What level am i at?

Cornerman said:
Post any video of you shooting. Forget all the posts. I assume you still want to get an opinion of your skill level.

Freddie <~~~ videos
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I was going to say the same thing, if you post a video of yourself playing a few racks of anything, it should be pretty simple to figure out your skill. You can tell about how good a player is if you watch them for 10 minutes as long as they are not fooling around. Would be tough to tell an A from and Open from a Pro in a short time, but would be a rough estimate.
 
coco9 said:
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If that is right that Gabe Owen basically robbed the 13 ball ghost I think some peoples opinions on how top pro's only occassionly would beat it is wrong. Gabe is/was a great player but not right at the top.
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I do think people on here are underestimating how good the top tier of players are when it comes to playing the ghost.

Pretty much anybody that can cash in a pro event will rob the ten ball ghost.

Those players that consistently cash in pro events can probably rob the 12 ball ghost.

If you are one of those players that consistently cashes in pro events and you can break good (probably necessary to consistently cash) then you will probably have a pretty good chance of beating the 13 ball ghost.

I'm thinking a pro breaking a 13 ball rack has a pretty good chance of making a couple on the break. Then it's just a matter of managing the clusters. So I think there are a lot of guys that would be at least even money against it.

In general if someone can beat the 13 ball ghost 1 out of 10 sets than they are probably a shortstop level player with a good break.

1 out of 5 sets and you're doing pretty good, probably be able to cash at a pro event (at least in the U.S.)

1 out of 2/3 sets -- forget all the rating systems -- you are an EXCELLENT player!

- Just my initial thoughts on playing the ghost. I could be a bit off. I would love to hear Bartram or CJ's view on this.



---->10 ball ghost still beats me more than I beat him.
 
BasementDweller said:
I do think people on here are underestimating how good the top tier of players are when it comes to playing the ghost.

Pretty much anybody that can cash in a pro event will rob the ten ball ghost.

Those players that consistently cash in pro events can probably rob the 12 ball ghost.

If you are one of those players that consistently cashes in pro events and you can break good (probably necessary to consistently cash) then you will probably have a pretty good chance of beating the 13 ball ghost.

I'm thinking a pro breaking a 13 ball rack has a pretty good chance of making a couple on the break. Then it's just a matter of managing the clusters. So I think there are a lot of guys that would be at least even money against it.

In general if someone can beat the 13 ball ghost 1 out of 10 sets than they are probably a shortstop level player with a good break.

1 out of 5 sets and you're doing pretty good, probably be able to cash at a pro event (at least in the U.S.)

1 out of 2/3 sets -- forget all the rating systems -- you are an EXCELLENT player!

- Just my initial thoughts on playing the ghost. I could be a bit off. I would love to hear Bartram or CJ's view on this.



---->10 ball ghost still beats me more than I beat him.
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Thanks for this.

This is by far the most accurate and knowledgeable post on the whole thread.

To even emphasis more the pro's ability to beat the 13b ghost is I would be surprised if they didnt almost always get 2 off the break and quite often 3 or 4 then you are basically playing 9ball with ball in hand.

I think if more of the posters realised what you have said then I might not have been shot down quite as much.
 
coco9 said:
Hi guys, new to the forum

was looking for a better understanding on where my game is at as I have not been playing in tournaments for a while.
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Have you tried the Billiard University (BU) playing-ability exams and pool workout yet? The BU scoring/rating system does a pretty good job of accessing and helping you work on a wide range of pool skills.

The 10-ball-ghost rating drill is also fairly effective at assessing run-out skills.

coco9 said:
I currently play the 13 ball ghost regularly, i win some lose some but most recently won 9-6.
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If you can do this routinely, you don't need any rating system ... you're awesome.

Regards,
Dave

PS: If you do try the BU exams, please consider posting your scores (and videos if available) on the AZB BU thread.
 
Other than playing 13-ball ghost, running balls in straight pool is another way to measure skill.
 
ctyhntr said:
Other than playing 13-ball ghost, running balls in straight pool is another way to measure skill.
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I'd say its the only way to measure a players skill set. But I'm madly in love with 14.1 so my opinion is very one sided.
Its a mixture of everything in one game. Very addictive and very tough.

Coco9...have you dabbled in much straight pool, and what is your highest run? Knowing your highest run and average runs people could get a decent idea of where you are at.
 
coco9 said:
I am playing tomorrow but agaisnt a friend. next time i will play the ghhost will probably be a week and a half.

Not going to wager as I havent said i can consistently beat it but i will record some and post it here.

I am actually getting bored of all the bs.

Im guessing once I post a vid it will be well that wasnt him, then what? Do I post my drivers license for proof?
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No you give my your paypal, I say congratulations, props to your skill and pay you.

It's just a friendly wager to get you fired up to play your best.

You see that's what's wrong with pool these days. Ask a man to play for a dollar and they get all butt hurt.

JC
 
JC, I got $20 that says we never see a video. You want the other side of that? :)

-td
 
JC said:
No you give my your paypal, I say congratulations, props to your skill and pay you.

It's just a friendly wager to get you fired up to play your best.

You see that's what's wrong with pool these days. Ask a man to play for a dollar and they get all butt hurt.

JC
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Giva a whata who's paypal :eek:
 
IMO, the 10-ball and 15-ball ghosts are much better games for measuring offensive skill than the in-between games. I don't know about other tables, but the 12-ball ghost breaks gaffy as hell on my table at home (double-shimmed GCII). I regularly make 3-4 balls on the break and end up with fewer clusters than I do with 10-ball. I love playing the 12-ball ghost, but for the last few years I've been playing it by just throwing the balls out on the table. I end up with random layouts, clusters and all, and I always have to run 12 to win the game.

If you do post a video, I'd recommend 10-ball so people can see you break a rack that actually exists in the wild.

Aaron
 
Pidge said:
I'd say its the only way to measure a players skill set. But I'm madly in love with 14.1 so my opinion is very one sided.
Its a mixture of everything in one game. Very addictive and very tough.

Coco9...have you dabbled in much straight pool, and what is your highest run? Knowing your highest run and average runs people could get a decent idea of where you are at.
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Played a few times but not recently.

Had runs over 50 but never 100
 
If theres no video, it never happened. Nothing personal, just the nature of the internet.
 
Bambu said:
If theres no video, it never happened. Nothing personal, just the nature of the internet.
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ok fair enough

this wasnt about me beating the 13b ghost though, i didnt come on here to brag about that. i have said i much more often lose.

This has all come about because most posters seem to think beating the 13b ghost is almost impossible and all the top pro's would struggle to beat it. That is MORE laughable than me saying i occassionly win when in stroke!

More knowledgeable people have come on and explained the top pro's WOULD beat the 13b ghost but that doesnt seem to count for anything.

I havent tried to claim i can run 400 at straight pool (like the pro's can) I am quite aware my 50+ runs are pretty poor compared to good players.
 
coco9 said:
ok fair enough

this wasnt about me beating the 13b ghost though, i didnt come on here to brag about that. i have said i much more often lose.

This has all come about because most posters seem to think beating the 13b ghost is almost impossible and all the top pro's would struggle to beat it. That is MORE laughable than me saying i occassionly win when in stroke!

More knowledgeable people have come on and explained the top pro's WOULD beat the 13b ghost but that doesnt seem to count for anything.

I havent tried to claim i can run 400 at straight pool (like the pro's can) I am quite aware my 50+ runs are pretty poor compared to good players.
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The more you say, the deeper the hole gets. With all due respect, sir: Post a video, or move on to a different thread.
 
Bambu said:
The more you say, the deeper the hole gets. With all due respect, sir: Post a video, or move on to a different thread.
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What hole exactly? I dont understand the problem or the big deal here.

I will post a video when i next play and it will be of me vs the 13b ghost and hopefully holding my own
 
Bambu said:
The more you say, the deeper the hole gets. With all due respect, sir: Post a video, or move on to a different thread.
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A good video and score/rating to post would be a BU Exam video. Many other AZB users have posted scores and ratings on the AZB BU thread.

I look forward to seeing coco9's scores and video. Based on what he has written, he should be able to post a fairly high score.

Good luck coco9,
Dave
 
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When Cj Wiley was at the top of his game, he was beating the 12 ball ghost about 50% of the time if I recall what he said in his videos.

So, what you are saying is that you are a World Class Player. Nothing wrong with that, but that is the level of someone who is doing well with the 12 ball ghost. You sound that good if not better.

That is why so many are questioning it.

It's like all the heroes here that have 6 - 8 packs under their belts. I know a real strong player who has one 5 pack. He could do well in the Joss events i think...
 
coco9 said:
More knowledgeable people have come on and explained the top pro's WOULD beat the 13b ghost but that doesnt seem to count for anything.
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The most knowledgeable people are going to tell you that a pro beating the 13-ball ghost is a proposition that is going to vary widely from pro to pro and from table to table. Of course a pro can beat the 13 ball ghost, but he doesn't have to, and he won't even be favored to on certain equipment. On one of those brutal tables at Hard Times, most pros don't even have to beat the 10-ball ghost.

If you want to get an honest assessment of your game, you will have to come with performance stats that mean something - unfortunately, "I sometimes beat the 13-ball ghost" falls far short of the mark.

Just to give you an example: I have played great players all over the country - pros, amateurs, and a few world class players - but the biggest package that was ever put on me was by a kid from OK who's name I don't even remember. He strung 8 on me playing 9-ball on a Gandy Big G, but he wasn't rated higher than a B+ or A- player. He just had this break that would make you want to go buy a set of earplugs before flipping for the second set. He could come on here and say "I ran an 8-pack. How good am I?", and probably nobody would say B+/A- because they didn't play him for 4 hours like I did.

Some around here are just going to hate, but others (myself included) would honestly like to see you play a real game like 10-ball or straight pool. If you post something like that, you will get a lot of honest feedback... and if you beat the 10-ball ghost 9-1, you'll probably get some more hate, LOL. That's the nature of the forum.

Aaron
 
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