What Do you think would be a fair game?

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Johnnyt

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What do think you would need in a race to 11 playing 9-ball against a pro like John Schmidt for $100 or more a set?

Please the rating you feel you are also....A, B, C, D. I'm a "B" on a BB. I believe I would need the wild 8 and the breaks. Johnnyt
 
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I've been beaten so bad by A and Open players that I feel a top pro like Schmidt could give me the world.

I'm a C+/B- player normally, middle B when I'm playing well.

I'd need 5 out breaks, and BIH after break.

Or, play even and have to win 2 games to his 11.

Before anyone calls me a nit and that is ridiculous weight, I base my statement of having personally played and lost to several A and open players over the years for decent cash.
 
Johnnyt said:
What do think you would need in a race to 11 playing 9-ball against a pro like John Schmidt for $100 or more a set?

Please the rating you feel you are also....A, B, C, D. I'm a "B" on a BB. I believe I would need the wild 8 and the breaks. Johnnyt
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Johnnyt,

If you are realistically a B player, and not an A, then the 8 and the breaks would not be enough.

Figure it this way.. If you break and don't make a ball, you lose.

If you break and make a ball, but are hooked on the 1.. You lose.

If you have to play a safety, and don't leave it nearly frozen to the object ball, he kicks and either makes it on a multiway shot, or kicks and resafes you, better than you safed him. You prolly lose outright on this about 65% of the time if you play a weak safety.

If you miss the safety, whether or not you leave a shot, you lose.

So, all in all.. If you are not breaking and running out MINIMUM 40% of the time, the break ain't worth a lot. If you are, then you are not a B player..You are a solid A player.

Russ
 
Johnnyt said:
What do think you would need in a race to 11 playing 9-ball against a pro like John Schmidt for $100 or more a set?

Please the rating you feel you are also....A, B, C, D. I'm a "B" on a BB. I believe I would need the wild 8 and the breaks. Johnnyt
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After recently playing Johnny Archer I have thought about this a lot. I am not sure what kind of ball spot I would need from Johnny but it would be huge.

I am maybe a "B" player but I "think" I would have a chance if he gave me 80 games in a race to 100. That's pretty sad after how long I've been playing (20+ years) but but I think it is realistic. :)
 
Russ Chewning said:
Johnnyt,

If you are realistically a B player, and not an A, then the 8 and the breaks would not be enough.

Figure it this way.. If you break and don't make a ball, you lose.

If you break and make a ball, but are hooked on the 1.. You lose.

If you have to play a safety, and don't leave it nearly frozen to the object ball, he kicks and either makes it on a multiway shot, or kicks and resafes you, better than you safed him. You prolly lose outright on this about 65% of the time if you play a weak safety.

If you miss the safety, whether or not you leave a shot, you lose.

So, all in all.. If you are not breaking and running out MINIMUM 40% of the time, the break ain't worth a lot. If you are, then you are not a B player..You are a solid A player.

Russ
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Russ, I agree with you. I don't think a B level player can't win with the wild 8 and the break against Schmidt. But, the break is very important when playing top level players. I think a B level player has to have the break and a ball spot. If a top level player gets to break after they win a game, they will put packages together. And, the B level player. if with a ball spot only, can't put packages together the way a top level player can.

JohnnyT, I'm not saying you can't win with break and wild 8. Just saying B level players in general.

Steven Burrus from Guthrie, OK (cause I don't want anybody thinking I hide behind an internet handle)
 
Rubyron said:
I am maybe a "B" player but I "think" I would have a chance if he gave me 80 games in a race to 100. That's pretty sad after how long I've been playing (20+ years) but but I think it is realistic. :)
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80 games only? Without the breaks?

Yikes!

Against a B player... Johnny will win probably 95% of the games he gets a shot in. I know that doesn't sound realistic, but I would say it is close.

He's never gonna give you a shot at a pocket. MIGHT miss a shot once every 10 games.. And when he does, you usually won't be able to get out because he was playing a shot/safety. Look at it this way..If you don't take the break away, Johnny is gonna break and run out on you 30% of the time..AT LEAST.

He'll make a ball roughly 60% of the time, unless you get him on a supertight table..If you do that, then you gotta run out..On a supertight table. Of the times he makes a ball, I submit you lose at least 95% of the time, unless you kick safe REAL good.

I think if you get to break every game, and have a decent break, then 80 games is a reasonable spot, with no ball weight.

The superpros like Johnny and Efren really are on another level. It's really hard for B players to match up with them.

Legitimate B players don't have a break and run percentage much over 10%, I'd say.

Russ
 
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Russ Chewning said:
80 games only? Without the breaks?

Yikes!

Against a B player... Johnny will win probably 95% of the games he gets a shot in. I know that doesn't sound realistic, but I would say it is close.

He's never gonna give you a shot at a pocket. MIGHT miss a shot once every 10 games.. And when he does, you usually won't be able to get out because he was playing a shot/safety. Look at it this way..If you don't take the break away, Johnny is gonna break and run out on you 30% of the time..AT LEAST.

He'll make a ball roughly 60% of the time, unless you get him on a supertight table..If you do that, then you gotta run out..On a supertight table. Of the times he makes a ball, I submit you lose at least 95% of the time, unless you kick safe REAL good.

I think if you get to break every game, and have a decent break, then 80 games is a reasonable spot, with no ball weight.

The superpros like Johnny and Efren really are on another level. It's really hard for B players to match up with them.

Legitimate B players don't have a break and run percentage much over 10%, I'd say.

Russ
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Ok, maybe I'm dreaming. :D

One reason I couldn't think of a fair ball spot in a race to 11 is because it would depend on how well he is breaking. If he is breaking well and maintaining control of the table I might never get a decent shot. In that case no spot would help me. It doesn't always go like that though.

In a race to 100 no matter how good he plays there would be many chances to shoot (unless he broke like Donny did against SVB).

I do think a "B" player would have a chance but would have to play their very best to get to 20 against a top pro.
 
pro bar box

Bar Box 9-Ball should be an easy game for almost all players. If you want to take a spot into play it becomes difficult for ANY opponent to win wether they are ranked professionally or not. There are so many outcomes with any spot on a 7ft that unless you play Even whoever has the spot has the advantage besides I would say a C or Below Player in that case they shouldnt be playing ANYONE for money. For Example B Player Vs Pro SHOULD get the 6 out and many games on the wire with more than likely the breaks. Thats 4 money balls for the B player on each break and many chances at splashing in near half the rack. If the pro is playing like he should he would be playing jam up and would play dead safe on the B player if he for some reason cant run out causing a foul each time or just simply break and run each rack. Myself being a A+ player vs. a Pro I would simply determine with the Pro what spot he will give me and run with it. Though if it was MY choice at the spot in 7ft 9-ball vs. a Pro knowing myself its a game I more than likely wouldnt even get into. As playing 7ft 9-ball is an extremely bad game for anyone vs. a Pro unless it is Pro vs. Pro.
 
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I agree with most, an A player needs at least the breaks and wild 8, a b player the breaks and wild 7,8. And to me this is only on a bar box. 9 footers ya need even more. I beat Robin Dotson at Hard Times in a tourney about 10 to 11 years ago, playin off the wall. (My pool claim to fame) And I wouldn't play with the wild 7,8 and breaks on a 9 foot, but I'd need it on a bar box. Break dry you lose.
 
mmmmm If i had money to burn lol....


If i was playing Mr Schmidt, on a 9ft table.... I think to make it fair I would need the breaks the 6 & 8 + the last two..... And I am a C player.....

I say this because I've played a "aa" rated player with the 5 & 7 winner breaks on a diamond pro am and it was a very close match.....
 
Johnnyt said:
What do think you would need in a race to 11 playing 9-ball against a pro like John Schmidt for $100 or more a set?

Please the rating you feel you are also....A, B, C, D. I'm a "B" on a BB. I believe I would need the wild 8 and the breaks. Johnnyt
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revised - just realized you're talking bar box. I don't play on them.

Chris
 
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StormHotRod300 said:
mmmmm If i had money to burn lol....


If i was playing Mr Schmidt, on a 9ft table.... I think to make it fair I would need the breaks the 6 & 8 + the last two..... And I am a C player.....

I say this because I've played a "aa" rated player with the 5 & 7 winner breaks on a diamond pro am and it was a very close match.....
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Richie Richeson used to give B players the last 6 and the breaks in Tampa.

And John is quite a bit better than Richie.

Honestly...You gotta run to your money ball to win..The last two will not mean anything.

John can spot that "aa" player the 7, prolly.

Russ
 
TATE said:
revised - just realized you're talking bar box. I don't play on them.

Chris
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I'm talking 7, 8, or 9' table. I only said what I think I'd need on a BB because that's all I play on anymore. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
What do think you would need in a race to 11 playing 9-ball against a pro like John Schmidt for $100 or more a set?

Please the rating you feel you are also....A, B, C, D. I'm a "B" on a BB. I believe I would need the wild 8 and the breaks. Johnnyt
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To make it a fair game, probably 4 games. Meaning, if I get to 7, I win. For $100 a set though, I would take less just because it would be a great experience for me.
 
Well I think most of you guys would pull up real fast only getting a ball and the breaks on a barbox from a top pro if you ever played it. I saw Shane give two solid A- players the 5 out and the breaks in 10 ball in Valley Forge on a Diamond barbox and stay neck and neck with them. I know that's 10 ball, but I'd say 5 out and breaks in 10 ball is WAY more weight than 8 and breaks in 9 ball.

On a full size table, the pro would have an even bigger advantage.

My opinion is anyone who is not an A player on a 9 footer (my definition of A is being able to beat the ghost), couldn't beat a top pro no matter what the weight is on a 9 footer. Its just a completely different league of player.
 
Johnnyt said:
What do think you would need in a race to 11 playing 9-ball against a pro like John Schmidt for $100 or more a set?

Please the rating you feel you are also....A, B, C, D. I'm a "B" on a BB. I believe I would need the wild 8 and the breaks. Johnnyt
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All these opinions and the most important variable was barely discussed, the equipment. think before posting. ;) :)


on a bar box giving up the 8 and the pop to a A- player who is a barbox player is tough action.


on a 9' Diamond the 8 and the break, JS is going to make a easy score.
 
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