SVB says the BarTableChampionshups are played this way in reply to Cory saying no one plays that way.
What disagreement happened in this Corey-Shane match (video)?
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Especially because he just let Corey shoot at stripes and then called him on it. He should have said something before he shot if he thought he was about to break a rule- as Corey said.
By the way, you will be hard pressed to find anybody shoot a better set of bar table 8 ball than Corey did in that set. I think he had at least 16 break and runs.
I played under that rule where you had to take what you made the most of in bars for about a decade, admittedly a long time ago! It kind of makes sense when you consider that "take what you make" was the rule when you made one ball. Open table and the breaker's shot makes the most sense of all but that wasn't even a consideration!
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Corey doesn't generally break rules but he seems to have made much of his career out of bending them severely! Apparently not illegal with the rack your own one pocket rules at DCC but one year he had a very high finish. After putting the balls in position he would very blatantly pull the balls back starting at the third row! Slug racked himself nicely and it worked very well with the typical one pocket safe break. Corey has probably put more time and effort into skirting the rules than any pro in his same time period. Shane has probably put more hours in on the break than anyone except maybe Corey. A high probability of heads banging when they meet.
Hu
Under both WPA (World-Standardized) and CSI rules, the table is open after the break.
Sometimes event organizers want to make it a bit tougher and use the "take what you make more of" rule (open if you make the same number of each). This rule was used in the last couple of Accu-Stats Make-It-Happen Invitational events and in Darren Appleton's World Pool Series.
A variation on take what you make is that the table is open unless the balls you make are all from the same group. That rule was used in a couple of challenge matches in the last two years.
I better have a talk then with the people than run "APA rules" 8 ball where I am, I was always told that if whatever you make more of that is what you are when I asked abut the rules.
I thought the general rules of pool was you have to make the rack "as tight as possible", so deliberately adding gaps or being lazy about getting them together would be unsportsmanlike conduct, deliberately skirting the rules.
I remember an incident with Corey where he broke clearly soft where the rules were no soft breaks, and when someone pointed that out he said "that's as hard as I can break them" all innocent like LOL
There are a few players that I would keep an eye on from seeing how they act, Corey, Mika and Dennis Orcullo. All seem to start acting up when it seems like there may be issues with them winning inside the rules.
I would have thought the maneuver would be illegal but I saw it over and over on the video for two matches. Best I recall that got Corey to second place in the one pocket in 2005 or 2006. He made absolutely no effort to hide what he was doing. Corey goes over the rules with a fine toothed comb and comes up with shots in the gray area if nothing else. If I were running a tournament and that happened I would slap him with an unsportsmanlike, the exact same thing when guys started climbing on the tables in the short lived IPT. No specific rule against it but I would use a general rule to shut something down that was damaging to an event I was running.
HU
I had a bar owner pull that rule out on me after fleecing his regulars for an hour or so...
The guy puts his coin in, racks, I break and run down to the eight knowing I'm going to touch off the rail and carom into the corner off one of his balls. I call all aspects of the shot. Which was the standard practice in a bar. He tells me I can't do that.
I respond with: "Well that's a stupid rule."
--"It's a house rule"
-"Well then who owns the house?"
--"I do...."
I didn't bother shooting, and just gave him the win. Pretty sure new rules were going to be continually declared until I lost anyway...lol
Yes you should. I'm surprised the people who run the league don't know the rule. Ok, maybe I'm not. Page 45 of your 'Official Team Manual'...
I think all of us that have rambled even across a city have ran into those ever evolving local rules. I generally rolled with it but then nailed the local when they tripped over one of their own rules they had just made up and were feeling mighty smug about. Calling them on their own crapola has turned a hostile crowd into a friendly one sometimes. Of course I have led many a parade to my vehicle too.
Hu
Had this happen for $10. I shot the 8 down the rail and of course it touched the rail a couple of times on a Valley bar box. He said I didnt call the rails. LMFAO I told him he could have the $10 and the table, wasn't worth my time.
The problem is they are playing 8 ball
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8 ball on a 7ft table is harder than 9ft table, especially take what you make. There is no traffic on a 9ft table, you just have to make the shots.
"You didn't make it clean!!" lol
As you can see from the contents of this thread, there is no universal agreement as to the correct rules for the game of Eight Ball. In my experience there are almost as many sets of "rules" at there are places to play. In almost every state and in every locale that I ever played in they played by different rules and you just had to learn them for yourself. Kind of "let the buyer beware" so to speak. If you don't know the rules, that's tough luck. Different leagues and different tournaments also had their own specific rules they play by, to this day.
If there was one "universal" rule that was used most everywhere, it was that if you make the eight on the break you win the game (as long as you don't scratch, and then it would be a loss). Then one day the BCA decided that you no longer win if you make the eight on the break. It spots back up and you continue shooting. Whoever the genius was who figured that one out, needs to be spanked. Making the eight on the break is a rare occurrence and should be rewarded. Far harder than making the nine ball on the break! And that's still a win last time I checked.
If there was one "universal" rule that was used most everywhere, it was that if you make the eight on the break you win the game (as long as you don't scratch, and then it would be a loss). Then one day the BCA decided that you no longer win if you make the eight on the break. It spots back up and you continue shooting. Whoever the genius was who figured that one out, needs to be spanked. Making the eight on the break is a rare occurrence and should be rewarded. Far harder than making the nine ball on the break! And that's still a win last time I checked.
I thought about if the 8 goes on the break then you must finish one suit per any other rules or you lose but never played it that way. It hardly comes up anyway unless you use the second ball break and then it will rarely come up.