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Ok. Here's the situation. I was playing onepocket with a friend and I played a safety in which I shot the cue ball with top at lag speed. The cue ball struck the object ball and one or both balls literally hopped off of the bed of the table for a split second. It seemed like they were glued together for a split second. I've had this happen only on very rare occasions in my 15 years or so of pool playing. Any thoughts on what was going on there???
 
DogsPlayingPool said:
Sounds to me like you caught a skidder.
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Yup, skid. It is quite common on soft shots nearly full on a ball with follow. It generally ruins how far the cue ball follows. There are some good illustrations among the snooker clips on Youtube, but I don't have one handy right now. One such skid occurred on the VEPP DVDs I made with Dr. Dave. The goal of the drill at the time was to follow an object ball straight into the side pocket. There was a visible skid and the cue ball just barely made it to the pocket at about half the intended speed.
 
jalapus logan said:
Ok. Here's the situation. I was playing onepocket with a friend and I played a safety in which I shot the cue ball with top at lag speed. The cue ball struck the object ball and one or both balls literally hopped off of the bed of the table for a split second. It seemed like they were glued together for a split second. I've had this happen only on very rare occasions in my 15 years or so of pool playing. Any thoughts on what was going on there???
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Most people say this is caused by a chalk mark on the ob, cb or possibly both. If you can picture the added friction that chalk would cause between the 2 balls, then visualize the cb will actually want to "climb" up the ob, at least to a greater extent than in a normal collision. That is how it leaves the table. BTW, it will normally be primarily the cb that leaves the table in this instance. The ob will be driven downward, correct?
 
jalapus logan said:
Ok. Here's the situation. I was playing onepocket with a friend and I played a safety in which I shot the cue ball with top at lag speed. The cue ball struck the object ball and one or both balls literally hopped off of the bed of the table for a split second. It seemed like they were glued together for a split second. I've had this happen only on very rare occasions in my 15 years or so of pool playing. Any thoughts on what was going on there???
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I'm not for sure about this. I have this method I use in bank shots that require what I call "cling english" but I don't know for sure if this is the same thing. I can make the balls cling together and get more turn on the object ball by doing this.I can teach it but it's hard to explain.John B.
 
It's usually the result of chalk at the contact point causing increased friction. The hop isn't all that pronounced but the balls locking up momentarily and both skidding is apparent. It generally results in a shot that seems to have been hit too full as the CB "carries" the OB with it briefly before it releases and goes on its way, so the OB doesn't release on the original shot line.

I can't say this for sure but I believe it has also happened to me with badly worn balls that have pits and dings. If the hit is made where two pits make contact I think they can lock up (hook and loop like velcro) and skid just like with a chalk mark. Again, its an increase in normal friction.
 
JBKY said:
I'm not for sure about this. I have this method I use in bank shots that require what I call "cling english" but I don't know for sure if this is the same thing. I can make the balls cling together and get more turn on the object ball by doing this.I can teach it but it's hard to explain.John B.
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JB,
Is this kind of like stiffing the object ball with inside?
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my understandingis that skid has some relationship to the humidity and air conditioning but i really don't know

what i do know is thatJohn Brumback has made a lifetime close study of pool,developing into the best bank player of all time,while at the same time learned how to communicate
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a couple of balls (one hole) in a single session

If you really want to improve i suggest you contact him for a day of lessons,
your improvement will be nothing short of miraculous

or you can say something fashionable like the only way to get better is to hit a million balls,and stay about the same speed you are now

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Hungarian Nut said:
JB,
Is this kind of like stiffing the object ball with inside?
Thanks..
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No.It's turning the oball with dead center.Getting it to grip or cling to the oball.Kinda like causing a skid reaction on purpose.I think it's the same thing.Not a 100% sure though.John B.
 
JBKY said:
No.It's turning the oball with dead center.Getting it to grip or cling to the oball.Kinda like causing a skid reaction on purpose.I think it's the same thing.Not a 100% sure though.John B.
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That's some real stuff there. If I ever meet you I would like some lessons. Do you ever come to Houston? We got a bunch of suckers down here. I'm sure we could bust a few of them. Let me know...
 
Hungarian Nut said:
That's some real stuff there. If I ever meet you I would like some lessons. Do you ever come to Houston? We got a bunch of suckers down here. I'm sure we could bust a few of them. Let me know...
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Thanks.I would come out there if i can get a few lessons lined up.John B.
 
Some skids are caused by a bad stroke or wrong type of stroke.How ever you want to say it.Not all but some.John B.
 
In snooker they are called kicks and have never been satisfactorily explained. Chalk deposits are often blamed but I believe that theory has been discredited.

Is it possible that there could be a small imperfection in the ball surface composition resulting in the occasional inelastic collision?
 
Siz said:
In snooker they are called kicks and have never been satisfactorily explained. Chalk deposits are often blamed but I believe that theory has been discredited.

Is it possible that there could be a small imperfection in the ball surface composition resulting in the occasional inelastic collision?
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Agreed. I suspect there are numerous causes, including your theory on microscopic imperfections in the balls. I also wonder whether imperfections in the slates/cloth causes them. What's very clear from snooker slo-mo pictures is stroke errors is a primary cause, with the CB bouncing like crazy after leaving the cue tip.
 
Siz said:
In snooker they are called kicks and have never been satisfactorily explained. Chalk deposits are often blamed but I believe that theory has been discredited. ...
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I think it's still credited in the US. Chalk is to the only reasonable explanation to this point. I believe it covers all of the observed data. Further, kicks can be demonstrated fairly reliably by application of chalk.

Do you know of a better explanation?
 
JBKY said:
I'm not for sure about this. I have this method I use in bank shots that require what I call "cling encglish" but I don't know for sure if this is the same thing. I can make the balls cling together and get more turn on the object ball by doing this.I can teach it but it's hard to explain.John B.
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John-

sounds like this might be an item for your next dvd.
 
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