What happened to Black Phenolic?
- Thread starter TomHay
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Probably me. The butt section cut fine yesterday. Maybe I better relearn or practice tool sharpening.
No, I had it spinning right, it was while using the parting knife.
You bought it from atlas. Their double black has gone to crap. I spoke with several other cuemakers who ran into the same issue. It is like the resin is not fully hardened or has a very low melting point.
I called atlas and spoke with the guy there and he acted like i was the only one who had run across the issue. Then at the sbe i spoke with several guys who bad also and they called as well. I was offered a credit for whatever unused material i send back. Problem is I already made several hundred rings from the tubes.
NOTE TO ALL COMPANYS! WHEN YOU OUTSOURCE OFFSHORE AND THE QUALITY GOES TO CRAP, PEOPLE NOTICE.
Prather has good phenolic, call them.
I called atlas and spoke with the guy there and he acted like i was the only one who had run across the issue. Then at the sbe i spoke with several guys who bad also and they called as well. I was offered a credit for whatever unused material i send back. Problem is I already made several hundred rings from the tubes.
NOTE TO ALL COMPANYS! WHEN YOU OUTSOURCE OFFSHORE AND THE QUALITY GOES TO CRAP, PEOPLE NOTICE.
Prather has good phenolic, call them.
The quality from all manufacutrers has dropped since the major makers of it have been bought out and taken over by new owners. I call the best that is out there now "decent" by the early 1990's standards. Just like Pearl Rod. The main supplier died and no one else has reached the quality he made for the industry for decades. Linen Based Melamine ferrule material is also way down in quality from the 1990's stuff. I guess the older guys who would actually totally clean a machine before running new material and therfore hold good quality have retired. Many Tip makers also seem to be following the trend of dropping quality. Hopefully your tip maker will keep quality up once you start getting larger quantities made. My advice is complain about the least little drop in quality right away or they just say, "Oh I guess the extra trouble to do this or that is really not valued in the market, so we can cut production cost here and there." That has proven over and over to the be the attitude of many oveseas suppliers. Dropping layers of leather is often one fo the first tricks. One layer at a time. The other is using lower quality leather.
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Like Chris said, if it's from atlas!
I talked to Eric and seemed to get the impression that,
"this is what we have, if you want it, buy it, if you don't, don't!
Try Cue Components .
I know many people have a problem with Joe (I don't)
but you really should try his linen tube to see the difference in the quality.
Paul
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I talked to Eric and seemed to get the impression that,
"this is what we have, if you want it, buy it, if you don't, don't!
Try Cue Components .
I know many people have a problem with Joe (I don't)
but you really should try his linen tube to see the difference in the quality.
Paul
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If they're not from Norplex , I won't bother. Atlas get theirs from
Atlas Fiber.
Check Prather and Schmelke.
Atlas Fiber.
Check Prather and Schmelke.
http://schmelkecue.com/cue-making-supplies/collars-joint-and-butt-caps.html
Or you could slaughter your counter top.
I stopped using Phonelic and went exclusively to Juma for black or white. The white does not get dirty and sands clean during the build.
I believe Juma is a better material in every aspect. I love the way it machines and as for engraving it is hands down better that phenolic.
JMO,
Rick
I believe Juma is a better material in every aspect. I love the way it machines and as for engraving it is hands down better that phenolic.
JMO,
Rick
Juma is much softer though.
Most prefer the phenolic hit.
Some even use them as inserts or A-joint stud or sleeve.
Atlas Fibre does not manufacture plastics, they buy them from companies that do.
These are the people to "blame" and IIUC they are still in the good old US of A.
Dale
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Unless I am reading this wrong and my conversations with them were incorrect:
All Atlas Fibre thermoset materials are uniformly dense, solid materials which are produced by the application of heat and pressure to layers of paper, cotton or glass fabric impregnated with a synthetic resin. These materials are extremely versatile because of their unusual combination of properties. All grades are light in weight (about half the weight of aluminum), dense, structurally strong, resistant to moisture, and none will soften appreciably under the reapplication of heat.
No one grade can possess all the properties desirable for all applications, therefore we manufacture and stock a number of grades so that the proper material may be selected for almost any application.
I talked to them about the atrocious quality control of Elforyn and, much like what has been said, the attitude was "you get what you get" and "send it back if you don't like it".
Dale, if that was true, then Atlas is still doing a lousy job purchasing them from someone else when Norplex makes them as good as anyone.
Norplex makes the best melamine rods too.
Unless I am reading this wrong
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You are.
They machine plastic into forms - thus, manufacturing.
They purchase raw stock from whoever bought out NVP, Spaulding,
Westinghouse, etc.
Unless I've been intentionaly misled.
Dale
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You are.
They machine plastic into forms - thus, manufacturing.
They purchase raw stock from whoever bought out NVP, Spaulding,
Westinghouse, etc.
Unless I've been intentionaly misled.
Dale
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