Revo
I think it would make a swell ash tray with a little work digging out the foam …
I think it would make a swell ash tray with a little work digging out the foam …
The next generation of carbon shafts will be more expensive and play better than a wood cue shaft. Part of that will be vibration dampening technologies within the fibre structure itself. Like low deflection jump cues cues for example with this new technology. Already been made since 2012, but not mass produced for the masses.
Neil
An old guy at my pool hall used to demo his OB1 shaft by bending it and twisting it around. One day it broke and everyone was surprised by the foam tubing inside. IDK, it seemed so cheap and slapped together....I know, I know it's there for a reason but, in my my mind, foam is for walls and loudspeakers. When you see a hollow tube filled with foam it seems so lame. At least a regular maple shaft has spent years growing, being matured in a controlled environment, cut in stages. Even if it's not high technology it somehow seems more impressive.
The one impressive thing with the Revo, IMO is the coating or surface treatment. The rest is bleh. My 150 dollar spinning rod is a lot more impressive than anything I've seen as far as cue technology goes. The carbon fiber is high modulus the top being made from a different kind of Carbon fiber, blended into the rest...Held up for 10 years of rough fishing in all kinds of environments, still springy, still outcasts many of my friends rods. There is no way that rod is less expensive to make than the Revo, no way in hell. It even has expensive Ceramic rings and a quality cork handle...
I think it would make a swell ash tray with a little work digging out the foam …
Just make sure you save the fairy dust.
Is it okay if I deal with it by screwing my maple shaft on?
Or..will I be shunned as a non believer?
Of course all of this is understandable and the first companies on the market can take off the cream). Anyway everybody is free to make his own choice:wink:
By the way you could met my friends and colleagues from Kiev at the Best of the East in Kelce. Recently I had a talk with Vitaliy Patsura who had become one of the youngest european champions winning the 8-ball at EC a few years ago. He asked me about Revo. Fedor Gorst and other "billiard brothers" from Russia are his good friends. One of the feature which attracts Vitaliy is the smoothness of the shaft and of course the transfer of the energy and deflection so on. He tried the shaft when he had possibility and liked it. He liked how smooth it was. He also talked about it to Fedor. And you know what Fedor told he liked the feel of his Jacoby more. But for the pro of his talent and caliber it's more about sponsorship conditions I quess. Of course there is a result after he joined Predator team but I'm just 100% sure the technical side of the game of course is very important but may be only 10% of the game. The rest 90% you cannot just click and buy...
So the long story short I told Vitaliy to remember what cue he played winning the EC and there were some big matches on the way to his gold. He won in deciding racks with Niels in the 1/4 and Francisco Sanchez Ruiz in the final being only 19 years old.
So I just advised him to be patient and keep practicing and fairly soon there will be better choice of composite shafts for better price or even better get sponsorship...
If the REVO shaft is such a work of art and the balls just seem to magically jump in the pockets, why did the owner of said shaft bust it over his knee? :shrug:
An old guy at my pool hall used to demo his OB1 shaft by bending it and twisting it around. One day it broke and everyone was surprised by the foam tubing inside. IDK, it seemed so cheap and slapped together....I know, I know it's there for a reason but, in my my mind, foam is for walls and loudspeakers. When you see a hollow tube filled with foam it seems so lame. At least a regular maple shaft has spent years growing, being matured in a controlled environment, cut in stages. Even if it's not high technology it somehow seems more impressive.
The one impressive thing with the Revo, IMO is the coating or surface treatment. The rest is bleh. My 150 dollar spinning rod is a lot more impressive than anything I've seen as far as cue technology goes. The carbon fiber is high modulus the top being made from a different kind of Carbon fiber, blended into the rest...Held up for 10 years of rough fishing in all kinds of environments, still springy, still outcasts many of my friends rods. There is no way that rod is less expensive to make than the Revo, no way in hell. It even has expensive Ceramic rings and a quality cork handle...
Inside a Revco is a note saying SUCKER.. LOL Johnnyt
Isn't that agains the physics of it?
To have low cue ball squirt, the shaft HAS TO HAVE HIGH DEFLECTION.
The tip deflects off the cue ball before the cue ball deflects off the tip.
Very well said. 100% agreed.
What I can add I have nothing against CF shafts. Eventually I have a car and quite a few external and internal parts are in carbon fiber which I made myself. I used to have such a hobby and really love the look of CF on the sun. So believe me I have an idea how to work with it and the costs.
This revolutionary shaft just looks fairly cheap.
After playing and coaching pool almost half of my life it seems I will have one more hobby - cue building. Now I'm in the very beginning and just built a cue for myself and for two of my students. I was really lucky to get some really unique, rare and beautiful woods to work with and I love the look and the feel of the woods. While I like the look of carbon fiber in my car I prefer the look and feel of the woods in my cues. But if you look at the cue I've built for myself it has some revolution in itself. https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=463154
I'm experimenting while learning and could not be happier with the results and I love my solid maple shaft because it plays like it plays not only because of the construction used but mainly because of amazingly hard maple which is very stiff.
You know what when I finished the shaft our european champion Vitaliy Patsura came and asked to try it and he played some racks playing shots with different speeds and sides and never missed. He said playing with sides he just aimed like he does when he plays with his Predator 314/2.
I made the taper of my shaft so it plays very stiff but I can easily make it more lively if I want to.
Of course it may be composite cues will be the future some day with all the restrictions and decreasing in availability of many woods but I believe the old school wooden cues still will have their happy owners.
I know who Vitaliy is,if i am not mistaken i played him that year at EPC. For me Revo was love for the first sight so to speak. After like 3 shots with it I knew that i NEED that shaft And that is coming from someone who had super shaft in Ex Pro by Mezz. And like i said before - Revo is not suited for everybodys game,it just happens to be perfectly suited for MY game
I found this on another message board. Apparently someone got mad and broke one, so it got dissected to see what was inside. :thumbup:
Inside a Revco is a note saying SUCKER.. LOL Johnnyt
If I've learned anything in regards to cues is that they all have a shelf life in regards to their playability.
I've had some LD wood shafts from 4 different companies and they all behaved differently after a few hundred hours of play....My favorite shaft would play even more differently after a thousand hours of play.
There is a science to it all, the wood fibers loosen and separate over time from the linear forces and shock abuse from playing.
Frustrated by breaks, or just loose whippy shafts that never stayed the same, I eagerly made the shift to Carbon composite (my choice was BeCue because they could make a modified ferrule size where predator could not).
That all being said, I believe the weak spot or temperamental spot of Carbon Composite shafts are the filler materials used to fill the void of the shaft or to give weight.
Over 1,000 hours of stress, shock, vibrations, seasonal changes...Will the consistency of that filling material stay the same or break up, loosen, flex, and cause a change to the hit/feel?
Only time will tell because the shafts are so new. But I have a feeling that around a couple thousand hours of quality play, practice, drills, that every shaft will have a different feel.
I'm curious to see how current pros who put in massive amounts of hours with their cues...the ones playing Revo...how many times they change them out, switch, or stick with the same original shaft for long periods of time.
Experienced folks like yourself who also have access to professional players who put in massive amounts of work hours at the table would have access to this type of cue data so please let us know when the time comes if any changes in structure/reliability happen in the carbon composite world.
Marek, see my post above. I'm banking on you to provide some quality data on your Revo the longer you play with it. After 1 year, I would really like to hear your thoughts after picking up a new Revo and hitting some comparing it to your current Revo which I assume you'll have a thousand hours of use invested into it by then.