When will this end?

Consider this scenario. The guy shoots at the 8 while he still has a stripe of his on the table. He misses the 8. The incoming player looks over the layout and has it pretty good with the balls in position as they are. He decides to NOT call the foul with the idea that if he doesn't happen to run out, his opponent may still not have figured out his previous error and shoot at the 8 again.

Chances are that if he missed the eight his team would have told him once he sat back down that he still had a stripe on the table. IIRC you are allowed to coach a player when their opponent is shooting without it being a foul.
It may have been too late at that point if his opponent ran out though:grin:
 
Chances are that if he missed the eight his team would have told him once he sat back down that he still had a stripe on the table. IIRC you are allowed to coach a player when their opponent is shooting without it being a foul.
It may have been too late at that point if his opponent ran out though:grin:

Thanks, that's exactly what I wanted to know. As I mentioned, I'm not familiar with the coaching rules of league play, that's why I asked. Surely it is doubtful in league play that all of his teammates would have missed what happened as well.
 
I have a hand on a stick with a 10' extension. When the person grabs it, it says "good shooting". I don't even have to get up :)
 
Two things that I don't understand is at the beginning of a match to tell the opponent "good luck" and after a match "good shooting" if they lose.

I always say at the beginning "To a good match" and at the end if they lost "You play a nice game" if they did or "pleasure playing you" or if they won something about the game such as "nice out" or "great game" or if it was a B and R "great shooting, maybe next time I will get a shot" or something like that.
 
Two things that I don't understand is at the beginning of a match to tell the opponent "good luck" and after a match "good shooting" if they lose.

I always say at the beginning "To a good match" and at the end if they lost "You play a nice game" if they did or "pleasure playing you" or if they won something about the game such as "nice out" or "great game" or if it was a B and R "great shooting, maybe next time I will get a shot" or something like that.

Book, You are a gentlemen and a scholar.
 
Next time after you win just tell the guy he is a worthless piece of crap and can't play worth a damn. If he is a really big guy extend your hand and then when he reaches to shake pull your hand back and walk away.

Al, here to help. No need to thank me.
 
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I'm flexible.....I'm more of an old school, shake hands type of guy, but if my opponent isn't, no biggie....if it's someone new, I like to meet them, shake hands before the match, extend a courtesy "good luck" before the match, get it awwwn, and then shake hands afterwards....
 
Two things that I don't understand is at the beginning of a match to tell the opponent "good luck" and after a match "good shooting" if they lose.

I always say at the beginning "To a good match" and at the end if they lost "You play a nice game" if they did or "pleasure playing you" or if they won something about the game such as "nice out" or "great game" or if it was a B and R "great shooting, maybe next time I will get a shot" or something like that.

Something that Blackjack said in one of his vids.....I no longer say 'good luck' at the beginning of a game/match...but rather, 'let's do this'...it's all part of the mental process of the game for me, and has helped me quite a bit, actually.

The point here being that why on earth would you wish your opponent 'good luck'...especially when you don't truly mean it? You want to win the game, right? By wishing someone 'good luck', you are already setting up your brain for possibly conceding the game.

The mental process of the game is such that if you allow for even the most slightly negative thought, it can erode the entire process eventually. Think of a dam with a small leak...it is not too far along before that leak can compromise the dam's integrity.

When the game/match is over, I will shake hands with my opponent and say 'thank you'...win or lose.

Lisa
 
Next time after you win just tell the guy he is a worthless piece of crap and can't play worth a damn. If he is a really big guy extend your hand and then when he reaches to shake pull your hand back and walk away.

Al, here to help. No need to thank me.

You gotta make sure too tell him his sticks a POS too. :kma:


I like the way you think AL
 
On the good luck thing: I'm all for mentally amping yourself... but I think good luck falls under the category of "things we say to be nice even if we don't mean them". It's just an established ritual that says 'I care enough to show you basic politeness' ...and their automatic reply of "you too" says 'Thanks for that little show of courtesy, and here's one back atcha'

It's like Have A Nice Day after someone buys something from you.

Because it's automatic and meaningless and insincere, I don't think it can hurt anyone to say it. I certainly don't go in with a losing mindset when I say it. It's just a formality like turning on your blinker when you turn out of your driveway or saying thank you when a guy hands you your penny in change, even though you don't really care about that penny and he doesn't either.
 
BCAPL Tornament team coaching regulations

I'll try to unscrew this for you. A couple of disclaimers first...

1) I'm off to the OK state tourney in a few hours. If this generates 20 other questions they'll have to wait until later.

2) What I'm putting out here is regs for the national tournament. Most state and regional BCAPL events are probably following them, but modifications may be made by the local Administrative Authorities. Below that level, what happens with coaching rules in any given league or local tournament is anyone's guess. If you really want to know, ask ahead of time and make them show it to you in writing. If they can't, run away. Run, don't walk.

To make it easier, I'll just post up the section from the Tournament Regulations for the 2010 BCAPL National 8-Ball Championships that deals with team coaching:

T6 Coaching

1. During your inning, you may not communicate with your team, and your team may not assist you in any way. Whether a coaching foul has occurred and been properly called is at the sole judgment of the referee.

2. Except as prohibited in Regulation T6.3 below, during your opponent's inning you may quietly discuss anything you wish with your team. All discussion and communication must stop immediately when your opponent's inning ends.

3. At any time, REGARDLESS OF WHICH PLAYER IS AT THE TABLE, it is a foul for any team member involved in a match but not actually playing in a game to:

a. suggest to a player in a game that they call a referee;
b. alert another player that their opponent has fouled or that coaching has occurred.

4. It is not a foul for any player involved in a match, playing in a game or not, to:

a. alert their team that the wrong player(s) are at the table;
b. summon a referee for a matter not directly related to the course of the game at the table, such as score sheet problems
c. offer encouragement or emotional support to a player at the table

5. A COACHING FOUL MAY ONLY BE CALLED BY A PLAYER INVOLVED IN A GAME OR A REFEREE. If a coaching foul occurs, and any player on the offended team who is not involved in the game calls the coaching foul before their player at the table does or alerts their player to the coaching foul, the foul is negated and play will proceed with no penalties applied.


The National office has worked long and hard to simplify the mess that coaching arguments often create and, after much discussion, has come up with an elegant solution. Please note that, per T6.5, coaching fouls cannot be called by team members of the offended from behind the rail. If a coaching foul occurs and someone from the other team replies with what is essentially another coaching foul, the two cancel each other out and you play on.

In OP's situation: if the captain had alerted the player with stripes that there was still a stripe on the table, AND player with solids called the foul, it would have been BIH for solids. In general, loss of game has not been a penalty in BCAPL play, though the regs for this event may have been different.

The complete regulations for the BCAPL Nationals are posted on the BCAPL website.
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