What's wrong with pool?

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Why isn't there a tour for pool like there is for golfers? The players are there but why isn't the money? It's brutal that unless you take top 4 in a professional event you are going to lose money. Something's wrong here. What needs to be done to get the pool world more rewarding? I'm tired of hearing people ask why do we play a sport that has
No future. I believe it's possible to change the outlook on pool. Would like more opinions about the subject because I know there's plenty out there that feel like I do.
 
Follow the money. If you can create a product around pool that people will pay to watch, and advertisers will pay to be associated with, you'll create a viable professional pool tour. Not until then.
 
Figure out a way to have a pool hall with in walking distance of a Nascar track,with a bar,you might have a chance..every track..half kidding,have not.
 
People don't want to watch pool. (I do, but I'm a strange one.)

If people don't watch, they don't see the sponsor's banner.

If people can't see the sponsor's banner, the sponsor won't sponsor the event.

If sponsors don't sponsor the event, there's no event to sponsor.
 
Why isn't there a tour for pool like there is for golfers? The players are there but why isn't the money? It's brutal that unless you take top 4 in a professional event you are going to lose money. Something's wrong here. What needs to be done to get the pool world more rewarding? I'm tired of hearing people ask why do we play a sport that has
No future. I believe it's possible to change the outlook on pool. Would like more opinions about the subject because I know there's plenty out there that feel like I do.

Pool is by and large an amateur sport. Pool enjoys a large following with new generations of players discovering the fun of the game every day. Pool is not a fad and has a long history. Pool as a whole is doing fine. League players I would guess numbering possibly in the millions, play every week in cities and towns all across the country and around the world.

The fact that you can't make a living as a professional player doesn't really say anything about the sport as a whole anymore then it does about swimming, archery, shooting, martial arts or a whole host of other sports that people enjoy. There would be only two reasons anyone would put money behind a sport. One would be as a vehicle to drive and promote a product line. The second would be because there is a public demand to see the sport played and promoters could make a profit. There may be others but those are what comes to mind. Neither of these actually exist.

Actually the lack of demand to see pool played negates the first reason. Why sponsor a sport that can't really bring your product before the public in a way that is beneficial to you. Heck, you could buy ad's on a bus bench's and generate more interest then sponsoring a pool tournament. I think the cake has long been baked in this respect. Pool can be promoted in a small subcultural way to a small usually not so loyal audience and maybe there will be a few dollars to be made and some passed on to the players but nothing that can be called "Making a living". The simple answer is, you have to have something to sell and a willing buyer. Pool has little to sell and not even among so called fans, a buyer.
 
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why isn't there a tour for pool like there is for golfers? The players are there but why isn't the money? It's brutal that unless you take top 4 in a professional event you are going to lose money. Something's wrong here. What needs to be done to get the pool world more rewarding? I'm tired of hearing people ask why do we play a sport that has
no future. I believe it's possible to change the outlook on pool. Would like more opinions about the subject because i know there's plenty out there that feel like i do.



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As far as people asking why we play a game that has no future, tell them that's a silly question. 99.9% of people that play any sport including baseball, basketball, football, and golf have no future in it. So we play the game for the same reason those people do - we enjoy it.

It surprises me that you even get this question very often as I don't think I've ever been asked this. Of course, unless you are devoting yourself to becoming a pro and making a living at it. If that's the case, what do you tell them?
 
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Nothing really..........in the USA its probably prejudice and lack of knowlege more than anything. Since its a game borne around liquor/smoke and gambling, others think they know what they don't know, we know that's not a good reason, golf has the same issues, but its played during the day and in nature, so others seem to think its better, but they only know what the see/hear or want to see and hear. Our day is coming....be patient.
 
If you're dying to hear opinions, it's one of the mostly hotly debated topics, you can dig through past threads to read millions of possibilities.

To save you time, I'll try to list the ones I've seen a lot over the years.

• Well-played pool is dull to watch, and if nobody's watching, sponsors won't pay to advertise.
• The players aren't professional and get away with acting or dressing in a low class way.
• It has negative image because the media portrays it as a pastime for con artists and barflies.
• There have been various specific scandals that make sponsors avoid it even though it's popular.
• The few who try to promote pool in a serious way might be great players but lack business sense.
• Pettiness, greed, and corruption (both the players and the 'management') have held it back.
• Inconsistent equipment and rules make it seem more like casual recreation than a "real" sport.
• The promoters are out of touch with the everyday player (e.g. they don't promote 8-ball)
• Because bars put in pool tables, it's permanently associated with smoking, drinking, and fast living.
• Players are not 'telegenic' or 'athletic', you can master the game despite being morbidly obese.
• Many pros are moving to poker, and fewer pros = fewer people to look up to or promote the sport.

I could probably come up with more if I really wanted. Argue away!

PS: my opinion (just an impression)... past scandals are irrelevant, players throwing tantrums or being rumored to do drugs is also irrelevant (NFL/NBA players involved in shootings, rapes, etc... mcenroe slamming his racket, woods getting caught cheating, lance getting accused of doping, etc.). The dirty barfly image is also not relevant - look at poker.

Inconsistent equipment and rules are a problem but not that relevant, we've settled on 9ft and the rules are all close enough. Nobody turned off the TV because the players weren't shooting it behind the line or using a bar box.

Lack of professionalism might be relevant, it gives potential sponsors a bad impression to see walmart clothes and empty seats when they watch e.g. a TAR broadcast.

Lack of business sense: probably relevant. Poker's been around a while but only got popular recently. Why? Probably smart people at the helm marketing it properly.

The one I've always felt was the main killer = it's dull to watch. Someone pointed out that poker should be dull to watch too, and that makes sense on paper. But I think people relate to poker because there are mind games and facial expressions to read, plus some drama in the unveiling of the cards. We like to see people trick and outsmart each other, even though that doesn't require any exciting physical acrobatics.

With pool, when the player is good, the rack is completely routine and predictable, and they make it look effortless. You don't say "holy shit" when someone drills in a long shot, the way you would when someone makes a 20 foot putt or 90 yard pass or something. Some of the stuff the athletes on TV do is out of our reach completely, but most players on this forum can make most shots you see in pro pool events... just not consistently.
 
Pool is by and large an amateur sport. Pool enjoys a large following with new generations of players discovering the fun of the game every day. Pool is not a fad and has a long history. Pool as a whole is doing fine. League players I would guess numbering possibly in the millions, play every week in cities and towns all across the country and around the world.

The fact that you can't make a living as a professional player doesn't really say anything about the sport as a whole anymore then it does about swimming, archery, shooting, martial arts or a whole host of other sports that people enjoy. There would be only two reasons anyone would put money behind a sport. One would be as a vehicle to drive and promote a product line. The second would be because there is a public demand to see the sport played and promoters could make a profit. There may be others but those are what comes to mind. Neither of these actually exist.

Actually the lack of demand to see pool played negates the first reason. Why sponsor a sport that can't really bring your product before the public in a way that is beneficial to you. Heck, you could buy ad's on a bus bench's and generate more interest then sponsoring a pool tournament. I think the cake has long been baked in this respect. Pool can be promoted in a small subcultural way to a small usually not so loyal audience and maybe there will be a few dollars to be made and some passed on to the players but nothing that can be called "Making a living". The simple answer is, you have to have something to sell and a willing buyer. Pool has little to sell and not even among so called fans, a buyer.

The last two sentences listed above are as complete an answer as anyone can offer and it has been that way since the 1950's. Today, there are hundreds of other things to do with your time including just about everything we do.
 
Here's an opinion that is probably wrong, but I hope not. I don't think anything is wrong with pool. I do believe pool is not marketed correctly. I believe TAR has got the correct formula. It needs to be challenge matches, and it needs to be more than a one day affair. In looking at the history of pool, when it was very popular, we had a world champion playing challenge matches. Tournaments were primarily to determine who would challenge the champ. That may be an incorrect assessment of what I've read, but that's what it appears. Put some drama into the matches, and have a decent, not necessarily oversized payday, and people will pay attention. Oh yes; somebody has to promote the product!
 
Sponsers will only come around if they figure it will help there best interests with there own bussiness.
If people don't watch ,why risk putting your name behind failure?
I think pool is really lucky with the asians and Filipino's lending a
helping hand keeping the sport alive.
The US is still striving pretty good and in Canada it's dead as a doornail.
Pool will never hit greatness like many professional sports and thats
just the way it is.
The funny thing with pool is that the better and more time you put
into the game,the more you suffer.Most tournaments besides the ones
geared for the pros are all geared for the weaker players.I play on a tour
thats handicapped and most pros don't want to participate cause its
alternate breaks with a pro giving up some spots as much as 11-4 which
is nuts,but because of the ratio between pros and non pros the pro gets
screwed and the weaker player gets catered to.
I think Pool has sufferd because somewhere down the line the best
players in the world has not been given there dues unless its for
our entertainment to watch them.
Most people just don't understand the suffering,heartache,practice,
and dedication it takes to get where they are.
Pool may advance in the future when these people get looked as
serious atheletes and not just weekend entertainment.
 
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macguy...Great post, and spot on. I really like the last two sentences, because they embody what I've been saying for almost 20 years. If you want to "make a living" from pool, become a pool entertainer. There is an enormous market, and they have plenty of money to spend. Whether it be colleges, military, or corporate venues, the people will pay to be entertained. Yes it's sad that elite players in the USA struggle just to get by (lots of them anyway), but that's not the point. Yes, the top players should be able to make a good living from tournament play...it isn't happening. If you get a bunch of lemons, make lemonade and sell it! :D

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Pool is by and large an amateur sport. Pool enjoys a large following with new generations of players discovering the fun of the game every day. Pool is not a fad and has a long history. Pool as a whole is doing fine. League players I would guess numbering possibly in the millions, play every week in cities and towns all across the country and around the world.

The fact that you can't make a living as a professional player doesn't really say anything about the sport as a whole anymore then it does about swimming, archery, shooting, martial arts or a whole host of other sports that people enjoy. There would be only two reasons anyone would put money behind a sport. One would be as a vehicle to drive and promote a product line. The second would be because there is a public demand to see the sport played and promoters could make a profit. There may be others but those are what comes to mind. Neither of these actually exist.

Actually the lack of demand to see pool played negates the first reason. Why sponsor a sport that can't really bring your product before the public in a way that is beneficial to you. Heck, you could buy ad's on a bus bench's and generate more interest then sponsoring a pool tournament. I think the cake has long been baked in this respect. Pool can be promoted in a small subcultural way to a small usually not so loyal audience and maybe there will be a few dollars to be made and some passed on to the players but nothing that can be called "Making a living". The simple answer is, you have to have something to sell and a willing buyer. Pool has little to sell and not even among so called fans, a buyer.
 
Why isn't there a tour for pool like there is for golfers? The players are there but why isn't the money? It's brutal that unless you take top 4 in a professional event you are going to lose money. Something's wrong here. What needs to be done to get the pool world more rewarding? I'm tired of hearing people ask why do we play a sport that has
No future. I believe it's possible to change the outlook on pool. Would like more opinions about the subject because I know there's plenty out there that feel like I do.


Problem with pool is the tables are too small to be viewed from 40,000 spectator arena so the viewers count for Budweiser and others not much I could be wrong, with international events are more open, to all pro players, i see good things coming from it, one thing will really make a big difference is work on good streaming of these tournaments. Accu Stats doing great job locally, hope they go intentional.
 
There is nothing wrong with pool but most people when they think of pool is a hustler or a con artist.. the image is changing but not very fast we need to show it for the great sport it can be
 
Here's an opinion that is probably wrong, but I hope not. I don't think anything is wrong with pool. I do believe pool is not marketed correctly. I believe TAR has got the correct formula. It needs to be challenge matches, and it needs to be more than a one day affair. In looking at the history of pool, when it was very popular, we had a world champion playing challenge matches. Tournaments were primarily to determine who would challenge the champ. That may be an incorrect assessment of what I've read, but that's what it appears. Put some drama into the matches, and have a decent, not necessarily oversized payday, and people will pay attention. Oh yes; somebody has to promote the product!

Your assumption is incorrect. Go back and read Creedo's post. It is as concise as anyone can be, regarding this subject. Read it two, or three times if necessary. :smile:
 
I agree Creedo makes very good points. However, I don't think that the problems mentioned are unconquerable. The fact is that professional billiards was once very popular, but I believe got away from what made it so.
 
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