What Pro has gotten the most out of the talent God gave him/her

mchnhed

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De420MadHatter

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the accounts I've read of Don Willis read con artist, shady dude, who never won any major pool titles

Never heard to him referred to as shady. Smart, yes. He raised a family hustling people in all types of games. A degenerate he was not, not by any means. He preferred hustling to tournaments, and hated publicity. Pool titles would have been well within his reach, had he chose the life of a tournament player.
 

JohnnyOzone

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Better than the Worst?

Only Harold Worst won all the following in a single season: the three-cushion billiards world championship, two major all-round pool world championships (straight pool, one pocket and nine-ball), and an English snooker tournament. And he did it while dying of brain cancer, in his last year on the planet. Other players remarked how sick he looked, even as they marveled at how magnificently he played.

I certainly thought of Worst.
Maybe he wins the "greatest player that didn't get the chance to fulfill his full potential" award.
If he would have taken up pool ten years earlier.....just thinking about it hurts.
 

KMRUNOUT

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I don't see any evidence for a god.

You see plenty. You choose to interpret it differently. There is absolutely zero evidence that there is *not* a God. There is plenty of evidence that there may be a God. However, it requires considerable intellect and reason to see its depths.

I agree about God, there is no evidence. I was trying to be nice.

The natural talent Darwin talked about might be a better way of putting it.
;)

People looking for "evidence" for God are deeply misguided about a lot of things

Then how can the child of poor, uneducated parents be a child genius or prodigy?

You didn't specify the genetic predisposition of the parents. They may be potential geniuses, who simply, as you say, were poor and uneducated and had no opportunity to develop those talents.

Take your "there is a God" rant and hate to the NPR section.
Rant? You take the sentence or two that people had said so far as a rant? This must be some sort of "trigger issue" for you.

I'm not gonna go into Darwins ideas or genetics here. It's a pool forum.but if you believe a talent is a gift from god, you have at the same time invoked that gods responsability for all the less fortunate people, whi try just as hard and don't make it.
The problem of sufffering is a questions that theology really don't have a good answer for.

Actually, you might consider studying theology and/or philosophy before saying that, as the questions you present have been thoroughly answered for many centuries. Darwinism, God, and human suffering are not the least bit incompatible. Again, you have to analyze it effectively to see this. People in general are not good at this. Like, really really bad at it. Studying the "what it is" and the "why it is" and the "what I should do" are all different things. They have different types of information. Darwin and science in general does a great job with the "what it is" questions. However, it offers almost nothing with regard to the other 2 questions. Think of it this way: understanding 100% of all the physics of pool balls is unseful, but really doesn't teach you how to play pool all that much, if at all. It doesn't tell you how to stand, how to make your arm achieve the correct speed of stroke, and it tells you nothing about what shot to take, and it tells you even less about *why* you should play pool at all. Science is *one* tool, a very effective tool, for answering the "what it is" questions. Personally, I ask more questions than that. To each his or her own though.

KMRUNOUT
 

KMRUNOUT

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the accounts I've read of Don Willis read con artist, shady dude, who never won any major pool titles

We must have ready different accounts. I read that he was a dedicated husband and provided a good living for his family throughout his life. I never read anything about con artist or shady dude. I did read that he didn't win any major titles, but I also read that was by choice, because he wanted to remain unknown. I read he didn't want to be photographed.

I'd provide some links but I would do that by searching google, so have at it if you're interested.

KMRUNOUT
 

bryanlee

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All of the TOP PROS dogged Don Willis! Mosconi wouldn't even bet against him. He busted Luther Lassiter at 9-ball in whimpys prime to the point Luther took him on the road... Lassiter publicly said, "If I ever had to have someone else shoot pool for my life, win or lose, live or die, the man that I'd have shooting for me is Don Willis." (THATS STRONG I DONT CARE WHO YOU ARE)
 

Poolplaya9

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What Pro has gotten the most out of the talent God gave him/her?

On the other side of the coin, who kinda screwed the pooch in that area?

Put another way, whose game has most exceeded what their talent would have suggested it should be, and whose game has fallen most short of what their talent would have suggested they were capable of. Or put another way yet, who has most exceeded their talent by putting in the hard work, and whose laziness or other choices have caused them to fall the furthest short of what they could have accomplished. For the former Hunter Lombardo and Shane Van Boening immediately come to mind, and for the latter, Corey Deuel.
 

KMRUNOUT

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Put another way, whose game has most exceeded what their talent would have suggested it should be, and whose game has fallen most short of what their talent would have suggested they were capable of. Or put another way yet, who has most exceeded their talent by putting in the hard work, and whose laziness or other choices have caused them to fall the furthest short of what they could have accomplished. For the former Hunter Lombardo and Shane Van Boening immediately come to mind, and for the latter, Corey Deuel.

Excellent reply. I agree 100%

KMRUNOUT
 

easy-e

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Rant? You take the sentence or two that people had said so far as a rant? This must be some sort of "trigger issue" for you.


KMRUNOUT

It was an inside joke. It didn't land. I get it. Sorry, everybody.
 

Kim Bye

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You see plenty. You choose to interpret it differently. There is absolutely zero evidence that there is *not* a God. There is plenty of evidence that there may be a God. However, it requires considerable intellect and reason to see its depths.



People looking for "evidence" for God are deeply misguided about a lot of things



You didn't specify the genetic predisposition of the parents. They may be potential geniuses, who simply, as you say, were poor and uneducated and had no opportunity to develop those talents.


Rant? You take the sentence or two that people had said so far as a rant? This must be some sort of "trigger issue" for you.



Actually, you might consider studying theology and/or philosophy before saying that, as the questions you present have been thoroughly answered for many centuries. Darwinism, God, and human suffering are not the least bit incompatible. Again, you have to analyze it effectively to see this. People in general are not good at this. Like, really really bad at it. Studying the "what it is" and the "why it is" and the "what I should do" are all different things. They have different types of information. Darwin and science in general does a great job with the "what it is" questions. However, it offers almost nothing with regard to the other 2 questions. Think of it this way: understanding 100% of all the physics of pool balls is unseful, but really doesn't teach you how to play pool all that much, if at all. It doesn't tell you how to stand, how to make your arm achieve the correct speed of stroke, and it tells you nothing about what shot to take, and it tells you even less about *why* you should play pool at all. Science is *one* tool, a very effective tool, for answering the "what it is" questions. Personally, I ask more questions than that. To each his or her own though.

KMRUNOUT

Tried to send you a PM, but your PM box is full :)
 

pt109

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All of the TOP PROS dogged Don Willis! Mosconi wouldn't even bet against him. He busted Luther Lassiter at 9-ball in whimpys prime to the point Luther took him on the road... Lassiter publicly said, "If I ever had to have someone else shoot pool for my life, win or lose, live or die, the man that I'd have shooting for me is Don Willis." (THATS STRONG I DONT CARE WHO YOU ARE)

I think you're over reacting to Wimpy's appraisal of Willis.....
....he admired Don but did not consider himself inferior....
...Wimpy, Don Willis, and George Rood were considered equals and did not compete.

Efren said the same thing about Nick Varner....he would pick him to shoot that one big
shot for all the cash....but Efren didn't think Nick was better...he picked Sigel of the
Americans.

BTW, Nick Varner deserves a mention in this thread as a role model for making the most
with what he has.....had to pry his fingers from the rails to get him off the table.
 

bryanlee

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Varner used to come in my dads pool hall when I was young! I can remember brushing the tables at the end of the night and thinking to myself how do I get these finger prints off of the slate. (Almost joking) Yes Nick does deserve a place in this thread. He holds world titles in 5 different disciplines of the sport.. As far as Willis there is a story of a kid talking him into 20 a rack 9-ball. Willis told the kid I don't bet less than 50 a game. So they decided on 20 a game if the nine goes its a win the 9 spots and the game continues. Willis made 27 combinations in a row on the 9 in one game so the kid couldn't quit him! (When that single game was over Willis was up almost $550 bucks) he told that kid this is why you don't hustle the unknown! He did that just to prove a point then he told that kid keep his money and stay in school..
In my opinion he did more with his talent teaching that kid a lesson than most pool players do in a lifetime! Also after Don busted Lassiter they never matched up again! I'm not saying by any means he was the best I'm just saying he must have had some natural talent. He would wait around and challenge the tournament winners of the day then beat them giving them a spot. It's well documented that the top pros of the day wouldn't ever play him for money. He must have had some kind of talent!
 
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