What would You do?

[JPB2]

NO
even the reef can't say nothing until you call it -

Is this right? Translation of UMB rules seem to suggest only ref can make the call. USBA rule seems to indicate that player or ref can call the foul. English translation of UMB rules seem…. I don’t know how clear. The ref surely can’t say anything before the player fouls. Of course it needs to be called because the player will retain points made before the call. But at 49-49 there won’t be a run.

For those saying the crowd should stick their nose in….. no way should a spectator influence a game let alone a championship final.

 

[Brother Ron]

I have a friend that was playing on league many years ago in a take what you make format...
He made a stripe on the break, then proceeded to run the table shooting the solids.
When he was lining up to shoot the 8 ball straight in his opponent told him -
You have stripes- then walked to the table and shot the 8 ball in.

 

[vasilios]

I have a friend that was playing on league many years ago in a take what you make format...
He made a stripe on the break, then proceeded to run the table shooting the solids.
When he was lining up to shoot the 8 ball straight in his opponent told him -
You have stripes- then walked to the table and shot the 8 ball in.

Diff game than 3cushion -
8 ball could be anything in the spring and you are playing in the fall --

 

[vasilios]

Is this right? Translation of UMB rules seem to suggest only ref can make the call. USBA rule seems to indicate that player or ref can call the foul. English translation of UMB rules seem…. I don’t know how clear. The ref surely can’t say anything before the player fouls. Of course it needs to be called because the player will retain points made before the call. But at 49-49 there won’t be a run.

For those saying the crowd should stick their nose in….. no way should a spectator influence a game let alone a championship final.

3cush , you control your ball -
reef sorts out what you did with it -

 

[JPB2]

3cush , you control your ball -
reef sorts out what you did with it -

Yes. But you seemed to say the ref couldn’t say anything until the opponent made the call. I don’t think that is the case. I think we agree the ref can’t do anything until the player plays the shot. Once the foul is committed the ref needs to call it. If the ref misses it at 49-49 in a world championship there is a problem. Looking at the USBA rule there is an explicit statement that the opponent can make the call. I suppose in a world championship the opponent could protest if the ref misses it and the player shooting the wrong cue ball scores.

Playing without a ref people need to know you have to call it. If you miss it the player keeps the points scored until the call. Of course in the small time tournaments I’ve played people will generally alert the opponent, but they don’t always notice. And you don’t have to alert the opponent.

 

[Bob Jewett]

I have a friend that was playing on league many years ago in a take what you make format...
He made a stripe on the break, then proceeded to run the table shooting the solids.
When he was lining up to shoot the 8 ball straight in his opponent told him -
You have stripes- then walked to the table and shot the 8 ball in.

That's the sort of move that starts brawls. That's not how the rules work in at least some leagues. Here is the rule from CSI/BCAPL/USAPL:

3. Once they are established, groups can never change for the remainder of that game. If a player shoots the wrong group and no foul is called before the next shot and the player continues to shoot at that group, or if at any time during the game it is discovered by either player or a referee that the players are shooting the wrong groups, the game will be replayed with the player who broke the game breaking again. If a game has ended and then the players realize they shot the wrong groups, the game is not replayed and the result stands.​

In general, a foul must be called when it happens. If I were the TD, I would call the opponent for unsportsmanlike conduct -- he did not call the first foul when he saw it. Forfeiture of the rack.

 

[vasilios]

Yes. But you seemed to say the ref couldn’t say anything until the opponent made the call. I don’t think that is the case. I think we agree the ref can’t do anything until the player plays the shot. Once the foul is committed the ref needs to call it. If the ref misses it at 49-49 in a world championship there is a problem. Looking at the USBA rule there is an explicit statement that the opponent can make the call. I suppose in a world championship the opponent could protest if the ref misses it and the player shooting the wrong cue ball scores.

Playing without a ref people need to know you have to call it. If you miss it the player keeps the points scored until the call. Of course in the small time tournaments I’ve played people will generally alert the opponent, but they don’t always notice. And you don’t have to alert the opponent.

sometimes a house tourny they let the reef handle all fouls -
If you get caught in a flip flop a ref will punish the last shooter -
so you got to be careful when you speak up -
that gets pretty wild when both shooters went 5 & 3 in consecutive shots -

 

[erriep]

yes , of course.
a matter of etiquette
honour is more important than win or loss.
(and he should play his ball because at 49/49 , i would try to let him the hardest shot possible if i miss)

 

[Black-Balled]

yes , of course.
a matter of etiquette
honour is more important than win or loss.
(and he should play his ball because at 49/49 , i would try to let him the hardest shot possible if i miss)

That sounds like a good excuse to shoot the wrong ball- that shot probably is better than the one with the correct ball!

Well, the foul aspect notwithstanding

 

[j2pac]

That's the sort of move that starts brawls. That's not how the rules work in at least some leagues. Here is the rule from CSI/BCAPL/USAPL:

3. Once they are established, groups can never change for the remainder of that game. If a player shoots the wrong group and no foul is called before the next shot and the player continues to shoot at that group, or if at any time during the game it is discovered by either player or a referee that the players are shooting the wrong groups, the game will be replayed with the player who broke the game breaking again. If a game has ended and then the players realize they shot the wrong groups, the game is not replayed and the result stands.​

In general, a foul must be called when it happens. If I were the TD, I would call the opponent for unsportsmanlike conduct -- he did not call the first foul when he saw it. Forfeiture of the rack.

This. /\

 

[sciarco]

In league play no playing for fun yes it happened to me ,get to my age 73 i forget my glasses cell phone car keys and than i go back in and get them lol.

 

[Cornerman]

Cueing the wrong ball in pool must be allowed. That shooter should be remembered.

I have never shot with the red ball and have a friend who did. He won't outlive that.

A new league player on the other team decades ago asked if she could hit a 2-9 combination, and we said she could. So, she hit the 2-ball into the 9-ball. The cueball was never part of the shot. She missed, so no harm, but she gave us ball in hand without trying to cover up, embarrassed as all get out.

 

[GoldCrown]

Scenario: World Championship final, 50 point game, score tied at 49-49. Your opponent is at table and cuing the WRONG BALL. Do you tell them?


You can explain the reason for Your answer.

No... (Is the game being reff'd? I'd bend down and tighten my shoe lace and let them shoot)
Reason.. a foul is a foul.

 

[Mensabum]

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Scenario: World Championship final, 50 point game, score tied at 49-49. Your opponent is at table and cuing the WRONG BALL. Do you tell them?


You can explain the reason for Your answer.

Depends...

 

[Mensabum]

What rotation game is 50 points? Putting that aside for a moment, the answer to your question is no. First, if it's a World Championship Final, then there is a referee presiding at the table. Would the referee tell the player they're shooting the wrong ball? Of course not. It's unethical for a referee to help a player. It's also inappropriate for a player to interfere with his opponent while at the table.

What would you do if the ref mistakenly told the player beforehand??

 

[Mensabum]

Is this right? Translation of UMB rules seem to suggest only ref can make the call. USBA rule seems to indicate that player or ref can call the foul. English translation of UMB rules seem…. I don’t know how clear. The ref surely can’t say anything before the player fouls. Of course it needs to be called because the player will retain points made before the call. But at 49-49 there won’t be a run.

For those saying the crowd should stick their nose in….. no way should a spectator influence a game let alone a championship final.

Does that mean I gotta quit throwing popcorn at them??

 

[mr3cushion]

Is this right? Translation of UMB rules seem to suggest only ref can make the call. USBA rule seems to indicate that player or ref can call the foul. English translation of UMB rules seem…. I don’t know how clear. The ref surely can’t say anything before the player fouls. Of course it needs to be called because the player will retain points made before the call. But at 49-49 there won’t be a run.

For those saying the crowd should stick their nose in….. no way should a spectator influence a game let alone a championship final.

The 'Ref' Can Not make the call!

 

[FranCrimi]

What would you do if the ref mistakenly told the player beforehand??

Well, first, I would stop the match and notify the tournament director. I would also request that the ref be replaced. As to what to do with the match, it will be up to the TD. If I were the TD, I'd flip a coin to see who shoots, or reset the table and have them lag. Keep the score.

 

[FranCrimi]

Yes. But you seemed to say the ref couldn’t say anything until the opponent made the call. I don’t think that is the case. I think we agree the ref can’t do anything until the player plays the shot. Once the foul is committed the ref needs to call it. If the ref misses it at 49-49 in a world championship there is a problem. Looking at the USBA rule there is an explicit statement that the opponent can make the call. I suppose in a world championship the opponent could protest if the ref misses it and the player shooting the wrong cue ball scores.

Playing without a ref people need to know you have to call it. If you miss it the player keeps the points scored until the call. Of course in the small time tournaments I’ve played people will generally alert the opponent, but they don’t always notice. And you don’t have to alert the opponent.

I think in the absence of a ref the opponent still can't alert his opponent because in the absence of a ref, the players are required to referee their match. A referee can't warn a player that he's shooting the wrong ball, therefore, his opponent, acting as a referee at that point, also can't warn the player.

 

[Texas3cushion]

No. Because i want to win.