Want to improve your pool game next weekend?

[lfigueroa]

Scott, not intending to ruffle your feathers, but I tend to agree with much of what Lou and MVP are saying!..I will admit, It requires a different set of skills, to be a competent coach/instructor..But even with cameras, and other visual aids, it is a 'real stretch' to say, that 8 hrs. (or even 8 days) can possibly show any meaningful improvement in anyone at an intricate, demanding game like pool!..Unless, of course, you are starting out with someone who has never even held a cue stick in their hands!..I am sure you provide a valuable service to people like that, and many amateurs alike!

It brings to mind, CJ Wileys absurd claim, that he can teach anyone how to play one pocket, in a few weeks or so!..As you said yourself..everyone learns at their own pace!..I've been playing tough action for over sixty years, and I'm still learning!..You also must see, that most people (no matter how much they love the game) will never improve enough to become even a mid-level 'B' player..And thats with hundreds of lessons, over many years time!

I have no idea how many 'PBIA instructors or 'Masters', are certified as such, or more importantly, who certifies them???..But, with the exception of Ray Martin or Stan Shufert, I have to doubt there are very many really solid "A players" in the coaching ranks!..IMO, you are placing way too much emphasis on an instructors ability to "teach", and not enough on their own skill level as a player themselves!..So I must question the benefits a top player would gain, if any?..As the old saying goes.."It takes one, to know one"

Lessons are fine, for beginners, but there is no substitute for HAMB, staying in action, or god-given talent and there never will be!..And that takes a LOT of time and dedication..Tiger Woods has finally realized that, thats why he has canned all his high $$$ 'swing coaches', and decided to work on getting his mechanics, and his game back himself!..(who better?)

PS..Also, please enlighten me..What does "SPF Group" stand for???

SJD, I believe it stands for "Set, Pause, Finish" with the idea being you pause your pool stroke when you transition between the back stroke and the forward swing.

Lou Figueroa
or sumthin' like that

 

[GoldCrown]

How could I be making a blanket statement?

I have written here about lessons I've taken. I just don't believe all lessons are created equal. In particular, when I look at the roosters of some pool schools and note that many listed instructors cite "lifetime player" as a qualification, it gives me pause.

Lou Figueroa

Let's talk about the Known instructors.....such Scott (for example). Why does he keep being disputed when he has a great history/track record. Would you recommend Scott to a beginner or someone that needs/wants to learn. Would you recommend Scott to anyone having stroke flaws they can't work out on their own. Can you push the Scott button? Will you endorse him as fully qualified competent instructor?

Yes to lessons and everything else in life are not equal...car mechanics, home contractors.

 

[Spimp13]

What "champions" have gone to pool school? Johnnyt

You are a real piece of work you know that. Stick to making constant ridiculous threads spewing your random negativity which is what you do best.

PS....the schools are designed to help elevate the students games while fine tuning their fundamentals (or lack thereof). They learn how to spot mistakes in their fundamentals so that they can correct them after they leave the class. They also don't claim the school is going to make you a champion and NEVER have made that claim from what I have seen in person having attended a class as well as on here. Many (as in thousands) have benefited from instruction/school so it must have some merit eh? Pool school may not be for everyone but good god give it a rest with comments like this.

 

[Johnnyt]

You are a real piece of work you know that. Stick to making constant ridiculous threads spewing your random negativity which is what you do best.

PS....the schools are designed to help elevate the students games while fine tuning their fundamentals (or lack thereof). They learn how to spot mistakes in their fundamentals so that they can correct them after they leave the class. They also don't claim the school is going to make you a champion and NEVER have made that claim from what I have seen in person having attended a class as well as on here. Many (as in thousands) have benefited from instruction/school so it must have some merit eh? Pool school may not be for everyone but good god give it a rest with comments like this.

champions who come to pool school) are quite amazed at what they learn about themselves over three days. thread #69. Johnnyt

 

[SFC9ball]

Who said all we teach is stroke? Show me a single post where it says we only teach stroke. Yes, there is a ton more to learn...and we have both the knowledge and ability to teach it. It takes forever to learn it, if you don't have an accurate and repeatable stroke. That's why smart players focus on that first. The playing knowledge is only applicable to the extent that the student is able to repeat what the instructor demonstrates for them. Then, only practice and competition help ingrain things.

mvp... If you think instructors can't play, there are plenty of us who will be happy to step up and give your wallet a lesson! So, if you get your ass kicked, does that mean the instructor is "okay" in your eyes? This mentality has always been present, for eternity.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Come on Scott you know that " THOSE that Can't do Teach"

 

[Spimp13]

champions who come to pool school) are quite amazed at what they learn about themselves over three days. thread #69. Johnnyt

Maybe this class isn't designed toward your so called champions. Maybe it is for beginning/intermediate/advanced or non pro players looking for flaws in their game. I guess thousands of peoples' testimonies about the school helping them are all bogus.

I also guess Allison Fisher isn't a champion as many years ago she worked with and benefited from coaching from Randy G who is one of the teachers of a pool school. Stick that in your cranky pipe and smoke it Mr. Negativity.

Show me on the doll where this thread has hurt you...

 

[SFC9ball]

What "champions" have gone to pool school? Johnnyt

Can we start with Mark Wilson, or doesn't he count since he is an instructor?
or can we count Alison Fisher? She is a SPF instructor.

I think they play better then you do too!

What people get caught up in with all of this teaching stuff is: They think the instructor is going to teach them how to play the game I.E. making balls, pattern play, banking, jumping, kicking, ETC. Which the instructors can do. The Pool Schools I have taught and been too teach the stuff going on behind the cue ball.

Being able to deliver a straight stroke on demand under pressure first try is greatly enhances everything we do at the table.

 

[mvp]

Who said all we teach is stroke? Show me a single post where it says we only teach stroke. Yes, there is a ton more to learn...and we have both the knowledge and ability to teach it. It takes forever to learn it, if you don't have an accurate and repeatable stroke. That's why smart players focus on that first. The playing knowledge is only applicable to the extent that the student is able to repeat what the instructor demonstrates for them. Then, only practice and competition help ingrain things.

mvp... If you think instructors can't play, there are plenty of us who will be happy to step up and give your wallet a lesson! So, if you get your ass kicked, does that mean the instructor is "okay" in your eyes? This mentality has always been present, for eternity.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

. Yes there are plenty of pro playing level instructors that can kick everybody's ass, LIKE I SAID! But then again there's asshat stroke instructors missing with ball in hand on YouTube (you know who you are) lol gee wonder who I want helping me??????? Not all pro's can instruct but yet all who instruct think they're pros! Just sayin

 

[couldnthinkof01]

Youtube has a good interview with tony chohan. He says watch videos of pros, watch good players gambling, and put yourself under pressure as much as possible. I think he is on to something. Not much about instructors, lol.

 

[BeiberLvr]

. Yes there are plenty of pro playing level instructors that can kick everybody's ass, LIKE I SAID! But then again there's asshat stroke instructors missing with ball in hand on YouTube (you know who you are) lol gee wonder who I want helping me??????? Not all pro's can instruct but yet all who instruct think they're pros! Just sayin

Even pros have missed with ball in hand.

One shot doesn't define a players skill level.

 

[GoldCrown]

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[mvp]

Even pros have missed with ball in hand.

One shot doesn't define a players skill level.

Fair enough, then watch the entire game. I don't want to sell this instructor out but a lot of you know the person and video I'm mentioning

 

[Neil]

Fair enough, then watch the entire game. I don't want to sell this instructor out but a lot of you know the person and video I'm mentioning

Why is it that so many threads offering help to others get sidetracked by "bashers"? And, just about every one of those threads mention that video? (probably you in all of them) When it has been pointed out numerous times that the video you are talking about is just some guys, one of them an instructor, releasing some steam and just having a good time goofing around on a pool table while drinking. No one was playing seriously, yet you have to point out a video like that to make some false claim of that is how instructors actually play. Really, really sad the lengths some of you go to when you obviously don't have a clue what you are even talking about.

Just what is it that you think you are gaining by posts like yours? It's not even like they are teaching something wrong, it's just the teaching in general that you and others find fault with. Want to know what is wrong with pool, and why Americans now suck at the game? Look in a mirror.

 

[Dan White]

Why is it that so many threads offering help to others get sidetracked by "bashers"? And, just about every one of those threads mention that video? (probably you in all of them) When it has been pointed out numerous times that the video you are talking about is just some guys, one of them an instructor, releasing some steam and just having a good time goofing around on a pool table while drinking. No one was playing seriously, yet you have to point out a video like that to make some false claim of that is how instructors actually play. Really, really sad the lengths some of you go to when you obviously don't have a clue what you are even talking about.

Just what is it that you think you are gaining by posts like yours? It's not even like they are teaching something wrong, it's just the teaching in general that you and others find fault with. Want to know what is wrong with pool, and why Americans now suck at the game? Look in a mirror.

I don't know the video. Must've been Stan based on the above reply.

 

[bbb]

here is a novel idea
lets get back on topic...............
if you are interested in pool school ...GREAT
if not start another thread on the merits of instruction/instructors or anything else your heart desires....
...
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from post #1
Want to improve your pool game next weekend? -
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We go back & forth between group lecture & demonstration and individual training at your table. The instructors provide one-on-one help at your table. Clinics run about eight hours a day, beginning in the morning. No matter how long you've been playing, you will be astounded at how much you'll learn.

details:

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[mvp]

Neil, I like most instructors! Personally spent time with mark Wilson, nick Varner, and had discussions with Jerry breisth. my problem is with certain instructors that get all butt hurt if you disagree with them. And a certain instructor seems to call out others more often than-that video is mentioned. Casual playing or not,that is a very damaging video! People are people,some good some bad, same with instructors! And maybe American pool is bad because they went to this guy for help??????

 

[BeiberLvr]

Fair enough, then watch the entire game. I don't want to sell this instructor out but a lot of you know the person and video I'm mentioning

I'm sure you've played a bad game or two.

I bet I could find some videos of SVB dogging his brains out in many games.

 

[Neil]

Neil, I like most instructors! Personally spent time with mark Wilson, nick Varner, and had discussions with Jerry breisth. my problem is with certain instructors that get all butt hurt if you disagree with them. And a certain instructor seems to call out others more often than-that video is mentioned. Casual playing or not,that is a very damaging video! People are people,some good some bad, same with instructors! And maybe American pool is bad because they went to this guy for help??????

Now you are doing nothing but trying to slander. The only people that video is damaging to is guys like you that keep bringing it up and feebly making an attempt to have it be something it is not.

Most everyone on here knows the video is of Scott Lee. Obviously you have a beef with him, but don't want to state his name because you know you will get called out on it. For you to imply that Scott is a bad instructor is way beyond reality.

 

[BeiberLvr]

I don't know the video. Must've been Stan based on the above reply.

He's talking about Scott Lee. Just doesn't have the balls to say it.

I dont think Scott is a world class player but I'm certain his level is much higher than demonstrated in the single game that's being referenced.

 

[mvp]

I never said he was a bad instructor! I'm implying he's a stroke instructor, not a run out type instructor. In my earlier post I even said everyone could benefit from a stroke instructor at least once in their life. But my beef stew with how fast he turns against people who disagree. Hell,,,,,he's probably a nice guy off of this site. I so sick of this site. I'm done with it!