What is the Best approach for a Cue Maker when marketing his cues

[manwon]

I"ll vote first. I do let my customers tell me how to run my business. Its
called a customer survey, a lot of fortune 500 companies do it. I am suprised you or somebody you know has never heard of it . It involves asking the customer how they can better serve them. I want to know what kind of job my company is doing and how to improve upon. I am most grateful to have customers and would go to great lengths to keep
them satisfied!

That is a very good post, I totally agree that it is what any Business minded person would do. I mean the first Poll Question could be: 1) What can my company do to improve communication, and to better serve my customers:

a. Continue to make excuses why my products are not delivered in a timely manner, as agreed upon!!!!!!

b. Insure there are no forms of communication between me and my customers.

c. Insure that if there is a misunderstanding that my customers will be afraid to report it because of threats and other forms of intimidation.

d. Correct A, B, and C to serve my customers quickly and more efficiently.

Thanks very much for your input!!!!!!

Have a nice day!!!!

 

[masonh]

Cuemaker B responds to the thread approx. 64 times....That could be considered a little excessive to some people....maybe..

sorry but that is funny.

 

[bnall]

DELIVERED!

In about 14 hours from now.

 

[Rodney]

One thing that has surprised me Kevin, is that you are not a forum Club Member.

It's funny you should mention this. Today I was wondering why the people who do a lot of business on here are not club members. There a few cuemakers, and a lot of people in the w/fs section that probably should consider it.

Now I may be calling the kettle black(i'm not a member), but I don't conduct business on here. I have sold some things here, but all at a loss.

Rodney

 

[Irish634]

I"ll vote first. I do let my customers tell me how to run my business. Its
called a customer survey, a lot of fortune 500 companies do it. I am suprised you or somebody you know has never heard of it . It involves asking the customer how they can better serve them. I want to know what kind of job my company is doing and how to improve upon. I am most grateful to have customers and would go to great lengths to keep
them satisfied!

There's a big difference in a "customer survey" versus certain person(s) trying to shape how an individual conducts business because they don't like it or the person. BIG difference. My post should have clarified that fact. Providing constructive criticism is one thing. What's going on here is entirely different. To say otherwise is pissing in the wind as some say.

 

[manwon]

It's funny you should mention this. Today I was wondering why the people who do a lot of business on here are not club members. There a few cuemakers, and a lot of people in the w/fs section that probably should consider it.

Now I may be calling the kettle black(i'm not a member), but I don't conduct business on here. I have sold some things here, but all at a loss.

Rodney

Rodney, thanks for your input!! I do not think you are calling the Kettle Black at all. It is an option to become a Club Member, and there is certainly nothing wrong with not being a member. However, it only seems right that you would want to help keep things running. I mean it is the least one can do considering that many people are using this forum for their personal sales / advertising platform. In addition it would also be of benefit for them, do to the larger Mail Capacity you get with your membership. Hell, it may even help some of their customers contact them more easily, in place of the current drill where their in-box is always full.

No on second thought, I do not think the addition Mail Capacity will do much good if you have no intent to answer anyway!!!!!!

You know Rodney, this may be a good topic for another Poll. I will have to think on it for a little while.

Thanks Again and have a nice day!!!!!

 

[manwon]

In about 14 hours from now.

Sir you are a lucky Man, those cues look great!!!!!

 

[manwon]

There's a big difference in a "customer survey" versus certain person(s) trying to shape how an individual conducts business because they don't like it or the person. BIG difference. My post should have clarified that fact. Providing constructive criticism is one thing. What's going on here is entirely different. To say otherwise is pissing in the wind as some say.

Hey Irish, their are many waiting on your Survey / Poll, I really think it is a good idea. It may be better though if you let Kevin do it himself, but short of that go hijack some one elses thread, I do not need your Propaganda in this one.

Have a nice night Craig!!!!!

 

[MasterClass]

I was think predator does a pretty awesome job marketing their products and getting high visibility rates. Who else can sell production cue at custom cue kind of price.

Also maybe you can try gambling a bit. Find a up coming star and sponsor him. With your cue if you are lucky, With some money as well if he is really worth it.

JMO.

 

[poohkiller]

I voted for option #2. I believe being humble, proficient and helpful is very important - even if finally I am not buying a thing. I also believe that the way someone talks - like many said here before - shows his/her personality. If I am dull, stupid, shallow, I will most likely shout, use awful language not giving a damn about how am I saying what is on my mind because I know it does not make any sense.


I've been studying this for quite some time now whenever I was talking with someone new and I could see that all that said above is very true and due to the fact that the manner with which you talk describes your personality and your attitude I mostly try and force myself to indite nicely what I mean to say. It makes a very deep and hardly effacable impression so it is important to do it right.

As there can be found a couple of bad examples - everyone name them for themselves, I do not wish to imply to anyone - there are good examples too. For instance talking with Bryan Fisher of Fisher cues was a great experience and I am still planning to purchase one of his cues because he did what a cuemaker should in my opinion:

1) Do good, prompt, humble, proficient communication both in threads and via PMs.
2) Post high-quality and close-up images of his work
3) Be helpful and open to all suggestions and criticism - no matter if the feedback is positive or negative.

 

[Irish634]

Hey Irish, their are many waiting on your Survey / Poll, I really think it is a good idea. It may be better though if you let Kevin do it himself, but short of that go hijack some one elses thread, I do not need your Propaganda in this one.

Have a nice night Craig!!!!!

Oh knock it off. It's not propaganda and you know it. You know I am not as naive as you'd like to let everyone believe Craig. You have made it your personal agenda to get Kevin out of this forum, that is very plain to see.

I only tried to help the membership, by exposing the situation to the rest of the forum members, especially the new ones, and I think that I have accomplished my mission

I hope Kevin Varney is reading this, he could certainly learn allot from your wisdom on this subject. Well, I am certain he will be looking for a new home soon any way his days on Az are numbered.

You once told me that "you were out of it" and wouldn't be posting anymore about Kevin. This thread and the many others is just proof that there was no truth in that statement.

As far as joining this forum as a "paid member" well, the majority of cuemakers or cue assemblers on here are NOT paid members, including your beloved Mason (who may not "advertise" in the forum, but certainly has gained income from it).

You used these same tactics on someone else trying so sell their cues, because you didn't agree with how he was marketing his product. I didn't agree with what you did then, and I don't agree with it now. But that's what's nice about this country and what you made a career of (thank you by the way for your service), is that we have the freedom to disagree.

Wanting to make the forum a better place for everyone is fine, and everyone should help in that. However, there are constructive ways to do this, and this is not one of them.

Sorry for posting in your thread and hijacking it as you say. I thought this was an open forum, but I won't respond in it anymore as a courtesy to your request.

Have a good day as well.

 

[manwon]

Oh knock it off. It's not propaganda and you know it. You know I am not as naive as you'd like to let everyone believe Craig. You have made it your personal agenda to get Kevin out of this forum, that is very plain to see.





You once told me that "you were out of it" and wouldn't be posting anymore about Kevin. This thread and the many others is just proof that there was no truth in that statement.

As far as joining this forum as a "paid member" well, the majority of cuemakers or cue assemblers on here are NOT paid members, including your beloved Mason (who may not "advertise" in the forum, but certainly has gained income from it).

You used these same tactics on someone else trying so sell their cues, because you didn't agree with how he was marketing his product. I didn't agree with what you did then, and I don't agree with it now. But that's what's nice about this country and what you made a career of (thank you by the way for your service), is that we have the freedom to disagree.

Wanting to make the forum a better place for everyone is fine, and everyone should help in that. However, there are constructive ways to do this, and this is not one of them.

Sorry for posting in your thread and hijacking it as you say. I thought this was an open forum, but I won't respond in it anymore as a courtesy to your request.

Have a good day as well.

Craig, I really think it funny that Kevin can't speak for himself with out the help others. Craig do you know how foolish your look doing all the talking for another man!!!!!!! I know Kevin is the Victim, he is just a good old boy who is honest, straight forward in actions and deeds, and never makes excuses for his actions. But you know Craig, this thread never mentioned Kevin, until Joey, You, and Kevin chimed in. Then you begin to question other posters because of their opinion, who do you think you are, well let me help you out no one important, just another Troll trying to hijack a thread. The reason I fell this way is because you have added nothing to the thread except your paranoid belief that it's about your Puppet Master Kevin Varney. If I were you I would be embarrassed to allow another man to pull your strings so that you can perform for him.

In closing Kevin, has a voice, Kevin has a brain, and kevin can certainly type when his computer is not broken. If Kevin has anything to say, like most men he would speak his mind.

Like I said, to both you and Kevin, I think you idea for a Poll would be a great idea, however, the feedback received may not be what you expect!!!!!!!!

Have a nice Craig!!!

 

[Thunderball]

Option two should natually lead two option three....just get quality products out there.Be honest,fair and considerate when dealing with customers and viola.... You keep old customers and gain new ones.

I voted option 3 fwiw....long term I think it matters most.

 

[manwon]

Oh knock it off. It's not propaganda and you know it. You know I am not as naive as you'd like to let everyone believe Craig. You have made it your personal agenda to get Kevin out of this forum, that is very plain to see.





You once told me that "you were out of it" and wouldn't be posting anymore about Kevin. This thread and the many others is just proof that there was no truth in that statement.

As far as joining this forum as a "paid member" well, the majority of cuemakers or cue assemblers on here are NOT paid members, including your beloved Mason (who may not "advertise" in the forum, but certainly has gained income from it).

You used these same tactics on someone else trying so sell their cues, because you didn't agree with how he was marketing his product. I didn't agree with what you did then, and I don't agree with it now. But that's what's nice about this country and what you made a career of (thank you by the way for your service), is that we have the freedom to disagree.

Wanting to make the forum a better place for everyone is fine, and everyone should help in that. However, there are constructive ways to do this, and this is not one of them.

Sorry for posting in your thread and hijacking it as you say. I thought this was an open forum, but I won't respond in it anymore as a courtesy to your request.

Have a good day as well.

As far as joining this forum as a "paid member" well, the majority of cuemakers or cue assemblers on here are NOT paid members, including your beloved Mason (who may not "advertise" in the forum, but certainly has gained income from it).

Like I said, membership on the forum is an individual choice and for those who may not be able to afford it, there should certainly not be any stigma for not being a member. However, when you can afford to give away everything from cue tips to cues for the sake of popularity and I-trader rating you must have the money to be a paid member. Now, there is certainly nothing wrong with helping others, whether they are forum members or not. However, when you publicly attempt to gain from it, and give false impressions from it, it is no longer a Noble selfless act. It is then a method of stroking your ego, and vain attempt to divert attention from negative things you have done. It all gets back to presenting a false impression that you want others to beleive.

A good example of a Noble selfless act, is what another forum member did for a Boy and Girls club in Las Vegas. Miles, known as Smokey on this forum paid for a complete overhaul of the Clubs Pool Tables. We are talking thousands of dollars for repairs, new cloth, cues, and everything else they needed. Now the difference between this and the above is not the money spent. It is however, the intent of the act, Miles did not blow his horn, in fact he personally requested that I not post anything about it on this forum. In fact, the manger of the facility was also asked not to mention it but, he finally did post about it on the forum, which I am glad that he did.

To me anyone who uses this forum as their main form of advertising or sales, should want to support what supports them. The price of membership is very small, the extra in box space is more than worth it when you are doing business. But more importantly it is giving something back for all you get, so I suspect if you can give things away to make friends, why not give something to the forum that makes you money!!!!

 

[Irish634]

Craig, I really think it funny that Kevin can't speak for himself with out the help others. Craig do you know how foolish your look doing all the talking for another man!!!!!!! I know Kevin is the Victim, he is just a good old boy who is honest, straight forward in actions and deeds, and never makes excuses for his actions. But you know Craig, this thread never mentioned Kevin, until Joey, You, and Kevin chimed in. Then you begin to question other posters because of their opinion, who do you think you are, well let me help you out no one important, just another Troll trying to hijack a thread. The reason I fell this way is because you have added nothing to the thread except your paranoid belief that it's about your Puppet Master Kevin Varney. If I were you I would be embarrassed to allow another man to pull your strings so that you can perform for him.

In closing Kevin, has a voice, Kevin has a brain, and kevin can certainly type when his computer is not broken. If Kevin has anything to say, like most men he would speak his mind.

Like I said, to both you and Kevin, I think you idea for a Poll would be a great idea, however, the feedback received may not be what you expect!!!!!!!!

Have a nice Craig!!!

So I lied about staying out of your thread... I must have really struck a nerve Craig & upset you. You've lowered yourself to name calling. Seriously, I thought you were above that. Let me just say that you aren't all that important either, the difference between us it that I admit I am not.

I don't question anyone's opinion Craig. Everyone is entitled to their own and to speak their mind. There is no paranoia here by any means, your posts and goals are very transparent.

If you think that much (or little) of me, then I respectfully request that you put me on your ignore list. I'll do the same as of this post and now I really will not post anymore in your thread.

 

[manwon]

So I lied about staying out of your thread... I must have really struck a nerve Craig & upset you. You've lowered yourself to name calling. Seriously, I thought you were above that. Let me just say that you aren't all that important either, the difference between us it that I admit I am not.

I don't question anyone's opinion Craig. Everyone is entitled to their own and to speak their mind. There is no paranoia here by any means, your posts and goals are very transparent.

If you think that much (or little) of me, then I respectfully request that you put me on your ignore list. I'll do the same as of this post and now I really will not post anymore in your thread.

Thank you for putting me on your ignore list. But I must tell you I do not have an ignore list, and I do not believe in using one.

I have not started calling names in any of my posts to you during this thread. However, inquiring minds would like to know why Kevin can not speak for himself, and why others must jump into anything Kevin feels insecure about for him.

You can not dispute this, because you are now and always have been a major player in this. I really think it is funny, Kevin calls you, or one of the others feeling Butt Hurt, and says some one is picking on me again. Then you guy's put on your capes and charge to the rescue like Super hero's. Craig I am very surprised that you are part of this, I had a great deal of respect for you in the beginning. If Kevin was disabled and could not speak for himself, I would certainly understand your actions, however that is certainly not the case.

Ignore away Craig, but please have a good day!!!!

 

[manwon]

I voted for option #2. I believe being humble, proficient and helpful is very important - even if finally I do not buying a thing. I also believe that the way someone talks - like many said here before - shows his/her personality. If I am dull, stupid, shallow, I will most likely shout, use awful language not giving a damn about how am I saying what is on my mind because I know it does not makes any sense.


I've been studying this for quite some time now whenever I was talking with someone new and I could see that all that said above is very true and due to the fact that the manner with which you talk describes your personality and your attitude I mostly try and force myself to indite nicely what I mean to say. It makes a very deep and hardly effacable impression so it is important to do it right.

As there can be found a couple of bad examples - everyone name them for themselves, I do not wish to imply to anyone - there are good examples too. For instance talking with Bryan Fisher of Fisher cues was a great experience and I am still planning to purchase one of his cues because he did what a cuemaker should in my opinion:

1) Do good, prompt, humble, proficient communication both in threads and via PMs.
2) Post high-quality and close-up images of his work
3) Be helpful and open to all suggestions and criticism - no matter if the feedback is positive or negative.

1) Do good, prompt, humble, proficient communication both in threads and via PMs.
2) Post high-quality and close-up images of his work
3) Be helpful and open to all suggestions and criticism - no matter if the feedback is positive or negative.[/QUOTE]

I think this is the best post in this thread / Poll, this should be a every Business persons Bible.

Great post, and thanks and have a great night!!!!

 

[manwon]

Option two should natually lead two option three....just get quality products out there.Be honest,fair and considerate when dealing with customers and viola.... You keep old customers and gain new ones.

I voted option 3 fwiw....long term I think it matters most.

I totally agree, I should have given it more though when I started this Poll

Thanks and have a great night!!!

 

[Varney Cues]

inquiring minds would like to know why Kevin can not speak for himself
Kevin calls you, or one of the others feeling Butt Hurt

I can speak my mind just fine...I just choose not to join in your trash threads. Calling someone "butthurt"....you're real a real class act Manwus.
If I spoke my mind concerning you...I'd be banned it about 30 seconds...and of course I've promised the mods not to join in your attemp to pull me into your Jerry Springer antics. Funny thing is....your so called plan to "run me off AZ" as you have so often admitted...and yes I can provide quotes....has done nothing but fill my pm box with support from customers wondering why you act like an upset school girl....as they also state they'd NEVER do any business with you....even if you were to ever to learn how to make a cue. Seems my cues sell just fine & are in quite a demand....lets search the sale section for Varney vs Craig Rittel cues.
I've made my point very clear....not that I even had to for the AZ'ers who know you & grow weary of your BS. My last post on this subject & back to my "ignore" list you go....along with the rest of your little group.

 

[JoeyInCali]

CELEBRITY ENDORSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They sell cues fast.