what to do 1pocket
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Best thing I ever read about 1 Pocket was:
The game of one pocket should not be shrouded in mystery, although it may seem that way at times.
It is simply a matter of improving your position on the table, and leaving your opponent in the worst possible spot you can.
There are not always easy options. But there is ALWAYS a way out of any trap you find yourself in. Sometimes it may involve an intentional scratch, sometimes it may involve prayer, but there is almost always a way.
The game does require a hugh amount of imagination. You have to analyze each shot by thinking what will your opponent be able to do to retalliate. That is the most common mistake I see in most beginers. It does no good for you to make a real good dig on an opponents ball, if that leaves him a chance to put you in an even worse prediciment.
That is why most people, new to the game, watching a good player's shot selection will say, "why the hell did he do that, when he could have easily played a safety."
What looks like an easy safety, can have many pitfalls. Many times, not always, a slightly riskier shot, might be the best option.
All good 1P players subscribe to the "risk/reward" theory.
The better players just take that to another level. Pinpoint cueball control sure helps these guys. But you should always know your own capabilities, and shoot the best shot for you.
At least thats my take on the game. I hope I have made some sense to anyone trying to learn the game. It ain't rocket science, but it is a lesson in patience and manuervering that can be learned, and can be very rewarding.
We could cite a million WEI table examples, but the next time you step up to a shot, it could well be different than any you've faced before. Imagine that !
Maybe thats why we love this game. Good luck to all in learning the greatest game on a pool table.
The game of one pocket should not be shrouded in mystery, although it may seem that way at times.
It is simply a matter of improving your position on the table, and leaving your opponent in the worst possible spot you can.
There are not always easy options. But there is ALWAYS a way out of any trap you find yourself in. Sometimes it may involve an intentional scratch, sometimes it may involve prayer, but there is almost always a way.
The game does require a hugh amount of imagination. You have to analyze each shot by thinking what will your opponent be able to do to retalliate. That is the most common mistake I see in most beginers. It does no good for you to make a real good dig on an opponents ball, if that leaves him a chance to put you in an even worse prediciment.
That is why most people, new to the game, watching a good player's shot selection will say, "why the hell did he do that, when he could have easily played a safety."
What looks like an easy safety, can have many pitfalls. Many times, not always, a slightly riskier shot, might be the best option.
All good 1P players subscribe to the "risk/reward" theory.
The better players just take that to another level. Pinpoint cueball control sure helps these guys. But you should always know your own capabilities, and shoot the best shot for you.
At least thats my take on the game. I hope I have made some sense to anyone trying to learn the game. It ain't rocket science, but it is a lesson in patience and manuervering that can be learned, and can be very rewarding.
We could cite a million WEI table examples, but the next time you step up to a shot, it could well be different than any you've faced before. Imagine that !
Maybe thats why we love this game. Good luck to all in learning the greatest game on a pool table.
Requirements? Immediate loss? What? An intentional foul is calculated risk intended to preserve a good position or defend a precarious one. It's not a substitute for a good shot, nor is it appropriate everywhere and anytime - especially when other options have better (or at least as good) likelihood of success. This is so despite the fact you COULD take the foul.Patrick Johnson said:
I've seen what you suggest happen quite a bit. Someone saw or heard of Efren (of someone else) taking an intentional foul, so they want to show they are skilled enough to try it. Most times it's just a terrible shot with no justification (like the shot you suggest here). But they think they've shown a new level of play by taking the foul. Please. Some people are taking it to the extreme and shooting intentional fouls every game, or every other game. Put another way, just because it can be done, doesn't mean it should be your FIRST CHOICE. I honestly believe that there is NO WAY Cliff, John, Jose, Billy, Efren, etc would be taking a foul from here.
IMO, in the layout presented, taking an intentional foul by punting the cue ball to the bottom rail is not increasing your chances of winning. You are losing a point when your opponent only has 1 ball he could score. And even if you put the cue ball in the jaws, you are going to be stuck to the 7 ball the next shot anyway.
What 2 or 3 balls are you seeing that are an immediate threat here? I must be missing something.
Taking a foul and putting the cue ball on the bottom rail is NOT trapping your opponent, nor does it make it worse for him. At BEST you are just surviving, but not for long. That is, if your opponent pushed the intentional foul back to the same (or close to the same spot) what would you do? Take another foul to the same spot and be on 2 fouls?
Clearly, those aren't your only two choices here.
-td
T0dd-Pocket said:
damn it i said it first. it seems like no one ever reads my post
td873 said:
This is what i think would happen if you leave the cueball up table. it ends up taking a ball away from your side of the table and puts it on his side
http://CueTable.com/P/?@1AYpD3BAlC3...acED3aLFJ4gGQP4gGQQ3hCQb3hCQa2kYUy4kSuk4kSxw@
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I say 2 or 3 rail under the stack and stick the cue on the 8. Side, end side rail behind the 8. You dont need to do anything fancy here. No need to poosibly sell out if you dont have to. Plus why mve a ball from your side of the table if you dont have to. Nothing wrong with a foul.
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I definitely dont like that position. You leave a blast shot that can move balls to the other hole by banking the 6. To much good can happen for the other player. I have gone 10 and out from something like this.poolplayer2093 said:
senor said:
What're you talking about? where is it you think i'm talking about leaving the cue ball?
I thought you were saying to leave the cue ball up table. i guess it was someone else. but from there, I would make a firm hit that banked the 6 inti the stack. who knows what would happen.
subdude1974 said:
yeah i got a little confused reading your post. it was someone else that suggested leaving the cue ball up table.
i was the guy saying to thing the 5 with inside english and put the cue ball 2 rails behind the 8
subdude1974 said:
yeah i got a little confused reading your post. it was someone else that suggested leaving the cue ball up table.
i was the guy saying to thing the 5 with inside english and put the cue ball 2 rails behind the 8
As much as I've tried I've never been able to get the Wei Table application to work on my computer. I have a Mac. I've installed Adobe Shockwave and it doesn't seem to help. I'd love to see what's going on here, but can't.
jay helfert said:
i have a mac and i can see 'em. i had to install something or update something. i forgot exactly what i did. try using firefox that might work
Tennesseejoe said:
Bingo!...........T-joe, you can be my partner playing some partners One Pocket - your shot choice is also my shot choice in this spot...it was my choice yesterday morning when I first saw this thread, but I was too lazy to post it....my second choice would probably be dabarbr's 2-rail kick to the 8.....sure would like to play some of these guys that like the wild aggressive shots here, lol.
- Ghost
td873 said:
you do not have to be in any danger of losing the game to take an intentional foul. i still would take the foul i discribed here, because it protects 3 balls on my side of the table. any time i can come to the table with 3 balls on my side, i feel like my previous shot was a good one.
can you kick?
I've looked at all the options mentioned and none of them seem right with the exception of the two to three rail kick around the stack toward the eight. This shot is my choice and should be hit with a medium speed. I see four things that can happen with this shot and three of them are productive, the other is less likely to happen with a minimal consequense.
If you're able to clear the four with your kick you will either hit the third rail behind the eight and move it cross table, or hit the eight before contacting the third rail which will also remove the eight, and as a plus you may relocate the cue ball near or in the stack. If you hit the four off the second rail of your kick you will either go to the side rail with the cue ball and back into the stack, or could possibly sell out a bank on the ten ball, but that is really unlikely but could happen. So sharpen up your kicking skills and go for it.
I've looked at all the options mentioned and none of them seem right with the exception of the two to three rail kick around the stack toward the eight. This shot is my choice and should be hit with a medium speed. I see four things that can happen with this shot and three of them are productive, the other is less likely to happen with a minimal consequense.
If you're able to clear the four with your kick you will either hit the third rail behind the eight and move it cross table, or hit the eight before contacting the third rail which will also remove the eight, and as a plus you may relocate the cue ball near or in the stack. If you hit the four off the second rail of your kick you will either go to the side rail with the cue ball and back into the stack, or could possibly sell out a bank on the ten ball, but that is really unlikely but could happen. So sharpen up your kicking skills and go for it.