Vote For Best 8 Ball Format as a True Test
- Thread starter Bigtruck
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Race to 80
If you get stuck there is no one to save you
Like being able to start a new set
Two Out of Three/Lenght TBD
Bar table eight ball has the perfect amount of congestion and traffic. At a high level of play, eight ball on a nine footer with BIH is boring. All scratches should be shot from the kitchen and on the break shot if you make a stripe you must shoot stripes and vise versa. One should never be able to pocket a ball and call safe. If ya make a ball from both ball groups open table. Many rule changes were due to Coinage and speeding up LEAGUE play. Eight on the break should also be in play, as it is with rotation games. With this format one should also have winner break.
Current eight ball rules that are intended to speed up play are league designed and good for their business model, but in real eight ball competition, rules should not of evolved to where they are at. Thank god leagues haven't got ahold of one pocket and changed that.
Imagine if 14.1 came back into the mainstream, and someone incorporated BIH to speed it up, that would ruin the game.
Reminds me when the Original Fudge sickle ice cream bar was prevalant, which was a perfectly frozen, munch able ice cream/ice bar that changed. Now its gone, no one liked it. Someone wanted it Creamier, but society didn't. Why they didn't go back, who the Frick knows.
Bar table eight ball has the perfect amount of congestion and traffic. At a high level of play, eight ball on a nine footer with BIH is boring. All scratches should be shot from the kitchen and on the break shot if you make a stripe you must shoot stripes and vise versa. One should never be able to pocket a ball and call safe. If ya make a ball from both ball groups open table. Many rule changes were due to Coinage and speeding up LEAGUE play. Eight on the break should also be in play, as it is with rotation games. With this format one should also have winner break.
Current eight ball rules that are intended to speed up play are league designed and good for their business model, but in real eight ball competition, rules should not of evolved to where they are at. Thank god leagues haven't got ahold of one pocket and changed that.
Imagine if 14.1 came back into the mainstream, and someone incorporated BIH to speed it up, that would ruin the game.
Reminds me when the Original Fudge sickle ice cream bar was prevalant, which was a perfectly frozen, munch able ice cream/ice bar that changed. Now its gone, no one liked it. Someone wanted it Creamier, but society didn't. Why they didn't go back, who the Frick knows.
I yhink the modern rules are funny and border ridiculous.
Some of these races should be sponsored by Adderall
M.Tpockets
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I voted for the race to 80. I also think the best out of 9 races to 15 would be good as well .
Eight ball is NOT supposed to be a run out game. One pocket is Not a run out game. Straight pool is a ''run the table'' game, but if ya only get 149-0 and your opponent is at the table, you may lose. Rotation games and alternate breaks are realistic and work. Bank pool was ALWAYS played by banking a ball and calling the pocket, but NEVER allowing kisses/combinations or air shots to count as a Bank. Changing the root of these games is dangerous to the disciplines.
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I get what you are saying, but if that's the case, it isn't much of a test for a player that gets out to a substantial lead. Any of these is a test of something, so it just depends what you're going for. I think a series of short sets would be more interesting to watch and would still be a good indicator of the better player.
Were you asking for a true test? or most fun & exciting format for your viewers?
Usually those are 2 different (sometimes totally opposite) things.
Race to 80, odds of a 2% underdog winning = 31%
Race to 30, best out of 3: odds of a 2% underdog winning = 31%
Race to 15, best out of 9: odds of a 2% underdog winning = 23%
So the series of short races is 'fairest' if you define fair as the best player always wins.
Bear in mind you might have up to 100 more games in that format vs. a race to 80.
It's basically a much longer test.
The other formats give the underdog a better shot.
As Chris said, the single long race needs the most mental toughness.
I think for spectators though it can be dull.
And 3 races to 30 is nice if you are streaming for several days, one race per day.
Usually those are 2 different (sometimes totally opposite) things.
Race to 80, odds of a 2% underdog winning = 31%
Race to 30, best out of 3: odds of a 2% underdog winning = 31%
Race to 15, best out of 9: odds of a 2% underdog winning = 23%
So the series of short races is 'fairest' if you define fair as the best player always wins.
Bear in mind you might have up to 100 more games in that format vs. a race to 80.
It's basically a much longer test.
The other formats give the underdog a better shot.
As Chris said, the single long race needs the most mental toughness.
I think for spectators though it can be dull.
And 3 races to 30 is nice if you are streaming for several days, one race per day.
I voted race to 80. By true test I assume you mean a test to see who the better player is? I think in a race to 80 the better player wins. In multiple short races the weaker player can get hot and maybe win a couple sets.
I don't really think the format matters. When you're playing 100-300 games of anything, the cream is going to rise to the top. Which is the most exciting? Well, personally, I think they're all kind of boring. What makes anything exciting is when winning or losing rides on a single event. When you're playing 100-300 games, there's a reasonable chance you're not going to see such a pivotal moment. You want exciting? Play a race to 5.
I voted 'best of 9 races to 15'....
...as a spectator, far more interesting.
...as a side bettor, FAR more interesting
...as a player, no problem, it's long enough that if you get beat...you got BEAT.
One caveat....I would like it to be last-pocket.
...as a spectator, far more interesting.
...as a side bettor, FAR more interesting
...as a player, no problem, it's long enough that if you get beat...you got BEAT.
One caveat....I would like it to be last-pocket.
This.
You can lose the first 3 sets by one game and your opponent is up 3-0, rather than 45-42.
My only problem with these extremely long races is that if the players are equally skilled, then the one who has better stamina/focus for long periods will win. That doesn't mean the winner is necessarily the better player in my opinion.
All that means is you didn't play as well in hill-hill situations. Your opponent should get some credit for winning each set that went hill-hill.
Playing against high level players in a 3/5 set. If you don't make a ball on the break don't be surprised if don't get a shot in the match!
My vote would be 3 matches of 5/9. Because I can only focus real hard for a short amount of time. After that I would just be hitting balls.
If you want to combine finding the best 8B player and most exciting viewership, my vote is also in this camp.
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I like the races to 15 format. If you lose 5 sets to 15 you got beat and had opportunities throughout each set to win. It also keeps each player on their toes to know you can lose each set from any point in the match. Definitely a lot more grind and pressure in shorter races. Also believe it will be in the best interest of the viewers to watch sets that will have an end each day instead of a drawn out race.