I like Lou's crystal ball. (Although I wouldn't "like it" if his prediction came true -- I think I'd scream at the insanity of it.)
-Sean
Vote for 14.1 Hall of Fame
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I like Lou's crystal ball. (Although I wouldn't "like it" if his prediction came true -- I think I'd scream at the insanity of it.)
-Sean
I wonder if DP realizes how stupid they look with this 14.1 HOF gig. Not only are they selecting "fliers" who have no business being on a voting ballot, their voting method in general is a joke.
It's embarrassing. I don't think a promotions company like DP should have ANY role in the determination of HOF inductees.
It's like THEY created the 14.1 HOF because "they called it" (remember that one??) and they select who basically is chosen and gets in on made-up bs.
Sorry--- it's retarded----- if the hard-core 14.1 fans won't buy it--- who is left to buy it since that's all there is? Nobody is going to pay attention to ANY 14.1 HOF list/vote/inductee because it's as big a farce as Sascha's 100 ball run on video.
It's embarrassing. I don't think a promotions company like DP should have ANY role in the determination of HOF inductees.
It's like THEY created the 14.1 HOF because "they called it" (remember that one??) and they select who basically is chosen and gets in on made-up bs.
Sorry--- it's retarded----- if the hard-core 14.1 fans won't buy it--- who is left to buy it since that's all there is? Nobody is going to pay attention to ANY 14.1 HOF list/vote/inductee because it's as big a farce as Sascha's 100 ball run on video.
Good post, which gave me a thought. Onepocket.org has a 1 Hole HoF. How about if we here in the 14.1 forum of AZBilliards start and AZB Straight Pool Hall of Fame? I'm pretty sure we could work out the mechanics of nominating and voting. Maybe figure out some way to hold an annual induction dinner at the DCC or something in conjunction with the straight pool challenge.
I understand the BCA already has a HoF, but as long as there is going to be this other thing out there, then maybe we should have one that is at least legitimate.
You know what surprises me the most? The very loud silence on what is clearly some highly questionable actions on the part of DP from some of the regulars on this particular forum. It is called "selling out" I believe.
Lou Figueroa
I agree, Dave. But perhaps it's only we fanatics who (1) recognize how poorly this whole thing has been done by DP and (2) care.
A year ago I called it self-aggrandizement by DP. I haven't changed my mind.
Somehow I fear yet another 14.1 HOF isn't the right answer either.
You're probably right. :wink:
Yes, there is. In 2011, the deserving inductees were Ralf Souquet and Dan DiLiberto.
I agree whole heartedly. Dallas West is a perfect gentleman and a great player. I remember reading he played in every 14.1 World Championship.
That is, the 14.1 World Championship as it was before Charlie Williams hijacked its history and reputation and made a mockery of the game with this "Hall of Fame" farce.
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I think I'm coming around a bit to the position that it's OK to have another entity than the BCA honoring 14.1. The BCA only honors a couple of people a year now, so many of the greats and near-greats of 14.1 will never find their way into the BCA HOF.
But it grates me how poorly this whole thing has been done now for two years by DP. They evidently did not give it enough thought -- by people who are qualified to think properly about it. I wish they had consulted people like Bob Jewett, George Fels, and Stu Matana and then designed and published a plan for how this whole thing will work -- what are the criteria for nomination, who will nominate candidates, how many will be nominated per year, what are the categories for nomination, how many will be elected per year, who will vote, and on and on.
The overlap with the BCA HOF is unsettling. Do we really need to honor people twice for the same thing? One possible way around that would be for DP to automatically place in its HOF all of those people who are in the BCA HOF because of their 14.1 achievements. Just do it en masse -- no nominations, no voting. Read their names at the next induction ceremony, but don't let Charlie go on for 30 minutes about each of them. Then, for the future, DP could focus more on all the other great figures in the history (and present) of 14.1. And it could be more than one deceased person and one living person per year.
With a good plan and process, I think I could enjoy having a 14.1 HOF.
Thoughts?
This is a great idea. I just hope some one from DP is reading this.
Thanka, Rich.
From the announcement in today's AzB Headlines: "World Champions from 1912 on through the earlier decades of 14.1 history will also be included and recognized as a group."
Did they see my recommendation and adopt it? Or did they think of it independently? But I'd go beyond just the past world champions, to include all those in the BCA HOF as a result of their 14.1 accomplishments.
This is very good news indeed. As there have always been disagreements over what the true world championships events were, I'd hope that all winners of a) a world 14.1 championship, b) a US Open 14.1 event, or c) a Johnston City 14.1 title will be recognized.
Of course, now we'll have to start campaigning for the induction of Jim Rempe, who lost the 1974 world championship to Joe Balsis by one ball, but remains a living legend of 14.1.
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I just saw that Danny was inducted over Oliver, but Oliver was a 3-1 favorite in the voting statistics.
If you're inducting solely off of 14.1 record, Oliver should have got this. Doesn't mean I don't HIGHLY respect Danny (and I think he's a done a ton for the sport), but Oliver is the finer of the two in 14.1 pedigree.
Sorry for pissing on everyone's cheerios, but I'm still struggling to figure out how candidates are selected and how they're inducted and who is auditing votes? If Oliver was 3-1 favorite here statistically (by the most knowledgeable crowd), that means Danny pulled in the Facebook votes?? Or, didn't he... and DP pushed him through anyways?
I'm not knocking Danny or anything -- I'm merely knocking DP's process. Sorry.
If you're inducting solely off of 14.1 record, Oliver should have got this. Doesn't mean I don't HIGHLY respect Danny (and I think he's a done a ton for the sport), but Oliver is the finer of the two in 14.1 pedigree.
Sorry for pissing on everyone's cheerios, but I'm still struggling to figure out how candidates are selected and how they're inducted and who is auditing votes? If Oliver was 3-1 favorite here statistically (by the most knowledgeable crowd), that means Danny pulled in the Facebook votes?? Or, didn't he... and DP pushed him through anyways?
I'm not knocking Danny or anything -- I'm merely knocking DP's process. Sorry.
Sounds like they had a complete change in thought about something they and their sponsors were totally content with.
I'm sure they came up with it on their own and it had nothing to do with the feedback they got here in their own thread. Certainly had they taken to heart our comments and changed their minds, they would have posted here admitting their oversight and thanking us for our input.
Nope, this was all their idea and they should get all the credit. :wink:
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