Revo
I think it would make a swell ash tray with a little work digging out the foam …
I think it would make a swell ash tray with a little work digging out the foam …
What is inside of the REVO shaft?
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Isn't that agains the physics of it?
To have low cue ball squirt, the shaft HAS TO HAVE HIGH DEFLECTION.
The tip deflects off the cue ball before the cue ball deflects off the tip.
Poor workmanship
The poorest design or workmanship I have ever seen has been on Laminated LD shafts ………………………..
Seen tenons that looked like the only thing holding them on was the bird dropping ..
The poorest design or workmanship I have ever seen has been on Laminated LD shafts ………………………..
Seen tenons that looked like the only thing holding them on was the bird dropping ..
Just make sure you save the fairy dust.
Sure,why should anyone attack you for your decisions if these decisions hurt nobody
But the same should apply for Revo buyers - if they have the money to buy expensive carbon shaft it is their decision which is hurting just their wallet. Why anyone cares that Revo is filled with foam is just beyond me. If Revo was filled with the blood of stillborn babies then I would start to worry,other than that who the hell cares:grin:I know who Vitaliy is,if i am not mistaken i played him that year at EPC.
For me Revo was love for the first sight so to speak. After like 3 shots with it I knew that i NEED that shaft And that is coming from someone who had super shaft in Ex Pro by Mezz. And like i said before - Revo is not suited for everybodys game,it just happens to be perfectly suited for MY game 
If the REVO shaft is such a work of art and the balls just seem to magically jump in the pockets, why did the owner of said shaft bust it over his knee? :shrug:
You are assuming it is a reasonable person.
Very well said. 100% agreed.
What I can add I have nothing against CF shafts. Eventually I have a car and quite a few external and internal parts are in carbon fiber which I made myself. I used to have such a hobby and really love the look of CF on the sun. So I have an idea how to work with it and the costs.
This revolutionary shaft just looks fairly cheap.
After playing and coaching pool almost half of my life it seems I will have one more hobby - cue building. Now I'm in the very beginning and just built a cue for myself and for two of my students. I was really lucky to get some really unique, rare and beautiful woods to work with and I love the look and the feel of the woods. While I like the look of carbon fiber in my car I prefer the look and feel of the woods in my cues. But if you look at the cue I've built for myself it has some revolution in itself
. https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=463154I'm experimenting while learning and could not be happier with the results and I love my solid maple shaft because it plays like it plays not only because of the construction used but mainly because of amazingly hard maple which is very stiff.
You know what when I finished the shaft our european champion Vitaliy Patsura came and asked to try it and he played some racks playing shots with different speeds and sides and never missed. He said playing with sides he just aimed like he does when he plays with his Predator 314/2.
I made the taper of my shaft so it plays very stiff but I can easily make it more lively if I want to.
Of course it may be composite cues will be the future some day with all the restrictions and decreasing in availability of many woods but I believe the old school wooden cues still will have their happy owners.
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This is so strange to me.
I remember some time ago that I had seen a poll here showing the average age of this forum's users, and I would bet it wasn't younger than 12, but after reading this thread I am sure half of the people here are in fact 10 year olds....
I remember some time ago that I had seen a poll here showing the average age of this forum's users, and I would bet it wasn't younger than 12, but after reading this thread I am sure half of the people here are in fact 10 year olds....
Johnny, I'm going to have to use that quote! :thumbup: It looks like there is a 1/4" or more space behind the end of the "ferrule" that is void of foam. Looks like a potential for a crack to form. CF must be strong stuff.
That is what my J100 jumpcue is. Look youtube for J100 , there are some videos of jump shots with it.
Yeah it was lets try this and see what happens. Turned out better than expected. Lighter was better , not the other way around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJDM04rE-5g&ab_channel=DavidLihou
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wue83sHQUok&ab_channel=DavidLihou
Very well said. 100% agreed.
What I can add I have nothing against CF shafts. Eventually I have a car and quite a few external and internal parts are in carbon fiber which I made myself. I used to have such a hobby and really love the look of CF on the sun. So believe me I have an idea how to work with it and the costs.
This revolutionary shaft just looks fairly cheap.
After playing and coaching pool almost half of my life it seems I will have one more hobby - cue building. Now I'm in the very beginning and just built a cue for myself and for two of my students. I was really lucky to get some really unique, rare and beautiful woods to work with and I love the look and the feel of the woods. While I like the look of carbon fiber in my car I prefer the look and feel of the woods in my cues. But if you look at the cue I've built for myself it has some revolution in itself
I'm experimenting while learning and could not be happier with the results and I love my solid maple shaft because it plays like it plays not only because of the construction used but mainly because of amazingly hard maple which is very stiff.
You know what when I finished the shaft our european champion Vitaliy Patsura came and asked to try it and he played some racks playing shots with different speeds and sides and never missed. He said playing with sides he just aimed like he does when he plays with his Predator 314/2.
I made the taper of my shaft so it plays very stiff but I can easily make it more lively if I want to.
Of course it may be composite cues will be the future some day with all the restrictions and decreasing in availability of many woods but I believe the old school wooden cues still will have their happy owners.
If I've learned anything in regards to cues is that they all have a shelf life in regards to their playability.
I've had some LD wood shafts from 4 different companies and they all behaved differently after a few hundred hours of play....My favorite shaft would play even more differently after a thousand hours of play.
There is a science to it all, the wood fibers loosen and separate over time from the linear forces and shock abuse from playing.
Frustrated by breaks, or just loose whippy shafts that never stayed the same, I eagerly made the shift to Carbon composite (my choice was BeCue because they could make a modified ferrule size where predator could not).
That all being said, I believe the weak spot or temperamental spot of Carbon Composite shafts are the filler materials used to fill the void of the shaft or to give weight.
Over 1,000 hours of stress, shock, vibrations, seasonal changes...Will the consistency of that filling material stay the same or break up, loosen, flex, and cause a change to the hit/feel?
Only time will tell because the shafts are so new. But I have a feeling that around a couple thousand hours of quality play, practice, drills, that every shaft will have a different feel.
I'm curious to see how current pros who put in massive amounts of hours with their cues...the ones playing Revo...how many times they change them out, switch, or stick with the same original shaft for long periods of time.
Experienced folks like yourself who also have access to professional players who put in massive amounts of work hours at the table would have access to this type of cue data so please let us know when the time comes if any changes in structure/reliability happen in the carbon composite world.
I know who Vitaliy is,if i am not mistaken i played him that year at EPC.
Marek, see my post above. I'm banking on you to provide some quality data on your Revo the longer you play with it. After 1 year, I would really like to hear your thoughts after picking up a new Revo and hitting some comparing it to your current Revo which I assume you'll have a thousand hours of use invested into it by then.
Great thread and photos, Chuck. Thanks for sharing because learning about the equipment is just as fascinating as playing with it.
Green rep sent your way. Thanks again.
Why do you say that? If the product delivers what it is designed to and the buyer likes it, why are they the sucker?
Personally, I'm not a fan of synthetic shafts, or laminated/aftermarket shafts. With that being said, a lot of thought and design went into making this shaft feel like a wood shaft weight wise and stroke wise on top of it making it function like a low def shaft. It honestly might not look like it, but there had to be some serious engineering going on. Not to mention this thing was in the hands of pros as a prototype for YEARS before they put it out to the public, and it's initial public appearance was in a raffle/contest.
I'm a custom cue player and I personally feel that no shaft will play better then the shaft that my cue maker made for my cue and I will never use this shaft... BUT... Predator really did put out a good product here that delivers. IMO, it's worth the money and no one who buys it is a sucker.
As a player and a coach I can tell for sure any shaft is much more consistent then my game, technique. I quess it is the same thing with most of us.
Just a week ago I participated in advanced course of seminars for coaches and players held by professional british snooker coach Alan Trigg helping him with translation. Alan is a great person and coach who used to work in Sheffield's snooker academy, worked and still working with very many pros. He has huge experience and knowledge. As usual I had great time during that week being able to talk to Alan, learn something new, ask questions and so on. You know what every participant was amazingly impressed with? Almost every snooker pro player is capable to pot most of the balls blind (with closed eyes). It means they aim preparing for the shot as soon as they choose and stand on the line of the shot after that close eyes, walk into the shot, have a stance and shoot. Alan told the best in this is John Higgins who can pot approximately 90% of the shots with closed eyes. We had so much fun trying to pot the most easy balls walking into the shot with closed eyes. None could even hit the CB properly even the best of participants, even Vitaliy failed. Alan is in his 60's and does not practice now but he easily does this and most of the times is very close to the pot even on the long pots. Snooker players are trained correctly to walk into the shot so consistently that it is easy to pot the ball even with closed eyes. That is what increases your confidence in your stroke it means your confidence in your game and brings consistancy.
That is just an example and I know for sure this makes any player much more confident in their stroke than any shaft (cue) can do. But you cannot just click and buy it you have to work and it pays off. There are no short cuts but you already know this, don't you? :smile:
Sure no problem
After 4 weeks my Revo has about 80-90 hours on it and I like it even more now than at the beginning So yeah, 1 year/1000hours is a good estimate Making review after that time may be useful