as tournament director, and also provides all the pool tables (at a healthy profit).

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Scott, certainly you can't believe what you just wrote there.

"the VNEA has nothing to do with the tables."

yet,

"Gary has been a VNEA board member"


Try to give that story to the feds if you are ever accused of insider trading and see what happens.


I personally think that if all the pool during the whole tournament is covered after the green fees that it would be a good deal for me as I'd be playing 10+ hours a day every day.

I think if the VNEA and Gary created an honest figure based on the average sales per team last year that this is obviously a better system.
 
Watchez

watchez said:
Honestly - I didn't think of the point made of free practice. If that is true, then the green fees are not overly exorbant and I would not mind.
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That was my first comment when I heard this. Will they be open at all times for practice? I also heard that if you play in a Mini, they will charge a green fee for that too. Don't know how much. I usually don't go down and practice like I should before all the events start, but might if the tables were open. At DCC, I go and play 3 or 4 hours if I get the chance, every day I'm there. But if I gotta stick a $1 in the table, it adds up fast. I can probably run off that $35 green fee, playing by myself, in less than 2 hours easily.
 
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