What To Do Here?

DrCue'sProtege said:
thats another impossible shot.

geez, you posters that are clueless, dont waste time posting on these, ok? i get PMs all the time from others saying to ignore 75% or more of the responses, that they dont know what they are talking about, or are just being silly and ignorant.

so, for you posters out there that are quality players, what would you do?

DCP
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I keep coming back to this post, typing a reply and then delete it because I don't feel screwing around with it. However, I think that this post is extremely rude given that you have asked a question and then disparage people that have shown you different options.

Before this reply, there were two shots suggested. One looked perfectly legitimate while the other appeared to be a little dicey.

Why ask for help if you think 75% of the replys are erroneous or clueless as you put it???

Quite frankly, based on some of your questions that you have had in the past, I think several posters have thought you were clueless, as well.
 
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memikey said:
Depends partly on the calibre of your opponent but in general I hate the percentages on the option shown in this diagram. If we're going to play this layout in a cautious manner it's surely better to simply pot the 1 screwing into the 7 to stay as straight as poss on the 2 and from there then play any one of two or three much easier and better percentage safety shots.
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I don't necessarily disagree because you could run into the 7 and then bank the 2 back and try to put the cue behind the 5 and the 8, assuming you come up with the right angle. However, whenever you are going into a ball, anything can happen.

But your suggestion is very valid and definitely can work.
 
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DrCue'sProtege said:
why did i know somebody would say that???

you are going to RUN INTO THE 7-BALL!!!!!!

so, therefore, what do you do?

DCP

p.s. forgive me if the diagram is off a little, but you are GOING TO HIT THE 7-BALL!!!
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forgive me as well but your description leaves allot to be desired. so you're going to hit the 7 ball...where???? head on?.. to the right side?... to the left...??? the cue ball path, after hitting the object ball, is dertermined by the way you play it and the position of the balls, so though hitting the 7 may be an absolute, where you hit on it, and carom of it, makes all the difference in the path the cue ball takes after. the second poster, imo, was the first to have the right idea if the balls lay right.
 
alright Drcue's protege what do youthink the right shot is. i have to admit when i read your second responce to my idea i was a little offended but now i gotta know (just the way i am, i'll learn from anyone i can) what's the right shot here?
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
why did i know somebody would say that???

you are going to RUN INTO THE 7-BALL!!!!!!

so, therefore, what do you do?

DCP

p.s. forgive me if the diagram is off a little, but you are GOING TO HIT THE 7-BALL!!!
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Umm, that's the right shot. I don't see what you are throwing a fit for. You try to overcut the 1ball just slightly, so that the cueball will glance off the right side of the 7, and the inside english will take you 2-3 rails for shape on the 2. It's hard to do, but it's definately doable. I'm certain Efren would do that, he's great at shots like this.

If playing safe is just as tough, or tougher than shooting, you are supposed to shoot.

You can also cross the 1ball, and try to leave the cueball behind the 7, but I like my chances of trying to shoot and get shape better.
 
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Why don't we let Mr. Protege answer what the correct response in Protege's mind would be.

Personally, when pocketing the ball, i like (if it can be hit properly) nipping the 7, and going 2 rails with inside.

If the 7 must be hit full in the face, you can hit it with straight DRAW, and attempt to draw it right straight back up table.

If you can hit the outside of the 7, you might attempt outside english to come off the lower side rail and try to come up table that way, but that is not really high % cause that 3 ball is sitting on the side rail blocking that whole angle.

I most likely would not play safe in this situation, and these are basically the 3 major ways to try and get back uptable.

So come on Protege.

Lets hear it.

Surely you can post up what you think so we can all be the judge of YOU!
If any of the 3 shots i have mentioned do not make any sense to you, then you have a lot to learn.

Asking for an opinion, and then becoming hostile after someone gives a legitimate response, like you are the be-all-to-end-all of knowledge, makes it clear in my mind that you have no clue.
 
Yokel said:
haha, I'm evil but when I have an almost impossible shot on my next ball, I'd do this...

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By the way to make the table work... draw up your table and use the Export to Clipboard button.

Then paste (Ctrl+V) the table in your message and highlight it, and click the WEI button... poof :)
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That shot is impossible....;)

I would play the carom, two rail around for the 2 or play Penroses safe...
 
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DrCue'sProtege said:
why did i know somebody would say that???

you are going to RUN INTO THE 7-BALL!!!!!!

so, therefore, what do you do?

DCP

p.s. forgive me if the diagram is off a little, but you are GOING TO HIT THE 7-BALL!!!
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You hit the 1-ball with high inside, hoping to catch the inside of the 7-ball and run the cueball three rails. That's exactly what he said, and that's exactly what he meant. He didn't say he was going to miss the 7=ball. Pay attention if you're going to be asking questions.

Fred
 
Bigtruck said:
I have asked before how to embed the table. How do you do it?

Thanks

Ray
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Same as the previous imbedding. Surround the Wei string with WEI brackets.

Or, highlight the Wei string and hit that blue wei button (upper right) in the reply window. That puts WEI brackets around the string as well.

Fred
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
thats another impossible shot.

geez, you posters that are clueless, dont waste time posting on these, ok? i get PMs all the time from others saying to ignore 75% or more of the responses, that they dont know what they are talking about, or are just being silly and ignorant.

so, for you posters out there that are quality players, what would you do?

DCP
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Careful....Post like above get you lumped into the 75% rather quickly...;)

Since you MUST run in to the ball to pocket the shot....Using the 7 ball to your advantage and using a high inside english may very well be the best shot......It really depends on exactly how the balls lay on the table...I am fairly certain that the origonal reply felt (by looking at the layout diagramed) that the balls were far enough apart that the CB would only catch a piece of the 7-ball...If that is the case than that is exactly how it should be played.

NOW....You also say that Nick Varner opted to use a different shot....That tells me that (possibly) the balls were slightly different than diagramed and he felt that he was going to catch the 7-ball to full and the CB would lose its momentum into the rail (or not even go into the rail)...In that case he may have opted an attempt at drawing off the 7 back up table...(perhaps he did not hit the shot quite right and or he mis-read the layout just a little......

Also...perhaps the announcer mis-read the shot...They are not actually at the table and may not have the best view of the actual angles..

This layout is really tough to call based on a diagram......Most (of your so called 25%) will probably opt not to answer what is the correct shot, The correct shot depends on exactly how the balls lay on the table, table speed, conditions, other options, etc....Just a very slight difference in the way the balls lay can mean a totally different shot selection...
 
DCP,
If you are going to catch the 7 a thirdball or less, then the inside English will EASILY bring you around for the 2 ball. This is a standard straight pool position shot; and anyone can make it...it's not just for Efren (you should consider apologizing to the guy that first suggested it - it's the proper shot; and must be mastered by the aspiring pool player).

If you are catching the 7 full (and can't draw to avoid it), then forget the runout and play safe.
 
As some have suggested, you can clip the seven to play shape, but if you catch it too full, you may miss the shape, which is less automatic than some suggest.

If you don't like the shot, overcut the one intentionally and then you can miss the seven completely with the cue ball. With decent speed, you'll leave the one on the bottom rail and if you hit the cue with a little right english you can hook you opponent, too, using the five and eight as your blockers.

The argument against the kick safe here is that, even if you get the safe, you may leave a rail first chance to pocket the one.
 
I rack balls said:
This is how I would play it if I had to, I can not give a definitive answer given that this is not a real table, I can't judge how much of the 7 I would hit. When you said the announcer said it was a mistake hitting the 7 ball he must have been able to avoid it, it's probably not the same shot. And getting an attitude when you can't comprehend what other people are trying to tell you is just stupid, stop being a jerk. This is what the first response was saying which is what I would do as a "quality player".

Eric.

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I pretty much agree with Eric except for a couple of things. I don't think uper right inside english would hit the 7 until it came off the foot end rail, therefore throwing the cueball towards the upper side pocket. I also think his cue ball path is overly optimistic.

To me, just my opinion now, but you would have to use low right english
with little draw mostly spin to hit the 7 on the way down, and the spin coming off the 7 would 2 rail the cue ball up table, but I think you would
be pretty close to the lower side pocket, and have a little bit of a cut on the 2, but a shot.
 
my apologies to any and all i may have offended. it was late last night, just had a miserable date (she was 46, looked 56, acted 66) and when i got home i spend about 45 minutes at the table breaking racks of 9-Ball, and never getting any decent chances at running a rack.

i am sure the majority here are NOT clueless, didnt mean to offend anyone (especially poolplayer 2093) but at times some responses are indeed way out in leftfield. and i have gotten emails from others telling me to ignore certain posts and/or posters.

i guess on the spur of the moment i just assumed, in my bad frame of mind, that was happening again. i do like to post these shots and ask for ideas, and whether anyone believes it, i do read the responses, and often times go and practice the suggestions.

i just wish i had someone here in southern indiana that takes the game as seriously as i do that could give me some competition. when my old buddy Dave died it really left a void in my competitive situation. and at $3.25 a gallon for gasoline its very expensive to drive anywhere.

keep the responses and ideas coming. and again, my apologies for being rude. i guess i have been watching too many of my Earl Strickland tapes lately.........:confused:

DCP
 
i must admit i was completely wrong here. my apologies once again to PoolPlayer2093 and all those that said to hit the shot with high right, glance off the 7-Ball, and let the english bring you aroiund.

i just set up this shot on my GCIV, and executed it perfectly the very first time. i even said "Well i'll be da~ned" when it worked.

i guess, being tired like i was late last night, i saw where inside english was recommended and didnt finish reading the rest, about glancing off the 7-Ball and letting the english take you around.

irregardless, i was wrong, and i learned a new technique here. also learned that in spite of 48 years of experience i can still be a horse's a~s at times.

hope my fellow AZ Posters and Community will accept my apologies.

DCP
 
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I think it depends on whether you're going to hit the 7 fairly full, or only half full, or just clip the edge of it...

Based on the diagram, even with a rolling cueball you will be hitting the 7 pretty full. If that happens the cueball dies and won't come off at the nice angle needed to do what I rack balls suggested (which is just how I'd play it, if I could be sure I'd only be clipping the edge of the 7 rather than hitting it in the face).

If it turns out you must hit it pretty full and follow or draw can't abvoid a pretty full hit, there's one other way to play it. This shot is so theoretical that you'd probably have to smoke carpet fibers just to consider playing it. Normally I'd try rod's safety instead of this:

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The idea is to play a double kiss from the 7 ball, hoping it kisses back into the cueball at a happy angle that sends it up table.
 
Snapshot9 said:
I pretty much agree with Eric except for a couple of things. I don't think uper right inside english would hit the 7 until it came off the foot end rail, therefore throwing the cueball towards the upper side pocket. I also think his cue ball path is overly optimistic.

To me, just my opinion now, but you would have to use low right english
with little draw mostly spin to hit the 7 on the way down, and the spin coming off the 7 would 2 rail the cue ball up table, but I think you would
be pretty close to the lower side pocket, and have a little bit of a cut on the 2, but a shot.
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Remember, snapshot.. This shot is going to be hit firmly enough to go two rails after striking a ball. Even though hit with follow, the follow will not take until after contact with the 7, because the cue ball will "stun" off of the 1 because of the force used on the shot.

Go back to the diagram and check the tangent lines. Struck with the force necessary to get position, the cue ball will slide along the tangent line a good 3-5 inches after contacting the 1.

Hope this helps. Take this with a grain of salt. I'm a C player, dontcha know.. (Wink)

Russ
 
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