That's snooker, and even then you still have to play the ball on unless the preceding shot was a foul and left you unable to make a legal hit.
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What's wrong with APA rules?
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That's snooker, and even then you still have to play the ball on unless the preceding shot was a foul and left you unable to make a legal hit.
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you got me. :smile:
yea i meant every where else. just stating slop is legal everywhere even at the pro level in 9 ball except the 9 so you wanna bash an amatuer league full of beginers for playing slop 8 ball except the 8 ?
apa has had basicaly the same rules since its inception, matter of fact they kept the same rules that have been played for years by pros and amatuers alike.
over the years bcapl has changad rules making it easier for higher level players to run out but yet people love bashing apa rules that are geared to level the playing field somewhat for all levels.
look .. i am not trying to bash the bcapl , i am just trying to point out that no league is perfect.
this is not the 1st time i have pointed out the rules in bcapl in an apa bashing thread and i seem to notice everytime there is not much response from the pro bcapl group.
i am not just stating an opinion like they do when they say the apa is full of sandbaggers or drunks, i am stating facts about the rule differences.
like i said in an earlier post. they say apa 9 ball is not real 9 ball because it is points based. well then what the hell do you call bcapl 8 ball ? it is points based also. get what i am saying ?
APA Franchise owners love the money.
The history of eight ball is covered in this article: http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/2002-02.pdf
As someone else noted, an early form of eight ball appeared in 1925 as a gimmick to sell ball sets, kind of like a more recently invented game.
The problem I have with the APA rules is that they don't follow the World Standardized Rules (WSR). There is no good reason not to move on. You could argue that since the BCA (trade organization) is responsible for governing pool in the US and North America and promoting the WSR, the BCA should require all its members to use the WSR in their events. The APA is a member of the BCA.
i have not kept up with the comings and goings of bca lately. one thing you are right about is the trade organization label. they do promote the billiard industry " companies ". what have they done for pool players lately though ?
You may want to visit the BCA web site: www.bca-pool.com
The last thing I know of is that they asked members for donations to help send US pool players to the World Games which are coming up in Columbia. You may have noticed some earlier threads here about the players selected. The also donated the proceeds from a WSR rules app to the travel fund.
I think this is a very valid point. I wonder why this hasn't happened? Can it still happen? What would the fallout be?
I think a big part of that is that the APA looks to be doing well as is. Change is not always good. Windows 8.. New Coke..
While I don't like many APA rules, if they just changed them, bangers across the country will thrown down their black Cuetecs in protest. While the top tier of the APA, and some learned lower players would like the change, 90% would balk at changes.
The APA is a very, very valued member of the BCA. I don't think the BCA wants to interfere with the affairs of the APA. The first priority of the BCA must be the interests of its members -- this is understandable for any organization.
Your comment about the black cuetecs made me LOL.
Maybe I am the only top tier player in APA who prefers APA 8 ball rules over BCA 8 ball rules but I doubt it.
I just don't understand why everyone has such an issue with slop counting in 8 ball. How many balls do you think are slopped in when two 7's play eachother? It is rare. If I am playing a 3 and they get lucky then that's fine. Their chances of winning the match are still slim.
You guys should lobby to have 9 ball as a call shot game to prevent players from getting lucky.
There was a guy that played at my old pool hall in RI that played with a Cuetec with a black fibreglass shaft. He actually was a pretty good player. When I was talking to him one time I complimented him by saying "you are the best player I've seen that uses one of those cues" hehe.
He soon after changed to a very nice looking McDermott.
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What was it that you did? Photography? I bet you loved the money, too. So, what's your point? I bet you didn't have to deal with crybaby pool players for work, though.
The most common cue brand I've seen is my area is McDermott. One team has all but one of their players playing with one.
Hey, there is nothing wrong with a Meucci that buying a different pool cue can't fix :wink:
Sorry, the joke was there :grin-square: ! I actually like many of their designs, but I am totally against spraying a finish over an linen wrap and their whippy hit feel, plus some of the reported quality issues over some years of manufacture.
And I think that we would be almost universally in agreement that the typical "noob" pool player is a guy with a glove and a shiny all black Cuetec.
And then we have Shane, has the skill of a Mozart on the table, uses a glove and a Cuetec. Sigh...:boring2:
Funny how that never geys answered, no matter how many times it is brought up.
Great post. Must spread rep around before....yada yada
Slopping balls isn't an issue with higher ranking players. To $hit balls in a lot two things have to come into play. Your hitting balls harder then necessary and your missing bad lol 7 through 9s generally are hitting balls table speed and not missing by much. As fast as most tables are these days combined with the big bar box pockets 2s and 3s hitting balls hard there bound to go some where lol
I disagree and it's not in a bad way. Slopping balls in happens plenty in high level play. You don't notice it in World Standardized play because the shooter doesn't keep shooting.
When slop counts, every experienced played knows when to use it. And I think that's a plus. The most obvious is the double bank (twice across). But there are other shots that come up that knowing that you have two pockets that the object ball can go is to your advantage.
With all the games going to call your pocket (what most old schoolers know as 'call shot'), the double bank (double bubble baby) is starting to get lost.
One of the first "call the 9-ball" tourneys on ESPN had Jim Rempe stop and ask about the "call 9-ball" and because he wanted to bank the ball straight back and hit it hard enought to double into the upper corner. That would have been the obvious way to play it. But with call the 9, he couldn't.
And when he asked about it, I said , "exactly" to myself (talking to all my friends).
Freddie <~~~ seems like a little, but it's a lot
I'm not one who cares one way or the other. However, from my own experience, my game improved quickly once my friends forced me to play "call shot" 8-ball. It forced me to think about where the balls were going and when I got into a jam, I didn't just take a swing and hope that something fell... I thought about what I was doing.
So I honestly feel that call shot 8-ball helps lower skilled players get better.
They did that. It's called 10-ball.
(And there is nothing confusing about those rules. :thumbup
Can't imagine why anyone argues for slop in 8b. Sure, you can 'play the slop' with stuff like the Z bank. You can also play a table roll but that doesn't mean table rolls are desirable.
Whether it happens at high level play is moot, the rules need to be carefully thought out with all players in mind, not just the high level ones.
Slop is certainly not rare though. I see it in every single one of my 9 ball matches, sometimes my shots and sometimes theirs. And in 8b, there's no player who's so good he NEVER needs to hit a ball harder than like lag speed. Any stop shot longer than 5 feet usually has enough speed to reach another pocket.
Whether it happens at high level play is moot, the rules need to be carefully thought out with all players in mind, not just the high level ones.
Slop is certainly not rare though. I see it in every single one of my 9 ball matches, sometimes my shots and sometimes theirs. And in 8b, there's no player who's so good he NEVER needs to hit a ball harder than like lag speed. Any stop shot longer than 5 feet usually has enough speed to reach another pocket.