Whats up with billiards supply stores?

they're always trying to charge more than retail price for everything. i tried to hit up a local supply store for a new tip. they didn't have kamui so i asked about their moori's . they wanted like $35 bones for 1 not installed. then they wanted $4 for a triangle tip. the guy looked at me like i was a simpleton when i told him the prices were a little high.

and these store owners wonder why people shop online instead of locally



I suspect that his actions were based up Racial Profiling, were you wearing a Hoody?:smile:
 
It is only fitting that the guy who started the "I don't tip" thread is now complaining about expensive tips.
 
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Seyberts Billiard Supply
702 East Chicago Road, Coldwater MI 49036

You can go there :thumbup:

-s

Pretty long drive for me. :D
 
A few years ago I went to a Billiards and found the exact cue I had been looking at on line. The on line price was $279 his price was $315 but he could discount it a little. I then called an online retailer to get the "special" price and he was willing to sell it for $190 shipped. You know had the Billiards store been even close to the $190 I would have bought it from him.

The problem I see with not patronizing local stores is that they will go out of business, and you will no longer even have the option of getting "hands on" with a cue you are interested in.

I worked in the instrument sales business for years, and I saw this happen long ago in that industry. There used to be no less than 10 local stores where you could try and buy guitars, amps, drums, etc. You could get advice and guidance from knowledgeable sales people, and if there was a problem, the store was right there, ready to handle it for you. Then came the catalog/internet sales, and a new big box retailer. The big box retailer could compete on price, so they survived. Now, in a metro area of 1.5 million people, there are exactly 2 big box retailers and no smaller shops. The sales staff is not nearly as helpful and well versed about the instruments they are selling, the customer service is much worse, but hey...the pricing is the same as what I can get online.

Price is major factor in everyone's buying decisions, but the long term consequences of shopping on price alone can end up costing you a higher level of service, the ability to see and feel items before you buy them, and a decline in the small businesses in your local area.

Other factors to consider are the cost of shipping, the potential for lost/damaged packages, and how you might get a resolution if there is a problem with the item you bought.

Just something to consider when deciding whether or not its worth a few extra dollars to patronize a local shop owner rather then purchase online.
 
The problem I see with not patronizing local stores is that they will go out of business, and you will no longer even have the option of getting "hands on" with a cue you are interested in.

I worked in the instrument sales business for years, and I saw this happen long ago in that industry. There used to be no less than 10 local stores where you could try and buy guitars, amps, drums, etc. You could get advice and guidance from knowledgeable sales people, and if there was a problem, the store was right there, ready to handle it for you. Then came the catalog/internet sales, and a new big box retailer. The big box retailer could compete on price, so they survived. Now, in a metro area of 1.5 million people, there are exactly 2 big box retailers and no smaller shops. The sales staff is not nearly as helpful and well versed about the instruments they are selling, the customer service is much worse, but hey...the pricing is the same as what I can get online.

Price is major factor in everyone's buying decisions, but the long term consequences of shopping on price alone can end up costing you a higher level of service, the ability to see and feel items before you buy them, and a decline in the small businesses in your local area.

Other factors to consider are the cost of shipping, the potential for lost/damaged packages, and how you might get a resolution if there is a problem with the item you bought.

Just something to consider when deciding whether or not its worth a few extra dollars to patronize a local shop owner rather then purchase online.

All good points, but the flip side is we don't NEED 'expert' advice anymore, particularly as it was usually given by those with a vested interest in flogging us something, and so couldn't be truly impartial. I'm sure the guitar world has the equivalent of AZB to reference future purchases.

The internet: the cause of, and solutions to, all of life's problems.
 
they're always trying to charge more than retail price for everything. i tried to hit up a local supply store for a new tip. they didn't have kamui so i asked about their moori's . they wanted like $35 bones for 1 not installed. then they wanted $4 for a triangle tip. the guy looked at me like i was a simpleton when i told him the prices were a little high.

and these store owners wonder why people shop online instead of locally

Seriously dude, I think you were born yesterday.
 
they're always trying to charge more than retail price for everything. i tried to hit up a local supply store for a new tip. they didn't have kamui so i asked about their moori's . they wanted like $35 bones for 1 not installed. then they wanted $4 for a triangle tip. the guy looked at me like i was a simpleton when i told him the prices were a little high.

and these store owners wonder why people shop online instead of locally

Just what do you consider the "retail price"?
If you are referring to the prices charged by most internet dealers, they are not retail prices. Most internet dealers are selling stuff at deep discounts. Most of the time, you also have to add shipping and handling charges to the internet sales.

If you want a local dealer there when you need him, shop there.
If he doesn't have what you want, see if he will order it.
 
I would say that the retail stores cater to homeowners and players that want an item asap. Want an item but did not know to shop around. Want a cue but are apprehensive about buying it online. When I set up my room I purchased everything from a retail store. After that I started seeing things online substantially cheaper from reputable companies.....such Muellers, Ozone, Seyberts.

it never stops shocking me that people don't do any price checking before they buy things. everyone in fresno has a weird inflated idea of what items actually sell for. i bought a predator sneaky ss joint wrap and original 314 for under 300 a while ago. a local guy insisted that his was worth 390.

i figure a predator shaft (used) goes for around 150 in good condition but around here i hear 200+
 
I suspect that his actions were based up Racial Profiling, were you wearing a Hoody?:smile:

well because it wasn't your shop i doubt that. it couldn't have been the case anyway. the shop owner was white not a minority. and as you've pointed out only white people are capable of compassion and empathy so he'd have taken pity on me and given me the retail price
 
It is only fitting that the guy who started the "I don't tip" thread is now complaining about expensive tips.

ugly chicks. you guys always leave that part out. you ever gotten a lap dance and a tip for service? i'm doing something right. and don't act like you've never showed some preferential treatment tipping hotties better than uggos. well you can lie but the ugly girls counting their tips next to the hot waitresses know youre full of it
 
I worked for a billiard supply store for 10 1/2 years. We stocked Elkmasters, Le Pros, Triangles, and Water Buffalo tips. We never stocked any layered tips because the shop lathe setup, for what it was, would only shred such tips if we tried to install a layered tip. So we didnt stock layered tips. And the amount of tip sales was never enough to justify investing in an upgrade of the lathe setup, nor were the volume of tips sales enough to invest in additional non-layered tip brands. In the course of a month, if we sold 6 or more tips we were doing good. What tips we stocked was a convenience issue and not a profit making issue.

When one considers that there are 30+ different tips available in the marketplace between layered and non-layered, just how many of those tips do you think a billiard supply store should invest in stocking? Particularly if they rarely sell tips compared to other merchandise they stock? and the number of retip jobs they perform during a month is minimal.

As to the salesman in question, you need to consider a couple of things. The first is that he is most likely an idiot, and not even a pool player. And 2nd, his employer is certainly an idiot. Because only an idiot would hire a salesperson and not make an effort to instruct his employee in proper sales behavior, customer service, and product knowledge.


as far as i've seen almost no billiards supply store workers or owners can offer anything close to expert advice. they read a couple of descriptions on packages and call themselves knowledgeable
 
Just what do you consider the "retail price"?
If you are referring to the prices charged by most internet dealers, they are not retail prices. Most internet dealers are selling stuff at deep discounts. Most of the time, you also have to add shipping and handling charges to the internet sales.

If you want a local dealer there when you need him, shop there.
If he doesn't have what you want, see if he will order it.

i consider retail price to be the price next to the internet price before their standard discount. 35 for a moori and $4 F'n dollars for a triangle. really a box of 50 triangle tips goes for under 50 so i consider 4 bones for one to be silly.

i'm also sick of the billiards store retailers not knowing what they're talking about. the guy was selling triangles that were obviously dried out and old and talked with that condescending tone that all billiard supply store workers seem to have. as if i'm not supposed to know that their prices aren't higher than you would pay if you got the item from the manufacturer
 
While we are at it...

What's up with chopsticks? I know you've seen a fork by now.

chopsticks just seem more civilized. forks are for people who can't stop shoveling food into their mouths and chopsticks take too much work and slow them down.

look around fat people almost never use chopsticks.

i've also got a theory about diet soda makign people fat. i only see fat people drinking the stuff
 
chopsticks just seem more civilized. forks are for people who can't stop shoveling food into their mouths and chopsticks take too much work and slow them down.

look around fat people almost never use chopsticks.

i've also got a theory about diet soda makign people fat. i only see fat people drinking the stuff

I'll have a Whopper, large fries, rings, wings, dips and a McFlurry to go please. Oh and a diet coke {beams with pride}.
 
The problem I see with not patronizing local stores is that they will go out of business, and you will no longer even have the option of getting "hands on" with a cue you are interested in.

I worked in the instrument sales business for years, and I saw this happen long ago in that industry. There used to be no less than 10 local stores where you could try and buy guitars, amps, drums, etc. You could get advice and guidance from knowledgeable sales people, and if there was a problem, the store was right there, ready to handle it for you. Then came the catalog/internet sales, and a new big box retailer. The big box retailer could compete on price, so they survived. Now, in a metro area of 1.5 million people, there are exactly 2 big box retailers and no smaller shops. The sales staff is not nearly as helpful and well versed about the instruments they are selling, the customer service is much worse, but hey...the pricing is the same as what I can get online.

Price is major factor in everyone's buying decisions, but the long term consequences of shopping on price alone can end up costing you a higher level of service, the ability to see and feel items before you buy them, and a decline in the small businesses in your local area.

Other factors to consider are the cost of shipping, the potential for lost/damaged packages, and how you might get a resolution if there is a problem with the item you bought.

Just something to consider when deciding whether or not its worth a few extra dollars to patronize a local shop owner rather then purchase online.[/QUOTE]

a few extra dollars to keep a local store in business-OK I'm good with that. But this guy wanted $89 more then I could buy on line. Nope not going to happen.
 
While we are at it...

What's up with chopsticks? I know you've seen a fork by now.

I sat down to eat with some Asian people this weekend. They grabbed the noodles with those chop sticks much easier than I could get mine with a fork.
 
..... $4 F'n dollars for a triangle. really a box of 50 triangle tips goes for under 50 so i consider 4 bones for one to be silly.

Have you EVER heard of VOLUMN DISCOUNTS? Like I said earlier, you must have been born yesterday!!!!

If you go to Instroke directly their prices are CONSIDERABLY higher than for the same cases than on Muellers or Pool Dawg. Same with Willard Products. I couldn't wait for Mueller to get its supply in from Willard, so I ordered directly from Willard. The guy charged me $75 for the same thing listed on Muellers for $60. He said that the resellers would get mad if tried to undercut them in price.
 
Have you EVER heard of VOLUMN DISCOUNTS? Like I said earlier, you must have been born yesterday!!!!

If you go to Instroke directly their prices are CONSIDERABLY higher than for the same cases than on Muellers or Pool Dawg. Same with Willard Products. I couldn't wait for Mueller to get its supply in from Willard, so I ordered directly from Willard. The guy charged me $75 for the same thing listed on Muellers for $60. He said that the resellers would get mad if tried to undercut them in price.

look here man there's no need to get your panties in a bunch and try to be all condescending. i've heard of volume discounts sure. that's got little to nothing to do with some guy that runs a billiards shop but knows nothing about billiards or the equipment. the guy had a box of triangle tips that had to be a few years old. so even if he bought 100 boxes or 1 there's no way he paid more than 50 bucks for the box. meaning he's still charging way too much for 1 tip. if he'd had said 2-3 bucks i'd have bought one just for the convenience.

instead of reading the thread and relating to it, because everyone that's been to a billiards store has probably dealt with the same bs, you've decided to be a dick.

bulk buying or not if i can buy one box of 50 tirangle tips online for under $40 then he didn't need to order a huge number of boxes of tips to offer a better price. he's just charging that huge mark up because he's used to people knowing less than he does about equipment prices.

35 bucks for a moori tips is crazy. $4 for a triangle is crazy. even at pool halls they usually sell for 2-3. and the pool halls i've been to don't buy boxes of those tips in bulk.
 
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