What is your PSR?

[Dan White]

Since you have no aiming system to speak of as a non-aimer, don't use Poolology but continue to praise it, have no interest in using one, don't know enough about the one you've constantly bashed over the years...why do you live in the AIMING FORUM.?

It could be the end of it if you just LEAVE and move to the 14.1 forum, main forum, or NPR. How's that for a novel idea?

Sigh... If you post a message in the forum to Mike H. telling him that his pm's are full he will see it and empty them. And it wasn't done immediately. His email address is Housepro@azbilliards.com. Not that hard to find that out.

If you used some diplomacy instead of your usual manner, maybe you wouldn't have gotten the ban.

The rest isn't worth the time to rehash. I suggest you email Mike and ask him about all this. If you find any evidence that I have ever communicated in any way with Mike or Wilson other than to discuss bans and forum posts only (a handful of times), I'll send you a check for $1000. OK? If you don't find any evidence, then nothing owed on your part. Happy hunting.

 

[stan shuffett]

OK, Stan, I can respect that. I would only suggest that you simply lay low until your book comes out with the full disclosure. Nobody is really supposed to say anything negative about any aiming system here anyway.

No need to lay low concerning any order of disclosure.

Stan Shuffett

 

[Dan White]

You and the likes of you leave entirely or leave the subject alone and this place turns into a peaceful quiet lake with virtually no sound.

Actually when you were on "vacation" this was a peaceful, yet productive place to be. There were lots of interesting posts and virtually nothing negative. If somebody compiled all your posts since you came back I bet the vast majority would be argumentative.

I'm done with this non-productive back and forth. If you contribute something positive then that's a different story.

 

[Bobkitty]

No need to lay low concerning any order of disclosure.

Stan Shuffett

Will you get RID of the old CTE stuff from Youtube? If it's phony, (with your new discovery, book) maybe it should go away from view, unless you are still making money. Maybe we can find the new pertinent stuff then. I'd like to know what a "perception" is? I can "perceive" me running out but it doesn't happen often enough.

 

[Dan White]

No need to lay low concerning any order of disclosure.

Stan Shuffett

My point is that instead of wasting time in an argument you should consider something like, "I understand your concerns, but wait for the book in which all will be explained." Of course those discussions have been curtailed anyway because this isn't really a discussion forum anymore.

I guess what is really on my mind is that you shouldn't be critical of another system until you publish your book and have full disclosure on your system. It isn't a "fair fight" as they say if one guy has disclosed 100% and you've disclosed 90%, with 10% being the critical thing that makes the whole thing work.

 

[Dan White]

Will you get RID of the old CTE stuff from Youtube? If it's phony, (with your new discovery, book) maybe it should go away from view, unless you are still making money. Maybe we can find the new pertinent stuff then. I'd like to know what a "perception" is?

This is a good point, Stan. I understand you have thousands of hits on a lot of your videos and maybe it is good advertising, but some of the videos might best be taken down. I assume this is the kind of thing you will do after the book comes out.

 

[stan shuffett]

This is a good point, Stan. I understand you have thousands of hits on a lot of your videos and maybe it is good advertising, but some of the videos might best be taken down. I assume this is the kind of thing you will do after the book comes out.

I will likely leave all videos as they represent years of my work even for the ones that contain misfires.

My new videos may be placed in a separate account. Not sure. Might even put them on VIMEO.

Stan Shuffett

 

[stan shuffett]

My point is that instead of wasting time in an argument you should consider something like, "I understand your concerns, but wait for the book in which all will be explained." Of course those discussions have been curtailed anyway because this isn't really a discussion forum anymore.

I guess what is really on my mind is that you shouldn't be critical of another system until you publish your book and have full disclosure on your system. It isn't a "fair fight" as they say if one guy has disclosed 100% and you've disclosed 90%, with 10% being the critical thing that makes the whole thing work.

Not critical of other systems. Just speaking the truth of which AtLarge confirmed.
Don't think I'm in competition with another system. Ludicrous LMAO!

Stan Shuffett

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Sigh... If you post a message in the forum to Mike H. telling him that his pm's are full he will see it and empty them. And it wasn't done immediately. His email address is Housepro@azbilliards.com. Not that hard to find that out.

If you used some diplomacy instead of your usual manner, maybe you wouldn't have gotten the ban.

How do you know what was even said to make that claim?

The rest isn't worth the time to rehash. I suggest you email Mike and ask him about all this. If you find any evidence that I have ever communicated in any way with Mike or Wilson other than to discuss bans and forum posts only (a handful of times), I'll send you a check for $1000. OK? If you don't find any evidence, then nothing owed on your part. Happy hunting.

Oh ABSOLUTELY! I should believe everything you say! NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. I don't and never will trust one thing that comes out of you.

I asked you to post the post I made years ago mentioning I did some work behind the scenes for AZ. Where is it? How about some other member?

There were only 3 people who knew anything, me, the other person who did the lion's share of the work and MH. THAT'S IT!

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Actually when you were on "vacation" this was a peaceful, yet productive place to be. There were lots of interesting posts and virtually nothing negative. If somebody compiled all your posts since you came back I bet the vast majority would be argumentative.

It really was a more peaceful place when Lou was gone for three months and when you decided to take a hiatus. NOBODY got into arguments.

I'm done with this non-productive back and forth. If you contribute something positive then that's a different story.

Where's all of your positive material? OK, I'm going to post something in a new thread. Let's see how you react.

 

[stan shuffett]

Will you get RID of the old CTE stuff from Youtube? If it's phony, (with your new discovery, book) maybe it should go away from view, unless you are still making money. Maybe we can find the new pertinent stuff then. I'd like to know what a "perception" is? I can "perceive" me running out but it doesn't happen often enough.

No I won't get rid of them.......They represent my work over the years and much of it is super material. Only a weak mind would reference them as phony.

Don't you bother yourself with my business.,

You don't deserve to have my work!

I can explain the perceptions of CTE and will do so on video and in my book. No surprise that a weak mind thinks perception can't be described.

Stan Shuffett

 

[Low500]

Will you get RID of the old CTE stuff from Youtube? If it's phony, (with your new discovery, book) maybe it should go away from view, unless you are still making money. Maybe we can find the new pertinent stuff then. I'd like to know what a "perception" is? I can "perceive" me running out but it doesn't happen often enough.

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[Bobkitty]

I think you're being a little pushy to suggest or question whether or not Mr. Shuffett will remove or should ever remove any of his YouTube videos or not. I do not see how they can offend anyone. In fact, I found them quite educational and helpful.
But I will help you in understanding what a 'perception' means when discussing the CTE method of aiming pool shots.
Go to You Tube and enter the following words in the 'search space'. You'll find all you really need in order to understand what a perception in this CTE aiming means.
Here they are:
1. CTE Perceptions
2. The Ultimate Perception in REAL CTE
3. CTE A lesson in perception.
4. Extremely Important CTE Perception info.

Keep on truckin'


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No, but thanks. I've bought his DVD and the pivots, over/under, come in from the left, come in from the right, 15,30,45 stuff and it looks like a few years to learn his aiming. You guys can have it. I'm more interested in shape on the next ball getting a conducive angle to move the CB to the next place with center English. I don't see any posts or threads on that on AZB. Maybe that doesn't count. If you can MAKE a ball, you're all good to go. I have a teacher that knows all that "aiming" crapola is pure BS and he can prove it at his table in about 15 minutes. Wonder why we're not discussing SAMBA? Where are all the guys that know that man's work? He's got the PSR's, setups, pivots, aim this way, aim that way, etc.

 

[Low500]

No, but thanks. I've bought his DVD and the pivots, over/under, come in from the left, come in from the right, 15,30,45 stuff and it looks like a few years to learn his aiming. You guys can have it. I'm more interested in shape on the next ball getting a conducive angle to move the CB to the next place with center English. I don't see any posts or threads on that on AZB. Maybe that doesn't count. If you can MAKE a ball, you're all good to go. I have a teacher that knows all that "aiming" crapola is pure BS and he can prove it at his table in about 15 minutes. Wonder why we're not discussing SAMBA? Where are all the guys that know that man's work? He's got the PSR's, setups, pivots, aim this way, aim that way, etc.

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[SpiderWebComm]

I have a teacher that knows all that "aiming" crapola is pure BS and he can prove it at his table in about 15 minutes.

Sounds to me like your best bet would be to only listen to your teacher about EVERYTHING and not come here for the chance of getting INFECTED with something contradictory to what he teaches that seems to be EVERYTHING. Aiming is BS? STAY OUT OF THE AIMING FORUM AND GO TO THE MAIN FORUM.

It's like if you're stuck in the same room or office with everybody in there sick from the flu, more than likely you're going to get INFECTED sooner than later or never.

In my opinion your teacher is full of CRAPOLA and PURE BS and I don't appreciate hearing what he teaches you or how great he is. There are MORE instructors, GREAT AND WELL KNOWN INSTRUCTORS in this country teaching AIMING for decades. Your instructor is in a MINORITY OF ONE!

Just leave and do what he says. Aiming or this particular forum is not for you.

 

[AtLarge]

... I asked you to post the post I made years ago mentioning I did some work behind the scenes for AZ. Where is it? How about some other member?

There were only 3 people who knew anything, me, the other person who did the lion's share of the work and MH. THAT'S IT!

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=289086

 

[Bobkitty]

Sounds to me like your best bet would be to only listen to your teacher about EVERYTHING and not come here for the chance of getting INFECTED with something contradictory to what he teaches that seems to be EVERYTHING. Aiming is BS? STAY OUT OF THE AIMING FORUM AND GO TO THE MAIN FORUM.

It's like if you're stuck in the same room or office with everybody in there sick from the flu, more than likely you're going to get INFECTED sooner than later or never.

In my opinion your teacher is full of CRAPOLA and PURE BS and I don't appreciate hearing what he teaches you or how great he is. There are MORE instructors, GREAT AND WELL KNOWN INSTRUCTORS in this country teaching AIMING for decades. Your instructor is in a MINORITY OF ONE!

Just leave and do what he says. Aiming or this particular forum is not for you.

I think you are correct. When you've spent 3-5 years learning these systems maybe you'll come back to learning it the HARD way like one of the greatest pool player, Mosconi. I'll butt out.

 

[emccune]

I suggest you read the sticky on forum rules for this forum. The moderators have had enough and won't allow negative comments about aiming systems. This isn't really a discussion forum anymore so be careful what you say! If you have something positive to say that is fine.

Actually Dan I have no issue with aiming systems. Lots of people we both knew and respected at |RSB used to use them and seemed to benefit from them. I even like to read descriptions of them to try out cause...you never know what might click...maybe not even in the way the originator hoped for.

There are a number of shots, particularly with solids, where i have trouble aligning the contact points and have developed a number of methods to zero in on them but these are far from aiming systems and only seem to work for me. Mostly fractional methods. I might benefit a bit from a system but don't really want to learn one. I actually enjoy puttering around on the table trying to figure stuff out and I recall you used to too.

I might look up this poolology that is mentioned because it sounds similar to a method I devised on my own although mine is more of an approximation of the shotline and not really bang on accurate. Just out of curiosity mainly.

 

[BC21]

Many thanks, At Large!
Summary: Poolology is an approximation system that does NOT consist of precision alignments.
I am glad that someone gets it that does not mind speaking up. I already knew the answer but my opinion does not count in this matter.
I suspect that PJs findings would mirror the same results.

Stan Shuffett

Notice how I (or anyone that has purchased Poolology) did not attack or insult AtLarge for his assessment and honest opinion of the system. I even stated that he was pretty much spot on but not quite right. He came up with a change in the required angle to be about 5.5° from 1 diamond away vs 5 diamonds away. This is correct. The incorrect part is stating that the shot does not go from 1 diamond away. It goes. A 3/8 aim will work from 1 diamond to 4 diamonds very accurately.

The system targets the 38.7° fractional hit to overcut the pocket. With no CIT the shot would hit the outside tip of the pocket and not go in. Physics is a beautiful thing. CIT pushes this particular shot angle to around 36 to 37 degrees, which from a CB 1 diamond away sends the ob just left of center pocket, toward the facing (when cutting the ball to the right). Keeping the aim point and shooting from 4 diamonds away will produce the same 36 to 37 degree shot. But the perception of the 3/8 aim point shifts slighty, causing the shot angle to shift from left to right across the mouth of the pocket (once again, if cutting the ob to the right).. AtLarge is correct that from 5 diamonds out the shot may shift too much and miss the pocket. But the CB would be frozen to the rail, and from this distance and CB location, pocketing the ball is low-percentage shot for almost any player, regardless of what aiming method a player uses.

I appreciate AtLarge for his comments, because they prompted me to update the book with details about these issues. His review made the book better.

Did you think about answering my question? The one about CTE automatically lining a player for an overcut in order to hit center pocket, but in all of your clips you stun every shot. Knowing a stun shot dramatically increases CIT, often changing the angle by as much as 3 or 4 degrees, how are you hitting center pocket?

 

[emccune]

I am basically new to this. I am curious so will take a look. Thanks for that. I likely won't take the time to internalize it but no harm taking a look. If I can't use it I will Not run it down here.

This is a reply to LOW500 post 132.