What center cueball has done for "The Blade"Stevie Moore

[SpiderWebComm]

Oh and another thing. I will tell you the one pro that handles himself the best on the forum - Mr. John Brumback. When he has something to share he shares it. But he also throws in a bit of humility. He doesn't pretend that he understands everything there is to know about the game just because he is a pro. This humility goes a long ways for a lot of us.

Any banger, short stop, or pro that comes on this forum and can't be convinced that they are wrong about anything doesn't really have much to offer me. What's the point of engaging with anybody that's not willing to reconsider their position?

For me, forums are about bouncing ideas off of each other, not just being spoon fed the "truth".

Engage and bounce off ideas and question and disagree -- just do it in a non-dick way. Why is that so tough to get? The fact that you can't see that there's a crew of people here who make it their personal job and self-appointed mission to force out pros by trying their hardest to make an ass out of them is disturbing.

 

[Slasher]

If you're not copying a pro then your copying an amateur.

Simply not true, there are pros with great fundamentals that are the fast track to getting better then there are those that made it work cause they didn't know any better.

The reason the modern snooker players are so far ahead of the old school guys is that the current crop have been modeled on Steve Davis's simple reliable methods that provided the consistency to compete at the top.

 

[cuejoey]

Free stuff

He has 2 years to think about it.

I considered the options and made a choice.

2 years is a very long time.

He'll have ALOT of time to get FREE STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:grin-square:

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Ooh you mean sorta like communist China?

Nah-- kind of like:

Hanging out on Porn Star Island and every time a helicopter drops off the woman of your dreams, a crew of azzes next to you insults her to the point where she swims away, choosing to risk getting killed by a shark than to EVER return to the island again. Eventually, one makes it back to shore and tells the rest of the porn stars around the world to NEVER EVER take the helicopter ride to that island EVER again.

In the end, you have a bunch of guys WISHING porn stars would show up since "that's why they're on Porn Star Island" and whatnot. However, that same crew of azzes make it their job to scare them away; thus ruining it for everyone.

The ironic thing is the crew of azzes clearly NEVER got any in their entire life (unless they paid for it), but for SOME reason they're the experts on having sex as long as the porn stars are forced off the island. After many years of being porn-star-less, people forget why they stopped showing up and over time the crew of azzes become the local sex experts--- you name it: positions, boobs, kissing, enlargement pills --- these guys know it ALL and people believe them. However, nobody ever saw them in any pornos. Whenever confronted about that, they say "BAH - you don't need to be in a video to clearly know I'm right about everything having to do with sex!"

If that happens, why call it Porn Star Island to begin with? Might as well call it the Azz Crew Island.

Hopefully that makes a little more sense than your strange China/Communist analogy.

 

[Luxury]

Nah-- kind of like:

Hanging out on Porn Star Island and every time a helicopter drops off the woman of your dreams, a crew of azzes next to you insults her to the point where she swims away, choosing to risk getting killed by a shark than to EVER return to the island again. Eventually, one makes it back to shore and tells the rest of the porn stars around the world to NEVER EVER take the helicopter ride to that island EVER again.

In the end, you have a bunch of guys WISHING porn stars would show up since "that's why they're on Porn Star Island" and whatnot. However, that same crew of azzes make it their job to scare them away; thus ruining it for everyone.

The ironic thing is the crew of azzes clearly NEVER got any in their entire life (unless they paid for it), but for SOME reason they're the experts on having sex as long as the porn stars are forced off the island. After many years of being porn-star-less, people forget why they stopped showing up and over time the crew of azzes become the local sex experts--- you name it: positions, boobs, kissing, enlargement pills --- these guys know it ALL and people believe them. However, nobody ever saw them in any pornos. Whenever confronted about that, they say "BAH - you don't need to be in a video to clearly know I'm right about everything having to do with sex!"

If that happens, why call it Porn Star Island to begin with? Might as well call it the Azz Crew Island.

Hopefully that makes a little more sense than your strange China/Communist analogy.

That was awesome! If Patrick was here he would say he saved all those dudes from STDs. lol.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

That was awesome! If Patrick was here he would say he saved all those dudes from STDs. lol.

You're exactly right. The thing that he doesn't realize is: that's a decision that should be left to each man on his own. It's not his decision to make for the group as a whole, unilaterally.

If you don't like the porn star, simply excuse yourself, go make a cocktail, sit your butt in a bungelow somewhere and let the other guys decide if they want to take a chance.

 

[scttybee]

cant agree more spider...please let me know when porn star island opens
i want to get in and out before the "smart guys" with little ones show up

 

[ENGLISH!]

Hats Off to the last four(4) posts for making me laugh. You guys should start a comedy act.

 

[Slasher]

Hopefully that makes a little more sense than your strange China/Communist analogy.

29 guys telling everyone how to think and muzzling those they don't agree with.

 

[Slasher]

cant agree more spider...please let me know when porn star island opens
i want to get in and out before the "smart guys" with little ones show up

http://youtu.be/YSPaLiTBL3E

 

[Ratta]

What center cue ball has done for me

I've been playing pool for approximately 29 years. For the first 23 years of my life I had never had any instruction. No books, no videos, and no one on one instructor to show me the flaws in my stroke or even what I should be looking at to aim. Little did I know I had been playing all this time with a flawed stroke. It was all feel and trial and error. What a long an lonely road. Not a bad one tho. I've had lots of fun learning this wonderful game. But oh if I knew then what I know now. Lol! High insight. What I did have was determination. N I got this from my mama. Thank ya mama! I love you always!

Lucky me I ran up on Stan and Landon Shuffett in 2006 for the first time in Los Angeles CA. At that tournament I approached him about learning how to teach. As soon as I stopped talkin he confidently said. Not only will i teach you how to teach, I will guarantee to improve your game by a minimum of 10%. At that time, I was considered top 20 in the country as far as I was concerned and 10% didn't really strike me as being much of an improvement. Oh how ignorant I was. Lol! I thought whatever. Just show me some stuff so I can have some information to maybe explain some things to people that were interested in getting instruction from me. I was working as a bartender at Mr Cues 2 in Atlanta,Ga and I was getting a few folks interested in instruction but I was clueless. I gave a few lessons and could clearly see I had no idea what the hell I was talking about other than make that ball and go two rails with outside english for position on this ball. I was a doer not a teacher. All that changed in the first 10 minutes of my week long session with Stan. It's was one of the most happiest times in my life to learn information on things that I had been doing for 20 something years with no real training. Was a blessing.

I had heard of Stan and Landon back in 2000 while I was in Kentucky hustlin pool. For some reason tho I decided not to go and try to gamble with Stan. Fate has it. Was one of the best decisions of my life. Sometime around April 2007 I was invited by Stan to stay at his home and learn how to teach. Little did i know the impact of this meeting. He shared with me the knowledge that I needed in becoming the best player I could possibly be. Don't get me wrong I had the pattern play the safeties the percentages of the right shot. But I lacked routine, basic cueing knowledge and definitely did not know how to aim. Well he gave me this knowledge and I knew there was work to be done in my own game. After seeing and learning these principals I knew I was on my way to becoming a much better player and possibly number 1 ranked player in the US which has been a dream of mine since i had started playing. A much better player I am from learning CTE/Pro One guaranteed. Learning to stroke straight was another piece to the puzzle. Well, I finally got it. It's been a process but what else did I have to do!

With this being said you go and play pool with your spin and you'll be left behind to CTE/Pro One and center cueball! Good Luck with whatever you choose.

"The Blade" Stevie Moore

HOMETOWN

Spartanburg SC

TITLES

Over 100 Southeast Regional Titles
1995 World Bar Table Champion
7 Time Seminole 10 Ball Pro Tour Champion
2007 Derby City Bank Champion
2008 Steve Mizerak Champion
2009 US Bar Table 8 Ball Champion
2009&2010 NYC Champion
2010 Turning Stone XVl Runner Up
2011 New England Hall of Fame Champion
2012 US Bar Table 10 Ball Runner Up
2012 Derby City 9 Ball Runner Up
2012 Derby City Fat Boy 10 Ball Challenge Runner Up
2012 Players Championship Runner Up

Well Stevie,

often said, but still very underrated: "Knowledge is pure power"

Glad that this worked out so great for you, and that you made such a great improvement after meeting up with Stan Shuffet. Stan is for sure one of the great instructors (and for sure not just about CTE)...how you saw and felt


lg from overseas,

Ingo

 

[JB Cases]

Simply not true, there are pros with great fundamentals that are the fast track to getting better then there are those that made it work cause they didn't know any better.

The reason the modern snooker players are so far ahead of the old school guys is that the current crop have been modeled on Steve Davis's simple reliable methods that provided the consistency to compete at the top.

In other words they copied Steve Davis, an example of success. And Ronnie O' Sullivan? Who did he copy, Jimmy White?

The fact is that the snooker world is plenty big enough for the Steve Davis types and the Jimmy White types and the pool world is as well. There is no one size fits all approach that everyone has to use.

Do I care who you prefer to copy? Do I care whether you think Ralf Souquet's form is the best way to play? I don't because I know that Ralf's way works to run out and I know that Efren's way works to run out. I can copy either of them and both are great models of how to play pool.

What I can't do is copy Pat Johnson, or John Barton, or any amateur and expect to be duplicating championship form. I mean MAYBE those amateur player MIGHT have the right form to play championship level pool but the fact that they never DID actually play at that level kind of makes it kind of a crapshoot to follow John Barton's form when learning to play.

However when a top level pro is offering advice and you can go and check their record against the other top pros then you are CERTAIN to be getting advice from a player that has reached the very top. So it doesn't matter if you don't think that a particular professional has the form you like, what matters is what they have done. Results are proof positive of a working model. Luckily we have a lot of different examples of successful players to follow. And even better is when they stop in and share with us here.

 

[Ratta]

Everytime again nice to think about this famous quote:

"insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".
A. Einstein

Still one of my alltime-favourites


lg from overseas

Ingo

 

[Slasher]

In other words they copied Steve Davis, an example of success. And Ronnie O' Sullivan? Who did he copy, Jimmy White?

The fact is that the snooker world is plenty big enough for the Steve Davis types and the Jimmy White types and the pool world is as well. There is no one size fits all approach that everyone has to use.

Do I care who you prefer to copy? Do I care whether you think Ralf Souquet's form is the best way to play? I don't because I know that Ralf's way works to run out and I know that Efren's way works to run out. I can copy either of them and both are great models of how to play pool.

What I can't do is copy Pat Johnson, or John Barton, or any amateur and expect to be duplicating championship form. I mean MAYBE those amateur player MIGHT have the right form to play championship level pool but the fact that they never DID actually play at that level kind of makes it kind of a crapshoot to follow John Barton's form when learning to play.

However when a top level pro is offering advice and you can go and check their record against the other top pros then you are CERTAIN to be getting advice from a player that has reached the very top. So it doesn't matter if you don't think that a particular professional has the form you like, what matters is what they have done. Results are proof positive of a working model. Luckily we have a lot of different examples of successful players to follow. And even better is when they stop in and share with us here.

There is more to winning than just technique. Mental strength, shot selection, break all play a part. for example there are tons of excellent golfers, possibly technically as good as Rory or Tiger but only a few that have the ability to win.

btw Ronnie modeled himself on Steve Davis.

 

[JB Cases]

There is more to winning than just technique. Mental strength, shot selection, break all play a part. for example there are tons of excellent golfers, possibly technically as good as Rory or Tiger but only a few that have the ability to win.

btw Ronnie modeled himself on Steve Davis.

So you honestly think that all snooker players are now clones of Steve Davis?

I think that they would disagree with you but again this is amateurs arguing over the whims of gods.

And I do agree that there is more to winning than technique. So who is better suited to talk about those aspects, pros with impressive winning records or amateurs who can't win a city championship?

One thing is certain, with no pros here then we don't get the chance to ask them and have conversations with them. When was the last time you saw Steve Davis or Ronnie on a snooker message board giving advice on how to play?

 

[Slasher]

So you honestly think that all snooker players are now clones of Steve Davis?

I think that they would disagree with you but again this is amateurs arguing over the whims of gods.

And I do agree that there is more to winning than technique. So who is better suited to talk about those aspects, pros with impressive winning records or amateurs who can't win a city championship?

One thing is certain, with no pros here then we don't get the chance to ask them and have conversations with them. When was the last time you saw Steve Davis or Ronnie on a snooker message board giving advice on how to play?

It just comes across that the ones that have come here were looking for something in return, when was the last time you heard from Hatch? oh I remember, when he wanted on Mosconi.

Davis and O'Sullivan don't need your money

 

[DTL]

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[JB Cases]

It just comes across that the ones that have come here were looking for something in return, when was the last time you heard from Hatch? oh I remember, when he wanted on Mosconi.

Davis and O'Sullivan don't need your money

And? Even if the pros are here to sell something then at least they are here. If they are willing to talk about the game from their perspective then we get opportunities that we wouldn't ordinarily have.

Why knock that? I can think of very few sports where the amateurs get the chance to talk to pros AT ALL.

So the UPSIDE of pool being a poorly paid sport for the pros (for now) is that we do have the opportunity to pick their brains. Unless of course some people want to constantly run them down and remind them that they aren't making millions. Then they decide that it's not even worth it to spend ANY time hanging out with amateurs and we get to be just like every other sport, talking ABOUT them and not TO them.

 

[JB Cases]

Played poker with a fella at the WSOP last year that knows all the old snooker players including Steve Davis. He said the reason snooker had lost some of its popularity in recent years was because most snooker players these days look like robots...............no "characters" with flare/charism in the game anymore (except Ronnie O., of course, lol)

You can find tons of very good instructional videos on YouTube by snooker players including Steve Davis and Ronnie O'Sullivan.......type in Snooker Tips. Nic Barrow has some good stuff on YouTube.

I wouldn't know but I do agree that the less "character" in sport the less interesting it is.

And yes there is a ton of snooker instruction on YouTube. But that's not the same as if Steve Davis were here talking to the amateurs in a conversational way.

 

[Slasher]

And? Even if the pros are here to sell something then at least they are here. If they are willing to talk about the game from their perspective then we get opportunities that we wouldn't ordinarily have.

Why knock that? I can think of very few sports where the amateurs get the chance to talk to pros AT ALL.

So the UPSIDE of pool being a poorly paid sport for the pros (for now) is that we do have the opportunity to pick their brains. Unless of course some people want to constantly run them down and remind them that they aren't making millions. Then they decide that it's not even worth it to spend ANY time hanging out with amateurs and we get to be just like every other sport, talking ABOUT them and not TO them.

I agree there is no need to be overly critical and run them off but john you seem like a pretty smart fellow and surely you have to agree some of the utter nonsense that has been spouted needed to be challenged.