What's the deal with pool players? A sport for angry and shitty people it seems

I think one of the main reasons is that pool is a notoriously singular and fairly selfish game. Think about it like this: At the highest level, the goal is to never let your opponent get to the table unless you have to. This means that the ideal match for any player would be one where the opponent never gets to the table AT ALL; you run out the entire set. So basically, if I come up to you and say "Hey! Let’s go play pool together!" I am REALLY saying "Hey! Let's go play pool together, but I don't want you to actually play...what I really want is for you to watch me run out all day long." I think that the people who are attracted to this kind of game need to have a certain type of brain in order to be willing to deliver (or endure) the kind of match where one player never gets to participate. A game where the ultimate goal is to be the only person playing is bound to attract the type of person who is willing to throw cues and cause tantrums. I also believe this is one of the many barriers to entry for new players; the threat of not being able to participate through no fault of their own besides a bad lag or coin flip.

I have been struggling to think of another game where it is possible that one player simply won't get to participate. Obviously this assumes we are playing winner breaks, which most people do. Can anyone think of another game that is like this?

Hum… my first thought, is politics, you might not think of it as a sport; If play well like todays current game, second place pays about as good to just watch.

So, my 2nd thought, you may be right,

However, if scores where to be settled, there is 4Ball.

I just couldn't resist.
 
There is definitely something going on with pool players.
Everyone just seem to always be so angry when they are missing a shot or having a bad game.

Small dicks that's all.
Just projecting that frustration on the game.
 
The league that I play in won't tolerate that type of player. The same can be said for the tournaments that I have played in. I think a lot of bad behavior is because league owners, tournament directors or establishment managers allow it to happen. I rarely go to a bar tournament anymore because of some of the non league players that play in them.

The league (APA) and establishment (Trick Shots - Orlando) that my wife and I play in have a very good group of players who play with a good sportsmanship attitude.There are a few that could be considered jerks, they are the exception and not the rule.

I play for the recreational and social aspect of the game. All the members of my team are our friends and we socialize outside of the league. Pool is our hobby and we all have pool tables and pool parties in our homes on occasion. If I visit a place that has a poorly managed crowd, I will not go back to it.

Bottom line, if bad behavior is a pattern where you play, I would find another place.

Unless ofcourse he enjoys playing in a real pool room.
 
Well, there's 'semi-controlled aggression', or 'moderated situational stupid':

In a 20/2, 5 man, 5hour 'golf' game, approaching dawn (we paid the house man to stay), guys were getting tired. My man was on the 'out hole', but could be taken out, if I was fed the ball.

Instead, the shooter before me went for his 2 hole, purposely left me bad,and hung me out, where I couldn't stop the leader..I sold out, paid double...cost me 200.

I was hot.

I bot a house cue for 20, went outside and wrapped it around the corner of the block building.

I felt a little better.

I refused to ever follow that guy again playing golf.

...go for your 2 hole and hold your man...really?
 
There is definitely something going on with pool players.

Everyone just seem to always be so angry when they are missing a shot or having a bad game. You don't see tennis players throwing their tennis racquet or golf club (well, for that one, at least less often!) or break their hockey stick everytime they miss a shot!

It does happen, yes, but it happens so often with pool players, I am a bit in disbelief. I have only been playing for 3 months and I already saw 2 people break their cue and about 5-7 being thrown on the table/ground. I've seen my share of people hitting forcefully the cueball or the 9 with their hand after missing the shot to win the rack. I've even seen someone do a push at break speed! It hit the 9, it flew off table and hit a player on another table! Needless to say the guy was out of the tournament.

And now, I keep seeing these threads on here about people being ripped off by cuemakers and what not.

What's the deal? Why does pool seem to attract all the shitty people?


I had the opportunity to play Grady for a couple of days at his room in Lexington, SC many years ago. Grady, as always, was a gracious host.

The second day I was there a fellow came in and apologized to Grady for something that had happened the night before. I'm not sure but I think it involved the breakage of a custom cue. Anywhos, all is forgiven and forgotten and we're having a good laugh and the fellow starts telling the story of another "incident," relating that in this case, a player who was shooting poorly got to the point of holding his $1000 custom at arms length and said to it, "One more, and that's it for you, Big Daddy."

Well, the line struck me as pretty funny and I just remembered it and was thinking about other memorable cue incidents. Ferinstance, I was told by the old timers around here that a pretty well known St. Louis player (not Louie) used to have a reputation for breaking sticks (as did a contemporary of his -- a much lesser known player). They said that in one month, the rail birds counted nine cue sticks broken by the better known player and ten by the other fellow. The final act in this 30 days of carnage was the lesser known fellow losing a set for a healthy wager, calmly leaving the pool hall, emptying out his rather large cue case on the sidewalk, carefully lining up five cues (with shafts) on the curbstone and driving over them as he left the pool hall, never to be seen again.

We also use to have in this area a well known, rather large (physically and figuratively) fish who liked to toss his pool cue around when defeat came his way. On one occasion, he threw his cue, javelin style, at a wall. A perfectly shaped cue-sized hole remains in the pool hall wall to this day. On another occasion, this player left the pool hall and, once again javelin style, threw his cue onto the pool hall roof and drove off to nurse his rage.

More recently, we had another fellow who owned a pretty expensive Meucci. He dogged a ball and stuck the butt of the cue into a corner pocket. His reputation for cue destruction was pretty well known, so several of the regulars yelled out, "Don't do it, I'll give you a hundred for the cue!" He just smiled at 'em and yanked sideways anyway, dismembering the cue.

I was in attendance the night this last fellow I mentioned took his frustrations out on another Meucci. To get the visual image on this one, you have to know that at this particular pool hall the bathrooms are in a small alcove a few feet away from the money table. This guy lost a set and calmly walked into the alcove towards the bathrooms. The next thing we knew there was the most incredible stream of epithets pouring out of the alcove, accompanied by the sounds of splintering wood from the Meucci being pounded against the floor. This went on for a fair period of time and, at one point, a part of the shaft came (dare I say it?) squirting out of the alcove, end-over-end at about 50 mph and almost impaled one of the regulars sitting against the wall. When it was over, the fellow came out, deposited the several pieces the cue was now in into a trash can, smiled at the regulars and said, "I feel much better now."

Thankfully, it's a lot calmer around here nowadays :-)

Lou Figueroa
 
I think one of the main reasons is that pool is a notoriously singular and fairly selfish game. Think about it like this: At the highest level, the goal is to never let your opponent get to the table unless you have to. This means that the ideal match for any player would be one where the opponent never gets to the table AT ALL; you run out the entire set. So basically, if I come up to you and say "Hey! Let’s go play pool together!" I am REALLY saying "Hey! Let's go play pool together, but I don't want you to actually play...what I really want is for you to watch me run out all day long." I think that the people who are attracted to this kind of game need to have a certain type of brain in order to be willing to deliver (or endure) the kind of match where one player never gets to participate. A game where the ultimate goal is to be the only person playing is bound to attract the type of person who is willing to throw cues and cause tantrums. I also believe this is one of the many barriers to entry for new players; the threat of not being able to participate through no fault of their own besides a bad lag or coin flip.

I have been struggling to think of another game where it is possible that one player simply won't get to participate. Obviously this assumes we are playing winner breaks, which most people do. Can anyone think of another game that is like this?

This is an extremely in-depth and brilliant observation.
Yes, there is an inherent dysfunction in the game as it is.

But that's why I love the game and am fascinated by it. When you play the ghost - it becomes more like a puzzle and you are trying to solve the pattern with your skills. Like a giant rubik's cube. If I look at the game from that angle - as that of a puzzle where I'm trying to solve it on my own - then it makes more sense

But as you described it about asking to go play pool but really asking to come watch me run out and not play at all - that's brilliant. Because it's so true.
 
I don't condone bad behavior, but you must not get out much. Tennis players throw their racket over the fence. Best golf tantrum I saw a guy pushed over his golf cart.
 
Be funny if it was Efren, but he doesn't speak or type as good as this guy.

I actually think this kid is legit... clueless as hell and as naive as they come, but I don't think he is trying to troll.
 
There's an older video of Mike Sigel playing straight pool, can't remember who he was playing for sure (maybe some German pro). Anyway, the commentators were talking about how Mike's also a cue maker and is playing with one of his cues. Just then he misses a bunny, turns around and just snaps the cue at the joint. He looked so surprised he almost fell over. It was hilarious.
 
How can you form any opinion based on "only playing for 3 months"?? You haven't been around Pool long enough, assuming that it's "only been 3 months".


Eric

I agree, eric..... 3 months isn't enough time to truly form an opinion of "the personalities of pool players":eek:
 
There is definitely something going on with pool players.

Everyone just seem to always be so angry when they are missing a shot or having a bad game. You don't see tennis players throwing their tennis racquet or golf club (well, for that one, at least less often!) or break their hockey stick everytime they miss a shot!

It does happen, yes, but it happens so often with pool players, I am a bit in disbelief. I have only been playing for 3 months and I already saw 2 people break their cue and about 5-7 being thrown on the table/ground. I've seen my share of people hitting forcefully the cueball or the 9 with their hand after missing the shot to win the rack. I've even seen someone do a push at break speed! It hit the 9, it flew off table and hit a player on another table! Needless to say the guy was out of the tournament.

And now, I keep seeing these threads on here about people being ripped off by cuemakers and what not.

What's the deal? Why does pool seem to attract all the shitty people?

It attracts good ones too. But pool is a low-income, high-risk endeavor when played for money. Think of all the other lines of work where that is true, and you'll probably find alot of similar people that you're complaining about there too.

My opinion, take advantage of those people's flaws and use your opposite mindset to help you beat them :-) Most of the time, those people behaving so negatively are basically handing you wins. Take'em and say thank you lol.

PS: I'm a very positive person also, but I've still broken a few tennis racquets in my competitive days.....I'll chalk it up to being only 18 yr.s old at the time hehe.
 
I had the opportunity to play Grady for a couple of days at his room in Lexington, SC many years ago. Grady, as always, was a gracious host.

The second day I was there a fellow came in and apologized to Grady for something that had happened the night before. I'm not sure but I think it involved the breakage of a custom cue. Anywhos, all is forgiven and forgotten and we're having a good laugh and the fellow starts telling the story of another "incident," relating that in this case, a player who was shooting poorly got to the point of holding his $1000 custom at arms length and said to it, "One more, and that's it for you, Big Daddy."

Well, the line struck me as pretty funny and I just remembered it and was thinking about other memorable cue incidents. Ferinstance, I was told by the old timers around here that a pretty well known St. Louis player (not Louie) used to have a reputation for breaking sticks (as did a contemporary of his -- a much lesser known player). They said that in one month, the rail birds counted nine cue sticks broken by the better known player and ten by the other fellow. The final act in this 30 days of carnage was the lesser known fellow losing a set for a healthy wager, calmly leaving the pool hall, emptying out his rather large cue case on the sidewalk, carefully lining up five cues (with shafts) on the curbstone and driving over them as he left the pool hall, never to be seen again.

We also use to have in this area a well known, rather large (physically and figuratively) fish who liked to toss his pool cue around when defeat came his way. On one occasion, he threw his cue, javelin style, at a wall. A perfectly shaped cue-sized hole remains in the pool hall wall to this day. On another occasion, this player left the pool hall and, once again javelin style, threw his cue onto the pool hall roof and drove off to nurse his rage.

More recently, we had another fellow who owned a pretty expensive Meucci. He dogged a ball and stuck the butt of the cue into a corner pocket. His reputation for cue destruction was pretty well known, so several of the regulars yelled out, "Don't do it, I'll give you a hundred for the cue!" He just smiled at 'em and yanked sideways anyway, dismembering the cue.

I was in attendance the night this last fellow I mentioned took his frustrations out on another Meucci. To get the visual image on this one, you have to know that at this particular pool hall the bathrooms are in a small alcove a few feet away from the money table. This guy lost a set and calmly walked into the alcove towards the bathrooms. The next thing we knew there was the most incredible stream of epithets pouring out of the alcove, accompanied by the sounds of splintering wood from the Meucci being pounded against the floor. This went on for a fair period of time and, at one point, a part of the shaft came (dare I say it?) squirting out of the alcove, end-over-end at about 50 mph and almost impaled one of the regulars sitting against the wall. When it was over, the fellow came out, deposited the several pieces the cue was now in into a trash can, smiled at the regulars and said, "I feel much better now."

Thankfully, it's a lot calmer around here nowadays :-)

Lou Figueroa

thanks for sharing this post, it made my night.....especially when the shaft came, spewing everywhere :embarrassed2:
 
I had the opportunity to play Grady for a couple of days at his room in Lexington, SC many years ago. Grady, as always, was a gracious host.

The second day I was there a fellow came in and apologized to Grady for something that had happened the night before. I'm not sure but I think it involved the breakage of a custom cue. Anywhos, all is forgiven and forgotten and we're having a good laugh and the fellow starts telling the story of another "incident," relating that in this case, a player who was shooting poorly got to the point of holding his $1000 custom at arms length and said to it, "One more, and that's it for you, Big Daddy."

Well, the line struck me as pretty funny and I just remembered it and was thinking about other memorable cue incidents. Ferinstance, I was told by the old timers around here that a pretty well known St. Louis player (not Louie) used to have a reputation for breaking sticks (as did a contemporary of his -- a much lesser known player). They said that in one month, the rail birds counted nine cue sticks broken by the better known player and ten by the other fellow. The final act in this 30 days of carnage was the lesser known fellow losing a set for a healthy wager, calmly leaving the pool hall, emptying out his rather large cue case on the sidewalk, carefully lining up five cues (with shafts) on the curbstone and driving over them as he left the pool hall, never to be seen again.

We also use to have in this area a well known, rather large (physically and figuratively) fish who liked to toss his pool cue around when defeat came his way. On one occasion, he threw his cue, javelin style, at a wall. A perfectly shaped cue-sized hole remains in the pool hall wall to this day. On another occasion, this player left the pool hall and, once again javelin style, threw his cue onto the pool hall roof and drove off to nurse his rage.

More recently, we had another fellow who owned a pretty expensive Meucci. He dogged a ball and stuck the butt of the cue into a corner pocket. His reputation for cue destruction was pretty well known, so several of the regulars yelled out, "Don't do it, I'll give you a hundred for the cue!" He just smiled at 'em and yanked sideways anyway, dismembering the cue.

I was in attendance the night this last fellow I mentioned took his frustrations out on another Meucci. To get the visual image on this one, you have to know that at this particular pool hall the bathrooms are in a small alcove a few feet away from the money table. This guy lost a set and calmly walked into the alcove towards the bathrooms. The next thing we knew there was the most incredible stream of epithets pouring out of the alcove, accompanied by the sounds of splintering wood from the Meucci being pounded against the floor. This went on for a fair period of time and, at one point, a part of the shaft came (dare I say it?) squirting out of the alcove, end-over-end at about 50 mph and almost impaled one of the regulars sitting against the wall. When it was over, the fellow came out, deposited the several pieces the cue was now in into a trash can, smiled at the regulars and said, "I feel much better now."

Thankfully, it's a lot calmer around here nowadays :-)

Lou Figueroa

Awesome stories. The part about the dude smiling at the rail birds before snapping the cue is outstanding. I know the type who would do exactly that.
 
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