Bob. I am very surprised you say to play the 13 first.
I don't think any one said play the 10-15 combo. For sure I didn't.
What order to shoot the stripes with ball in hand?
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I don't think any one said play the 10-15 combo. For sure I didn't.
WobblyStroke
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You have like a foot and a half of space to simply roll into off the 13 to be fine on the 15. If you are worried about getting goofy on the 15 you aren't getting out anyway. Certainly not pulling off that tough 11 to 13 with any regularity. Cuz that is a shot very easy to get goofy on.
Ok. If you say so. The 13 has 4 pockets. No way I shoot that first. And you can bet I'm getting out. lol
10, 14, 13, 15, 11, 8
Thing is though, the 15 is a gimme with BIH so you have just one positional shot from the 11 to the 13, at which point you have to pick your pocket for it and you’d have to end up so far out of position for one of the other pockets to come into play as a good shot to get on the 14. I don’t care how many pockets it has if it doesn’t make for easy options. If the 5 wasn’t there and the corner by the 14 was open whole different story, that would make for an easy shot you could go side or corner on. But the other 3 pockets don’t offer viable bale outs from a positional play to the side pocket unless you’re way off.
Lot of ways it could be played and I’m sure it comes down to shots people like and are comfortable with. I love the 13 into 15, to me that is an easy positional shot and hard it’s screw up. 11 to 13 is touchy to my eyes.
Here's my earlier post simplified.
14 in the r/side center high cue ball to the 15/15 center high cue ball to the 11/11 center high roller cue ball to the 13/13 center high roller cue ball to the 10, if close to 13 then draw towards 10.... next 10 ball stop shot 8 ball straight in.... couldn't be any simpler.
Most every shot is cued with 12 o'clock high center follow. Thee most simple shot to perform great speed control and direction control.
14 in the r/side center high cue ball to the 15/15 center high cue ball to the 11/11 center high roller cue ball to the 13/13 center high roller cue ball to the 10, if close to 13 then draw towards 10.... next 10 ball stop shot 8 ball straight in.... couldn't be any simpler.
Most every shot is cued with 12 o'clock high center follow. Thee most simple shot to perform great speed control and direction control.
My first thought looking at this rack is that the 11 to 13 transition is just nasty. If this was a league and my opponent was a 6 or even 7 and he started with the 15 which seems like the obvious "by the book" starter, I would expect them to screw up that transition more than half of the time. It's just so dicey and even a slight mishit you get out of line. I also look at the 14 and 10 and pretty much if I am in the general neighborhood of the center of the table there are so many 3 ball patterns to get out reliably that you don't even need to be super precise on getting to the center off the 11. So roll the 13 for the 10. Roll in the 11 and come out between the 3 and 5. Then choose best last 3. Rolling the 11 with top left has a bit of a missed shot element but looks like it would be pretty straightforward here and as long as I hit it hard enough to see the 14 past the 5 I am getting out. But to me starting with the 15 definitely is a "danger will Robinson" starter because the solids make the 13 so awkward.
I like the 11 to the 13 better than the 11 to either the 14 or 10 given the 3 blockers. Simple 1 rail to get position on 13 in the corner or bottom side if it rolls too far. I'm not playing for position on the 13 in the top side. I think I will set this up on my table now.
DeeDeeCues
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I'm amazed that so many people think the 13 is so scary. I'll thank you for leaving me what you did if a ball that easy is the hardest or second hardest problem.
DeeDeeCues
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I like the 11 to the 13 better than the 11 to either the 14 or 10 given the 3 blockers. Simple 1 rail to get position on 13 in the corner or bottom side if it rolls too far. I'm not playing for position on the 13 in the top side. I think I will set this up on my table now.
You don't have any blockers if you use top/top left when shooting the 11.
A few things come to mind here.
1st is do you think that you can get out with BIH?
2nd with BIH if you think you can get out, always remove the problem ball first.
3rd if you get out of line, what is your saver ball?
1st is do you think that you can get out with BIH?
2nd with BIH if you think you can get out, always remove the problem ball first.
3rd if you get out of line, what is your saver ball?
Ok. I like the 13 first. It ain't much, but I have an open state 8-ball championship on tight 9' tables. My strategy worked then, and it works today.
It was not to imply you could not run it out. It's not a difficult layout and I'm confident I could get out regularly starting with any of the balls.
That said , if my opponent has bih and starts with the open ball in the middle of the table I consider it a strong indicator in my favor.
I agree, these threads can be great fun! I never even looked at reply #2, before setting it up, and running it out. I went 15, 11, 13, 14, 10, 8, but I didn't get the right english on the ten. I had to bank the 8, cross corner. There is never one correct answer to these questions. It depends on the table and your own skill set. I'd love to see a random sampling of top 100 players run this out, then throw in some 550-700. There is no one correct way.
. There is never one correct answer to these questions. It depends on the table and your own skill set. I'd love to see a random sampling of top 100 players run this out, then throw in some 550-700. There is no one correct way.Completely agree with playing patterns with insurance in mind but the only key ball worse then 13 is the 11.
My pattern goes 15, 11, 13, 10, 14, 8...
The 14 is the most open ball on the table and is insurance for nearly any failed shot prior, so leave it to the end. It also allows you to leave the CB anywhere on 75% of the table and still have a clean shot on the 8. I would alternate between the the 14 and 10 as the key depending on the day and how I was feeling. The 10 does open yourself up to getting a little silly cut angle that may put undue pressure on 8 ball shape.
I think that's because everyone is assuming the 13 must be potted in the top side pocket.
I'd roll the CB forward 2 rails after dropping the 11 and play for the bottom/right corner opposite to the 15.
I guess it would all depend on your opponent. Like Freddie, I've also won an 8-ball state championship and I wouldn't hesitate to shoot a ball in the middle of the table first. Sometimes, those balls are the hardest to get good on since you'll find yourself crossing the positional line often. I'd like to think anyone 650+ Fargo would get out here almost every time. Like some have mentioned earlier, there are a couple of spots here that can get tricky.
WobblyStroke
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Damn. Me n Gatz are on an island on this one. 13 last is my borderline second favorite option to 13 first.
Getting on the 10 from the 14 is easy in a number of ways. you have basically guaranteed shape on the 13 off the 10 and the 8 is a simple natural roll off the 13. I like it.