What is the Difference between A-D players

ignomirello

ignomirello

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What is the Difference between (A) Through (D) players

d) Player =

D+) Player

c) Player

C+) Player

b) Player

B+) Player

a) Player

A+) Player

AA) Player

AAA) Player

Pro) Player

I'm looking forward for everybodys input, As we will see not every will be in agreement.
 
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ignomirello said:
What is the Difference between A-D players

d) Player =

D+) Player

c) Player

C+) Player

b) Player

B+) Player

a) Player

A+) Player

AA) Player

AAA) Player

Pro) Player

I'm looking forward for everybodys input, As we will see not every will be in agreement.
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There have been several long threads about this subject. A quick search will give you plenty of good opinions.
 
I would say that the "A" player will win every game against a "D" player. For the most part the latter is just a recreational player that doesn't know anything about pool and the former runs racks.
 
ignomirello said:
What is the Difference between A-D players

d) Player =

D+) Player

c) Player

C+) Player

b) Player

B+) Player

a) Player

A+) Player

AA) Player

AAA) Player

Pro) Player

I'm looking forward for everybodys input, As we will see not every will be in agreement.
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It is interesting at a tournament in the practice room; if you don't know the players it is hard to tell you is the favorite. It is when you see them head to head the difference jumps out. Technicality they both can play but the A player just makes fewer mistakes. It is not so much the A player being able to do anything the lesser player can't do, they just do it better and more consistently.

Top players don't really do anything magic; it is just as Danny DiLiberto says, "Good play is doing simple things consistently".
 
D- Player
will not run a rack
average run is about 3 balls
with ball in hand, will get out from the 7, one out of 3 times
rarely plays a successful safe

C-Player
will probably run one rack, but usually not more than one rack in a typical race to 7
avg. run is 3 to 5 balls
with ball in hand, will get out from the 7, two out of 3 times
mixed results when playing safe
inning ends due to botched position, missed shot or attempting a safe.

B-Player
Able to run 1 to 3 racks
avg. run is 5-7 balls
with ball in hand will get out form the 5, 2 out of 3 times
most of the time a "B" player will play a "safety" which maybe hit easily 2 out of 3 times
a typical inning will end with a missed shot, a fair safety, or a won game

A-Player
will string 2 to 3 racks
avg. ball run, 7-9
with ball in hand, will be out from the 3 ball, 2 out of 3 times
typical inning will end with a well executed safety or a win.

OPEN-Players
average 8+ balls
string racks together more than once in a match
is a threat to run out from every ball, from every position, every inning
typical inning will end in excellent safety or win
 
Looking for the difference in each level of a player

TheBook said:
I would say that the "A" player will win every game against a "D" player. For the most part the latter is just a recreational player that doesn't know anything about pool and the former runs racks.
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I'm really Looking for the difference in each level of Different players.

a (d) player to a (D+) player & (D+) player to a (c) player so on & so fourth.

Thanks for all your input Ladies & Gents :-)
 
TheBook said:
I would say that the "A" player will win every game against a "D" player. For the most part the latter is just a recreational player that doesn't know anything about pool and the former runs racks.
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I think "nearly every game" is a better estimate. Even top players occasionally hang up the nine or ten or scratch on the eight. Straight pool to 100 is a different matter. A friend of mine who was just a beginner used to get spotted 100:1 by Irving Crane. I think Crane just wanted someone to rack and maybe wanted to show my friend how to play. The odds of my friend winning in an even match were very, very close to zero.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
D- Player
will not run a rack
average run is about 3 balls
with ball in hand, will get out from the 7, one out of 3 times
rarely plays a successful safe

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There are lots of league players who play well below this average. That is, the two-ball ghost is a very tough challenge for them.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
D- Player
will not run a rack
average run is about 3 balls
with ball in hand, will get out from the 7, one out of 3 times
rarely plays a successful safe

C-Player
will probably run one rack, but usually not more than one rack in a typical race to 7
avg. run is 3 to 5 balls
with ball in hand, will get out from the 7, two out of 3 times
mixed results when playing safe
inning ends due to botched position, missed shot or attempting a safe.

B-Player
Able to run 1 to 3 racks
avg. run is 5-7 balls
with ball in hand will get out form the 5, 2 out of 3 times
most of the time a "B" player will play a "safety" which maybe hit easily 2 out of 3 times
a typical inning will end with a missed shot, a fair safety, or a won game

A-Player
will string 2 to 3 racks
avg. ball run, 7-9
with ball in hand, will be out from the 3 ball, 2 out of 3 times
typical inning will end with a well executed safety or a win.

OPEN-Players
average 8+ balls
string racks together more than once in a match
is a threat to run out from every ball, from every position, every inning
typical inning will end in excellent safety or win
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Sounds right to me, Hope all is good
 
In my 9-ball league, in a race to 7, the handicap was roughly 1 game per half level, or 2 games per full level difference. Handicap seems to work, the spread from the highest ranked to the lowest ranked team was usually 10%.

Two Ds would play an even race to 7, D+ playing a C+ would be 5-7.
 
Do any of you folks have a version for 8-ball? Pretty much all of these ratings seem to be based on 9-ball.
 
justadub said:
Do any of you folks have a version for 8-ball? Pretty much all of these ratings seem to be based on 9-ball.
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justadub:

But don't you know that 9-ball *IS* pool, and pool *IS* 9-ball? Afterall, when someone asks if you'd like to "play a game of pool," and they go to rack for you, you know the rack you're going to get is automatically (hard-wired) to be diamond-shaped, right? And you know that no matter the game, the word "pool" MEANS to shoot the balls in rotation, right?

:p :D
-Sean
 
I sometimes play in Syracuse in a tuesday nite 9 ball tournament. 15$ to get in,,, single elimination.

In a race to 7, I am a B rating and when I play a AAA player I get one game and I can win by shooting the 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9. Only the 9 counts on the break and I must call pocket for the 5, 6, 7, or 8.

I got my ass kicked 2 to 7.

These guys are really good.

Kim
 
sfleinen said:
justadub:

But don't you know that 9-ball *IS* pool, and pool *IS* 9-ball? Afterall, when someone asks if you'd like to "play a game of pool," and they go to rack for you, you know the rack you're going to get is automatically (hard-wired) to be diamond-shaped, right? And you know that no matter the game, the word "pool" MEANS to shoot the balls in rotation, right?

:p :D
-Sean
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I'm beginning to get that idea. I'm a little slow, but it is sinking in. :p
 
D players will never cash in anything of note.

C players will sometimes cash in B and below tournaments.

B players will bring the majority of the money home in B and below tournaments and occasionally cash in open weekly tournaments.

A players will cash regularly and sometimes win open weekly tournaments and do well at regional tournaments, but generally has very little chance of winning anything big.

Semi-pros/short-stops will cash in everything but the biggest tournaments and have a shot at winning a regional event if in stroke and there are no top pros present.

Low tier pros will have a good chance at cashing in large pro tournaments like the US Open, but will rarely if ever win one.

Mid tier pros will usually cash in large pro tournaments and might have a chance of taking one or two of them down in a lifetime if the stars align.

Top pros will generally cash in everything they enter. They will take several major championships in there life time and any players below low tier pros have very little chance at beating them in a race to 5 or more.

The difference between a top pro and a short stop is the 6-out. The difference between a short stop and b player is probably also the 6-out. The difference between a b player and a d player is maybe the 7-out.
 
Masayoshi said:
D players will never cash in anything of note.

C players will sometimes cash in B and below tournaments.

B players will bring the majority of the money home in B and below tournaments and occasionally cash in open weekly tournaments.

A players will cash regularly and sometimes win open weekly tournaments and do well at regional tournaments, but generally has very little chance of winning anything big.

Semi-pros/short-stops will cash in everything but the biggest tournaments and have a shot at winning a regional event if in stroke and there are no top pros present.

Low tier pros will have a good chance at cashing in large pro tournaments like the US Open, but will rarely if ever win one.

Mid tier pros will usually cash in large pro tournaments and might have a chance of taking one or two of them down in a lifetime if the stars align.

Top pros will generally cash in everything they enter. They will take several major championships in there life time and any players below low tier pros have very little chance at beating them in a race to 5 or more.

The difference between a top pro and a short stop is the 6-out. The difference between a short stop and b player is probably also the 6-out. The difference between a b player and a d player is maybe the 7-out.
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That's a really good explanation of the different skill levels in pool. I would only make one slight adjustment: I think a B player would rob a D player giving the 7 and out.
 
Bobby said:
That's a really good explanation of the different skill levels in pool. I would only make one slight adjustment: I think a B player would rob a D player giving the 7 and out.
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Yea, that might be right, but the B player will probably lose with the 6-out
 
Masayoshi said:
Yea, that might be right, but the B player will probably lose with the 6-out
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Yeah probably but you never know with D players, as far as actual skill is concerned the B giving the D the 7-out is probably the right spot but most D players will somehow find a way to lose even when they shouldn't. I'm a B/B+ player but even when I was a C+/B- I used to give D+ players the 7-out or the 7 ball and 2 games on 9, and even though I should have lost, I usually won because the D+ would have the set all but won and then they'd do something so unbelievably stupid and give the set away.
 
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