What do you say to a bad rack?

Don't Crack 'em

Silence is consent. If you don't say anything before the break, don't say anything at all. What I do is equalize; anyone in the know will know. I give as good as I get, plus a little. Through my years of this marvelous game I have probably racked more games than 75% of the forum have played. I don't say a word about racks and after a bit the wayward bad racker comes to a religous moment and gets righteous with the rack when it is in their hand.:rolleyes:
 
I have absolutely NO problem asking for a re-rack if I think the rack looks loose or off angle. Some do it on purpose, others not so much. Everyone locally knows that I will walk up and check the rack, so I rarely run into it anymore, but if I do, I explain to them the problem, invite them up for a look-see, and then kindly ask them for a re-rack. Doesn't get me worked up at all, but boy howdy, for those trying to intentionally give you a bad rack, it can get them kinda twisted...LoL!

Lisa ====> flat out won't accept a sloppy rack.
 
I would say about every one that gambles has seen a bad rack or two. Every time i get one i just ask for a rerack if they dont like it just quit. Always remember you don't have to play just like they don't have to bad rack you?!
 
XxMerlinxX said:
Do you say anything to an opponent who is obviously giving you bad racks? If they're positioning balls to where I might be at a disadvantage after the break, normally I don't say anything, I just play them how they roll. I don't think I've ever asked for a re-rack. If they're racking the balls loose, which may be hard to spot until after you've already hit the break, normally I'll ask them to tighten the rack.
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First you should be checking the rack, even if you are playing with a trusted friend, balls can roll out a little. Next if a rack is bad tell them what the problem is and have them re-rack the balls. If you don't check the rack you have nothing to complain about, because the problem is your's.

Enough Said!!!!!!!!:smile:
 
manwon said:
first you should be checking the rack, even if you are playing with a trusted friend, balls can roll out a little. Next if a rack is bad tell them what the problem is and have them re-rack the balls. If you don't check the rack you have nothing to complain about, because the problem is your's.

Enough said!!!!!!!!:smile:
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amen!!!!!!!!
 
ShootingArts said:
You still have the same issues with rack your own. Pattern racking, favorable gaps now, and the positioning of the rack. For starters nine ball needs to be in only two set patterns, a standard pattern and the reverse of that pattern. Secondly they need to add another ball.

Hu
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Hu, I personally think the 9 ball should be invisible, now that would completely solve those issues!!!!:D
 
RRfireblade said:
If it gets excessive , I just start safety breaking. Little inside cut soft break and leave them hooked behind the rack. Then I usually say something like "You racked it" as I walk back to my seat chuckling.
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I thought of this in APA 9 ball but I ended up pocketing a ball every time and shafting myself. This is very hard to do as I practiced this for about 10 minutes. Plus, in the APA soft breaking is NOT allowed.

About the only thing you can do is to inspect the rack like a hawk and ask for a re-rack whenever necessary. Eventually, they will get the message. Most people in the APA don't give a crap. They just throw up one sloppy rack after another. I get so frustrated I give them sloppy racks when they aren't watching. To hell with them.
 
Point in time

Where I have seen it between pro players is only when it's necessary, for example when your opponent is on the hill and breaking. During an IPT qualifier (8-ball) Shin Park was playing Cliff Joyner, Shin was playing well and got to the hill, I believe it was hill-hill, and that final rack it was like the balls were cemented to the table. Also, I recall Chavez talking about playing Tony Watson for money, and when Chavez was on the hill the balls didn't break. He complained, and Watson said "you should have checked." Lower level players may do slug racks more often, but to be effective among pro players it has to be used selectively.
 
If I hit the rack and nothing happens I look at the racker... give them a dirty look and tell them they gave me a 'slug' rack. I check the next one.

I like Hu's suggestion. Let them know up front that you know how to handle racking problems.
 
In one of the first tourneys I played in some clown was racking nine ball and the one rolled off the spot more than half an inch. The racker looked up and saw I wasn't looking at him for the moment and left it.

I'd seen it roll out and turned my head away to see what he'd do. I ended up bringing half a dozen people over to see the rack he gave me knowing the one had rolled off. People laughed at him for a good 5 minutes.

He was a crappy 8 ball player who couldn't kick so I three fouled him 2 or 3 times in the match just to piss him off. I won 5-1 because I moved the cueball when it had almost stopped rolling after I made the nine one game. He called a foul and it was loss of game even though the cueball rolled right to the middle of the short rail with no chance of scratching.

Some players are just b!tches.
 
XxMerlinxX said:
Do you say anything to an opponent who is obviously giving you bad racks? If they're positioning balls to where I might be at a disadvantage after the break, normally I don't say anything, I just play them how they roll. I don't think I've ever asked for a re-rack. If they're racking the balls loose, which may be hard to spot until after you've already hit the break, normally I'll ask them to tighten the rack.
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I only check the front three balls. If the 1 ball is out I will say something otherwise I don't.
Often when balls are loose corner balls will go straight in. A real good tight rack it is harder to make balls on the break.
 
swrooster said:
Silence is consent. If you don't say anything before the break, don't say anything at all. What I do is equalize; anyone in the know will know. I give as good as I get, plus a little. Through my years of this marvelous game I have probably racked more games than 75% of the forum have played. I don't say a word about racks and after a bit the wayward bad racker comes to a religous moment and gets righteous with the rack when it is in their hand.:rolleyes:
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You have racked more then 75% of the people on this forum? Don't you ever win a game?
 
I have no problem asking for a rerack too. I've had some guys come up and rerack it themselves, whatever blows your skirt up. The only problem I have is some guy did that and moved the balls into a pattern. That didn't fly, lolz. I cured one guy of that with a slug rack of the century. When he broke the balls moved about a foot, the blank, dolt expression on his face was priceless. :D
 
In our little Wed night 9-ball tourney, most people take pride in giving a tight rack....and many of the tables have divots in the racking area, so it takes some talent.....if it's a little loose, after working it for a minute, I just offer to rerack if there isn't a good spread....lucky that the Wednesday night group is a bunch of top shelf people, I rarely have an issue.....

There is an idiot that shows up every now and then that has decided the way to get a tight rack is to bang the balls down into the table....now I know why most of the tables have the nice pits in them :angry:

For people that work outside of the rules, my new word is forfeit....on the positioning balls thing, if I see someone positioning balls in a 9-ball rack, I just ask them if they are forfeiting.....when they ask what for, I politely remind them that the 1 is on top, the 9 in the middle, and the rest are at random - moving balls around is not "random", so do you want to forfeit??? :D

Oh, and like Mac, I have come to realize that loose balls at the bottom of the rack seem to promote more movement on the 9, so a loose rack seems very risky....
 
I'm not sure what I would say to a bad rack. Hell, I can't even get one ball to listen to me, yelling at 9 of them grouped together could be quite intimidating. :)
 
Not yet

macguy said:
You have racked more then 75% of the people on this forum? Don't you ever win a game?
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I'm really old, played a long time and and at last count have won six games!!! I've come close lots of times, but they got lucky on me.
 
You get in their face and ask them to play for $30/game and throw the fact that they need to give you bad racks to win at them. Then call them a punk and to go F-themselves when they won't play, then bug them the next few times to play till the either do or they start racking correctly.

At least that's what I did with a guy that I know won't swing on me, man I need to stop drinking. Ha ha.
 
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