What cue stroke are you using?

[ENGLISH!]

ENGLISH!, your too damn gullible, stop letting theses guys have fun at your expense.

Everyone here knows that the pivot stroke causes the rear of the cue to move through a arc and subsequently, the tip moves on an inverse of that arc.

The ONLY point that truly matters is that the cue tip consistently returns precisely the same point at impact in relation to where it started. It doesn't matter in any way how it does that, the CB will never know what the cue tip was doing milliseconds before impact.

For many people, fixing the whole system to one hinged point, (pivot stroke) is just easier and more reliable. It's easier for many to learn, especially those that don't put a ton of time into playing, and it's also easier for most to repeat consistently. This is why it is so commonly taught by so many instructors, it offers many gains and very few shortcomings.

Bottom line, there is no "Best", only what's best for you.

Stop feeding the troll attack , they're having way too much fun.

Thanks.

Honest & sincere people usually are a bit gullible. Usually in the real world where there is more than just text to go on, I'm not.

I'm only responding because I don't want anyone to think that the cue is moving 'level' or straight for several inches when as I see it & you have stated it does not.

To assert that it does implies that there is a margin for error in the up & down direction that is not there.

If these guys are willing to mislead everyone that reads AZB looking to improve just to have their fun at my expanse & possibly all of those peoples' expense...
then shame on them.

Thanks for the suggestion &
Best Wishes,
Rick

PS Did you vote? If not please do.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Rick, I don't mind answering questions from serious people. I do mind when it is done like you are now doing. Now you are just trying to be a jerk. You are succeeding admirably! If you can't answer those questions yourself, you need to immediately get away from anything pool related.

You are a master at deception & diversion.

Do you know from where those come & who invented them?

I'm sure you are very PROUD of your abilities.

False pride goes hand in hand with the other two.

 

[Ratta]

Lmao creedo......
You me the coffee which is now all over table here.....roflmao


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[Neil]

Thanks.

I'm only responding because I don't want anyone to think that the cue is moving 'level' or straight for several inches when as I see it & you have stated it does not. To assert that it does implies that there is a margin for error in the up & down direction that is not there.

If these guys are willing to mislead everyone that reads AZB looking to improve just to have their fun at my expanse & possibly all of those peoples' expense then shame on them.

Thanks for the suggestion &
Best Wishes,
Rick

PS Did you vote? If not please do.

How dare you make an insinuation like that! That is exactly what you do here Rick, and for you to imply that the actual instructors do that is disgusting. You say you want to be friends, then make statements like that. I'd say you should be ashamed, but you have no shame. No desire to learn anything, just here to cause problems for those that actually do try and help others. People like you are a bane on this forum and in life in general. The proof of what I just said lies in the fact that you repeatedly have had it all explained to you in detail, yet you persist in denigrating it and the people that teach and use it. You get some kind of sick joy out of it. You have been banned for it, yet you persist in the same actions.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Rick, just how many times do you need it explained to you? It's been explained to you in detail at least half a dozen times in the past. All you have to do it go to the table yourself and you will readily see the answers to your questions yourself. Yet, you keep harping on it like no one will help you. Randy is not going to say anymore to you because of how you act on here. He's not going to get in a pissing contest with you like you always want to do. You obviously don't really want to know, so he has left you alone.

Again you make false assumptions & statements.

I am not looking for any help for me. By now I am sure that everyone but maybe you knows that I don't & never will use a complete pendulum stroke.

No definitive explanation has been offered. I tried your suggestion just to confirm my suspicion & I was correct. Your suggestion actually increases the slope of the arc which actually increases the chance for error as it is even more dependent on a perfect set up.

Why don't you put an end to ALL of this & just give a bio-mechanical explanation in no uncertain terms, with no nonsense. Don't do it for me. Do it for all those that just read AZB looking to improve. Maybe you can get them to want to use the pendulum stroke & seek out lessons from a certified instructor that can teach it. The 'pendulum sweet spot' thread is nearly at 7,000. It's up 1,000 views since I bumped it just a very short time ago.

Or will you dodge it again saying that I have already been told?

If you are not a troll, what are you, an instructor that won't teach? One that cares so much for all those trying to improve that goes back & deletes ALL of his posts so no one can benefit from HIS knowledge because they don't appreciate it enough. How selfish & childish is that.

You won't give a real explanation because either you can't or one does not exist. But you will come back with some silly reason as to why you won't.

Prove me wrong. Give a solid bio-mechanical explanation & I will be the first to say that you are right & I was wrong. You see, unlike you I am not afraid to say I was wrong. I invite you to give me a reason to say it.

Have a great day.

 

[ENGLISH!]

How dare you make an insinuation like that! That is exactly what you do here Rick, and for you to imply that the actual instructors do that is disgusting. You say you want to be friends, then make statements like that. I'd say you should be ashamed, but you have no shame. No desire to learn anything, just here to cause problems for those that actually do try and help others. People like you are a bane on this forum and in life in general. The proof of what I just said lies in the fact that you repeatedly have had it all explained to you in detail, yet you persist in denigrating it and the people that teach and use it. You get some kind of sick joy out of it. You have been banned for it, yet you persist in the same actions.

Rifle is the one that suggested it & you missed one very little but very important word... I said IF.

Rifle's suggestion was not regarding all instructors just as mine was not.

I am fairly sure that he was referring to YOU, SEAN, & perhaps Tony.

Again you make false statements. Show where a detailed explanation has been given.

You have worn me out, I am tired of wishing you anything good.

PS Did Mr. Wilson specifically inform you as to the reason for my short suspension or can you read his mind too. Because the quote when he did it was when I responded to one of nobcity's insults sort of promising to engage him in verbal confrontations.

PSS That thread was also going rather well until you jumped in with your trolling. I even asked for it to be closed when you turned it south & if it had been I most probably would not have been suspended. I'll wait to see if you give a pendulum explanation but if don't & come back with more of this worthless 'stuff' I'm putting you on ignore where most of your drivel should be.

 

[Neil]

Again you make false assumptions & statements.

I am not looking for any help for me. By now I am sure that everyone but maybe you knows that I don't & never will use a complete pendulum stroke.

No definitive explanation has been offered. I tried your suggestion just to confirm my suspicion & I was correct. Your suggestion actually increases the slope of the arc which actually increases the chance for error as it is even more dependent on a perfect set up.

Why don't you put an end to ALL of this & just give a bio-mechanical explanation in no uncertain terms, with no nonsense. Don't do it for me. Do it for all those that just read AZB looking to improve. Maybe you can get them to want to use the pendulum stroke & seek out lessons from a certified instructor that can teach it. The 'pendulum sweet spot' thread is nearly at 7,000. It's up 1,000 views since I bumped it just a very short time ago.

Or will you dodge it again saying that I have already been told?

If you are not a troll, what are you, an instructor that won't teach? One that cares so much for all those trying to improve that goes back & deletes ALL of his posts so no one can benefit from HIS knowledge because they don't appreciate it enough. How selfish & childish is that.

You won't give a real explanation because either you can't or one does not exist. But you will come back with some silly reason as to why you won't.

Prove me wrong. Give a solid bio-mechanical explanation & I will be the first to say that you are right & I was wrong. You see, unlike you I am not afraid to say I was wrong. I invite you to give me a reason to say it.

Have a great day.

Maybe you will get others to believe your garbage, but I'm not falling for it. Why on earth should I give it to you yet again? If others want it, they are free to search it. It's all there. I deleted my posts because of people like you. People that don't want this to be a good place to go, but instead only always want to cause trouble. I don't like being a part of a place like that. I came back to help. You have again given me reason to leave, and others not to bother with this place. Impossible to have a decent conversation with anything with guys like you around. You can make all the "twists" to it you want. It doesn't change who and what you are.

And, you didn't try anything I suggested. You made that clear. You might have gone to a table, took one extremely poor stab at something that a banger might call a stroke, and then came right back and said it didn't work. You aren't fooling anyone here but yourself.

 

[StraightPoolIU]

I've seen people want to argue over some ridiculous stuff, but man this is up there. If you're worried about a "bio-mechanical explanation" of something involving pool you may be in the weeds just a bit. Just sayin'.

 

[ENGLISH!]

I've seen people want to argue over some ridiculous stuff, but man this is up there. If you're worried about a "bio-mechanical explanation" of something involving pool you may be in the weeds just a bit. Just sayin'.

Hey,

Please keep in mind that it is not me that started this subject here.

randyG made an assertion in another thread & ALL I did was ask for an explanation as I don't see what he said happening with a fixed elbow completely pendulum stroke.

'Keep your elbow still & swing your arm' is a bio-mechanical directive.

And yes. It can be dangerous in the weeds. One has to watch out for snakes that can bite you & send you where you might not want to go.

I think I might be being taken that path now.

So... I think I will just let it lay. I've said what I feel that I must more than a few times.

Best Wishes,
Rick

 

[Tony_in_MD]

Forget it. I thought there was a spark of hope for you. I see know I was wrong.

In closing as you will now be on ignore I will say this. If you want to tilt at windmills like the famous fictional character. I will dub thee Sir Knowastroke: the supreme Jester of the J Stroke.

Have a nice life. Bye bye.

Please see post #84.

Taking one sentence out of several paragraphs can make a statement have a whole different appearance.

The point of that post was to point out that one does not have to watch the cue move to perform a 'piston stroke' as Sean was suggesting. Also the focus of this 'dispute' is not on the side to side aspect of either stroke but on the up & down aspect of each stroke.

Your taking that one statement apart from the rest leaves a lot out.

Best Wishes,
Rick

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[ENGLISH!]

Forget it. I thought there was a spark of hope for you. I see know I was wrong.

In closing as you will now be on ignore I will say this. If you want to tilt at windmills like the famous fictional character. I will dub thee Sir Knowastroke: the supreme Jester of the J Stroke.

Have a nice life. Bye bye.

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Hey Tony,

Is it possible that you misinterpreted my reference to post #84?

I thought there was hope too & that maybe we were working toward an amicable understanding.

But...I guess I made a mistake by asking you to explain 'the assertion'. I guess you had to dodge it somehow.

You want to make 'fun' of me?

How about I dub you... no I won't stoop. I'll let you play on the One Way Street that so many of you want to play on.

Best Wishes to You & Your Family,
Rick

PS If you ever have a change of heart or conscientious I'll be open minded.

 

[CreeDo]

This topic is as dangerous as aiming when it comes to causing endless and heated arguments.
They probably need a subforum for it.

 

[ENGLISH!]

This topic is as dangerous as aiming when it comes to causing endless and heated arguments.
They probably need a subforum for it.

I was thinking the same thing earlier today.

Maybe then I would not feel so much like The Lone Ranger.:wink:

 

[RRfireblade]

We have been saying the same thing you just said, but we are the trolls? My gosh, some of you have reading problems.

I never named anyone specifically. Curious you applied it to yourself tho.



Its pretty obvious most here are simply arguing for the sake of an argument, name calling , belittling and insulting knowing full well where its going to lead while "pretending" to intend otherwise.

Baiting/trolling/whatever.....its all the same. Its only an insult if you take it as such.

 

[Pidge]

Well this turned into a whole bunch of crap pretty quick. Shame.

I don't see why people would straight up argue on an internet forum about arm movements and what arm movements fall into what definition category. What difference does it make? Ball goes in hole, ball doesn't go in hole. Doesn't matter how you get said ball in hole, aslong as it does.

Its just petty and at the end of the day falls pretty close to bullying.

 

[Banks]

What difference does it make? Ball goes in hole, ball doesn't go in hole. Doesn't matter how you get said ball in hole, aslong as it does.

If I'm missing a lot, my elbow comes in. If I don't miss much, I just hit the ball. Pretty much what Pidge said.

Edit: Sometimes I shoot more upright, sometimes I get down on my shot, sometimes I take my time, sometimes I don't. If you want to learn how to do something consistently, don't do what I do because it'll just screw you up. Bad cue, bad form, bad everything. Just in the right combination.

 

[Tony_in_MD]

I never named anyone specifically. Curious you applied it to yourself tho.



Its pretty obvious most here are simply arguing for the sake of an argument, name calling , belittling and insulting knowing full well where its going to lead while "pretending" to intend otherwise.

Baiting/trolling/whatever.....its all the same. Its only an insult if you take it as such.

Well for my part I will say this. I did not get involved until the made the ludicrous statement that I called him on for a wager. After he back peddled as I knew he would and I set the terms.

As you recall he responded and I pleased that he finally saw my point but still held that I took his sentence out of context. (Pure bs) and then something to the effect of money. Which was never stated.

As far as his challenge to me, it ain't gonna happen as I am away from home for the next year with this new job. My table and equipment is not with me. When I do go home to see my lovely wife the LAST thing I plan to do is video my stroke. If he wants this he needs to contact Randy. Randy is a very mellow guy but at this point I don't know if he would talk to him either.

I really lost my cool when I read his opus on how instructors are misleading people on this forum. Which led to my final act of bridge burning. These interactions are a two way street he bears some responsibility too.

I refuse to give the OP any more of the attention he so desperately craves. Putting him on ignore is the best thing I can do.

Besides the bright side is that I don't have to read his long posts on a two inch phone screen or type replies with my thumb.


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[MSchaffer]

Just to keep this thread alive (as I am very entertained by it); I am 100% on Neil's side.

 

[Tony_in_MD]

Well this turned into a whole bunch of crap pretty quick. Shame.

I don't see why people would straight up argue on an internet forum about arm movements and what arm movements fall into what definition category. What difference does it make? Ball goes in hole, ball doesn't go in hole. Doesn't matter how you get said ball in hole, aslong as it does.

Its just petty and at the end of the day falls pretty close to bullying.

The most sensible post in this whole pointless thread.

I know of two basic classifications of stokes pendulum and piston

What do we have here

J stoke
Piston J stoke
Mini piston J stroke

What kind of stoke do I use for a full masse is that an inverted pendulum?

Who wants to classify and name stokes and more important who cares?


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[backplaying]

I have been leaning more toward a cinch/dog stroke lately.