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I do the Slip-Stroke too sometimes when I find that my speed is going a bit off. It just sort of frees you up somehow.
I like the PS.
Best Wishes,
Rick
What cue stroke are you using?
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Some how I missed your post
I do the Slip-Stroke too sometimes when I find that my speed is going a bit off. It just sort of frees you up somehow.
I like the PS.
Best Wishes,
Rick
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The poll only has 3 choices, a complete pendulum, a variation of a pendulum, & a non pendulum. No one was trying to name all different kinds of strokes. It was just a poll to get an idea of what type strokes AZB members use & in what proportion.
This thread would not have had any problems if Neil, Sean & to lessor degree you would not have either taken or kept it off topic.
You quoted one(1) of a fourteen(14) sentence post. To me that can certainly be called taking it out of context.
Now you're saying that me saying you did that is the last straw.
Well I'm sorry if that was so offensive to you. It was just that that one sentence by itself certainly did not represent the point of my post.
And your 'non monetary wager' proposition would only test the side to side aspects & not the up & down aspect which is the issue in dispute.
I wish you would try to see some of what happens from my point of view & realize that I am being bombarded on three fronts. Could I possibly mis-interpret the intentions of one of those fronts when they certainly seem to be with the same intent? I guess that I could.
Well I guess this is a waste of more of my time since you now have me on ignore.
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Foreward: If I type anything in caps, I'm not yelling. Just trying to put emphasis on certain things. Hopefully this will be my last post on the subject....
Rick,
It has been stated here numerous times that what happens after contact has absolutely ZERO INFLUENCE on the CB. The only thing that the CB knows is where it was struck, and the speed of the hit. THAT'S IT...NOTHING MORE.
I already showed you in another thread that with the pendulum stroke, the CB is (in most cases) hit while the cue is at the bottom of the pendulum. I also showed you that it's at that exact moment the cue is straight and as level as possible. OPINION: It's my belief that the so called "sweet spot" is determined by one's bridge and possibly arm length. /OPINION
In any case, yes, the cue will arc AFTER CONTACT. So you can choose to use a piston stroke, and not let that happen, but you are NOT GETTING ANYTHING EXTRA OUT OF THE CB.
If you seriously have any questions, then I will be convinced of one, possibly two things.
1. You have a comprehension problem.
2. You're a troll.
-Jon
Rick,
It has been stated here numerous times that what happens after contact has absolutely ZERO INFLUENCE on the CB. The only thing that the CB knows is where it was struck, and the speed of the hit. THAT'S IT...NOTHING MORE.
I already showed you in another thread that with the pendulum stroke, the CB is (in most cases) hit while the cue is at the bottom of the pendulum. I also showed you that it's at that exact moment the cue is straight and as level as possible. OPINION: It's my belief that the so called "sweet spot" is determined by one's bridge and possibly arm length. /OPINION
In any case, yes, the cue will arc AFTER CONTACT. So you can choose to use a piston stroke, and not let that happen, but you are NOT GETTING ANYTHING EXTRA OUT OF THE CB.
If you seriously have any questions, then I will be convinced of one, possibly two things.
1. You have a comprehension problem.
2. You're a troll.
-Jon
Well jon.
Most of your opinions well thought and nicley explained
Have a smooth stroke buddy.
Lg from overseas.
Ingo
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Jon,
I think # 1 & 2 might make you a troll because their intention can ONLY be meant to insight an emotional response from me.
You are wrong both about me & the pendulum stroke. You are merely repeating what you have been told. If you can not understand that your 'identical' statements were faulty & that it is easier to hit the exact target with a straight/'level' moving tip vs one that is moving on 3 arcs then I don't know what to say because we have no common ground from which to discuss the issue. Why do... know I won't ask that question. It would probably start a whole other derail.
I have asked you 2 questions multiple times & like Neil, etc. you will not answer the questions that I have asked you. I won't ask them again.
But I now have a few others for you now that your attitude has changed.
Why do you think randyG made the assertion of the several inches of 'level' tip travel for a fixed elbow pendulum stroke yet Bob Jewitt's charting of the tip travel for such a stroke does not support that?
Why has no certified instructor given any bio-mechanical explanation to support randyG's assertion & 2 instructors in the 'sweet spot' thread basically agreed that there is no 'level' tip movement but if there was, it would be miniscule & certainly nowhere near 2 inches.
Neil continually saying that a detailed explanation has been given is simply a mis-statement. If he is referring to what he suggested. His 'detailed' 'explanation' was to merely suggest a loose grip so the cue weight could be supported by the different fingers during the stroke as it 'rocks' across the fingers. That actually increases the slope without a countering wrist action & increases the chance for error which makes a perfect set up even more crucial.
Let me ask you. Do you know how to get several inches of 'level' tip movement out of a complete fixed elbow stroke? If so please explain it to me & we can put this puppy to bed.
Everyone wants to divert from the topic in question with all kinds of other 'facts' but no one wants to give a bio-mechanical explanation to support randyG's assertion.
I just deleted the rest of my reply because I realized that trying to make you see it is extremely unlikely & it would probably only make matters worse.
Well I've asked you some question so I guess either 1 or 2 in your post applies, but I'll leave it to you & others to decide which one.
You know it's really rather funny to me that you suggest that I'm trolling my own thread when it was not me that brought up the subject. No offense but you sound like someone else.
Have a good evening Jon,
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I think using a small wrist movement in the direction of the stroke might allow the cue stick to travel an inch or two more in a straight line. I use a loose wrist in my stroke and can add probably 6 inches with a back and forth motion.
When I use a pendulum stroke, my forward wrist motion and grip could probably allow several inches of "flat" stroking forward. Without the loose grip/wrist movement , I doubt I could get much more than an inch or two of straight stroking before my hand came up.
Best,
Mike
Hi Mike,
What do mean when you say 'in the direction of the stroke'. Is the hand cocking up towards the shoulder or down towards the elbow when the cue moves forward?
What do you mean when you say 'add probably 6 inches with a back & forth motion'? Are you referring to just the hand moving with the wrist cocking in both directions & no arm movement?
I can see the amount of cue movement because I can move the cue a total of nearly 8 inches when feathered back & then extended forward with no arm movement but while it goes back fairy straight/level it does dive down on the forward side. Now that is with no arm movement & no elbow drop.
Thanks for the input. Maybe you & I can come to some form of a consensus. But...this was not the intention of this thread but since the other one was closed.
Best to Y'a,
Rick
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A_Lake
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The "hammer & sword". Cocking my wrist like I am holding a hammer gives me excellent power. My stroke is similar to a thrust of a sword, short & sweet, with uncocking the "hammer" at contact with the CB. Works great. The pressure of the cocked wrist keeps my stroke in the groove, no deviation what so ever.
I know that this goes against what everyone teaches, but I am in control of the cue ball and I want to hit it where I choose.
I know that this goes against what everyone teaches, but I am in control of the cue ball and I want to hit it where I choose.
Rick,
After years off shooting, my wrist moves back and forth while I open and close my grip. This allows for straight travel of the cue in a piston manner. Even though I use a pendulum stroke, the movement of my wrist and fingers creates a flat travel in my stroke. On power shots, I can create at least 6 inches of straight cueing with a pendulum style stroke.
Best,
Mike
Sorry Grand Paw but I'm going to converse with a Yankee again.:wink:
As you may know, that is what CJ advoactes. It is in total contrast to my loose, long & fluid 46 year old stroke but due to using TOI my stroke is naturally gravitating toward what you're saying.
I think my old stroke is what made TOI a bit difficult for me as well as playing with english for all of those years.
Now when I'm using the new method I sometimes have troube staying in that 'goove'. I think my hand is a bit to the counter clock wise side of it & I have to turn it a bit clockwise, but that, for now, is a bit uncomfortable.
Thanks for your posts, even if you are a 'Damn Yankee'.:wink:
Best Wishes & Shoot Well,
Rick
Mike,
I hear what you're saying but I've seen the video that some have offered up & while the cue stays more level going back by feathering open & I would say that that is a good thing & certainly changes the approach angle which I would also say is good, I've noticed that the tip has dived down at the finish unless on some shots the elbow drops to keep the cue moving level.
As some have said they, I & probably many use many variations while playing the game.
As I have said before, IF there is straight/'level' tip travel in a fixed elbow there must be an associated bio-mechanism for it to occur. You & Renfo/Chris have offered similar explanations in that it is in a certain grip/wrist action. I would agree that it would have to be there as there is no other option with the elbow pinned in space.
That brings me back to the cradle grip with the cue just sitting in the curl of the fingers that I had thought was the prescribed grip for the pendulum stroke.
Do you see any way to get several inches of straight/'level' tip travel while using a cradle grip with a fixed elbow arm swing?
Best to Y'a,
Rick
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if Larry is meant to be me
let me say tony is a hero to me
at a time when i was getting back into pool
he was one of the first to analyze my stroke and make recommendations that were very helpful
you all can carry on with the debate of the pendulum stroke
if Larry is meant to be me
let me say tony is a hero to me
at a time when i was getting back into pool
he was one of the first to analyze my stroke and make recommendations that were very helpful
you all can carry on with the debate of the pendulum stroke
Yeah 'Larry',
I was referring to you, but I was being a bit sarcastic with the 'hero' comment.
Also, I was not attempting to put Tony down in any way. I was just hoping to maybe encourage him into giving an explanation.
Rick
Now that Mr. Obstinate has me on ignore, I will post this little video showing that using the pendulum stroke, the cue will indeed be "level" for several inches before contact. (level as the table allows) Just in case there were any that actually thought his bogus claims had any merit:wink:...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNIW3zwmeYo&feature=youtu.be
I suggest placing a piece of paper along the line of my cue, then hit play, pause, play, pause, ect. That way, you can readily see just how far the cue stays on the same plane.
Then yet, maybe I'm doing it wrong because my cue doesn't describe a large arc like he says it's supposed to.???
edit: oops, my hand hit my chest! My alignment must be way off! Darn!
I suggest placing a piece of paper along the line of my cue, then hit play, pause, play, pause, ect. That way, you can readily see just how far the cue stays on the same plane.
Then yet, maybe I'm doing it wrong because my cue doesn't describe a large arc like he says it's supposed to.???
edit: oops, my hand hit my chest! My alignment must be way off! Darn!
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Geez Neil,I wonder if he is going to peek?
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Maybe later. He's still licking his wounds from trying to slam us in another couple of threads, and getting roasted for it. :wink: