Where to play in LA

[demonrho]

I would like to clear up a few points.

... I have played Lou several times and he is a stand up, honest guy and a Gentlemen to play. Sure he has his Opinions as we all do. Practicing on the back table must me some form ducking.


Jim

Let's get real. When you (meaning Lou) practice on the back tables and avoid the front action tables, and then afterwards claim no one would play you - that is ducking and lying. When you (meaning Lou) accuse Wayne of not giving up a fair spot - that takes you out of the category of "honest guy" and "Gentlemen" and enters you into the category of blowhard and liar. :wink:

 

[wayne]

(ahem)
BTW, speaking of "intent" what was your "intent", Wayne, mentioning Jimbo's and providing links to Spider's moronic videos?

Lou Figueroa

The reason for mentioning the website www.jimboarmy.com and the thread of "the dumbest f....s of all dumb f...ks" was for entertainment purposes only and to see how your knocking had gotten you the #2 rating.

The reason for spiders videos was to show how your knocking had ticked someone off so badly that he spent a lot of time creating cartoons of you and your asinine behavior. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKqOPjUVMQ4

My intell, pms and emails and friends have also told me you have knocked John Schmidt to the point he wanted to knock you out, you knocked Stevie Moore and his teachings, Stan Shuffett and his teachings, CJ Wiley and his teachings. All highly respected players and teachers who are trying to get by and do not need some nobody knocking them.

Since you knocked me with your whopper of a lie, which if I was a somebody in the pool world could have seriously affected my action, I feel I am entitled to show all of your knocking. Fortunately, not a single person believed your lie and there has not been a single mention of anything that would back it up.

Wayne

 

[lfigueroa]

Yes I said you are still lying which you were. I didn't say you were lying about everything somehow you extrapolated that for your own convenience. I have been very specific about what you have lied about. I am still waiting for you to give one example (you don't need to give your imaginary friends names) just one example where I tried to get a lock game. Ask all of your imaginary friends and see if they can come up with one.
Wayne

Both the guys have tried to match up with you and not been able to. As a result, one said you were the biggest lock artist in LA. The other said you would not give up a fair game. Sorry if that's not enough for you

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

The reason for mentioning the website www.jimboarmy.com and the thread of "the dumbest f....s of all dumb f...ks" was for entertainment purposes only and to see how your knocking had gotten you the #2 rating.

The reason for spiders videos was to show how your knocking had ticked someone off so badly that he spent a lot of time creating cartoons of you and your asinine behavior. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKqOPjUVMQ4

My intell, pms and emails and friends have also told me you have knocked John Schmidt to the point he wanted to knock you out, you knocked Stevie Moore and his teachings, Stan Shuffett and his teachings, CJ Wiley and his teachings. All highly respected players and teachers who are trying to get by and do not need some nobody knocking them.

Since you knocked me with your whopper of a lie, which if I was a somebody in the pool world could have seriously affected my action, I feel I am entitled to show all of your knocking. Fortunately, not a single person believed your lie and there has not been a single mention of anything that would back it up.

Wayne

oh, OK.

I guess I can say that I've said what I've said, "for entertainment purposes only." (Are we having fun yet?)

As to your "intell, pms and emails and friends" "knocking" me, that's all fine and I can accept it -- people are entitled to their opinions and those opinions will vary ;-)

Lou Figueroa

 

[wayne]

^^^^^ The infamous "I spoke to someone, who I won't name, who said _____ which proves my point on _____" maneuver.

I hope you do write a book - but it should be called "How to Get Asked (or DEMANDED) Outside"

I don't think Lou should get too excited about writing his book. His thread promoting it is #25,272 in popularity on AZ Billiards with 18 responses, the majority responder being Lou himself. 5 people said they would buy it and 3 said they would look at a used copy.

Although I am sure he is convinced it will be a bestseller especially now since he is considering adding a chapter on "his 20 visits to Santa Monica and never getting a game." Breathtaking material.

Just kidding Lou if the 5 people followed through and bought a copy it would probably be 5 more than would buy a book by most of us.

Wayne

 

[Fatboy]

The reason for mentioning the website www.jimboarmy.com and the thread of "the dumbest f....s of all dumb f...ks" was for entertainment purposes only and to see how your knocking had gotten you the #2 rating.

The reason for spiders videos was to show how your knocking had ticked someone off so badly that he spent a lot of time creating cartoons of you and your asinine behavior. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKqOPjUVMQ4

My intell, pms and emails and friends have also told me you have knocked John Schmidt to the point he wanted to knock you out, you knocked Stevie Moore and his teachings, Stan Shuffett and his teachings, CJ Wiley and his teachings. All highly respected players and teachers who are trying to get by and do not need some nobody knocking them.

Since you knocked me with your whopper of a lie, which if I was a somebody in the pool world could have seriously affected my action, I feel I am entitled to show all of your knocking. Fortunately, not a single person believed your lie and there has not been a single mention of anything that would back it up.

Wayne

Jimbo is a jackoff

 

[APA7]

Yes I said you are still lying which you were. I didn't say you were lying about everything somehow you extrapolated that for your own convenience. I have been very specific about what you have lied about. I am still waiting for you to give one example (you don't need to give your imaginary friends names) just one example where I tried to get a lock game. Ask all of your imaginary friends and see if they can come up with one.
Wayne

Lou-ser should duck THIS too. It a`int pretty.:sorry:

 

[SpiderWebComm]

The reason for mentioning the website www.jimboarmy.com and the thread of "the dumbest f....s of all dumb f...ks" was for entertainment purposes only and to see how your knocking had gotten you the #2 rating.

The reason for spiders videos was to show how your knocking had ticked someone off so badly that he spent a lot of time creating cartoons of you and your asinine behavior. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKqOPjUVMQ4

My intell, pms and emails and friends have also told me you have knocked John Schmidt to the point he wanted to knock you out, you knocked Stevie Moore and his teachings, Stan Shuffett and his teachings, CJ Wiley and his teachings. All highly respected players and teachers who are trying to get by and do not need some nobody knocking them.

Since you knocked me with your whopper of a lie, which if I was a somebody in the pool world could have seriously affected my action, I feel I am entitled to show all of your knocking. Fortunately, not a single person believed your lie and there has not been a single mention of anything that would back it up.

Wayne

Not to pat myself on the back and whatnot, but I busted each of those cartoons out within an hour. In fact, this thread is the perfect script for a new cartoon.

Here's how I see it playing out:

- Lou enters a pool room with music playing in the background.
- Pool room is packed - everyone is playing and in action.
- He just stands at his table...looking to the left....looking to the right....looking to the left....looking to the right...(repeat a bunch of times for like 5 mins straight)
- He then chooses to leave
- He then knocks the room by saying everyone was scared...and when they question Lou-ser, he drops his cue and starts busting-out a Johnny Cash style "I've Been Everywhere" when it comes to playing pool. Maybe even have gratuitous line dancers kicking in from the side..... and the someone cuts the music off... and then it's just Lou-ser and his Macbook...staring at AZB...and his "Glamor Shot" of him playing pool at the US Open One Pocket.



*** This was my best movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JFIy2ebJIE

 

[Razor]

Not to pat myself on the back and whatnot, but I busted each of those cartoons out within an hour. In fact, this thread is the perfect script for a new cartoon.

Here's how I see it playing out:

- Lou enters a pool room with music playing in the background.
- Pool room is packed - everyone is playing and in action.
- He just stands at his table...looking to the left....looking to the right....looking to the left....looking to the right...(repeat a bunch of times for like 5 mins straight)
- He then chooses to leave
- He then knocks the room by saying everyone was scared...and when they question Lou-ser, he drops his cue and starts busting-out a Johnny Cash style "I've Been Everywhere" when it comes to playing pool. Maybe even have gratuitous line dancers kicking in from the side..... and the someone cuts the music off... and then it's just Lou-ser and his Macbook...staring at AZB...and his "Glamor Shot" of him playing pool at the US Open One Pocket.

LOL. I would love to see it (as long as we can trim the 5 min part down to about 30 secs max - don't know that I could stand that long of a clip of Fig Nuts even in a cartoon)...

Have to go back to the other ones from time-to-time just for a good belly laugh. Classic stuff.

Good luck and best wishes to all...

~Razor

 

[wayne]

Both the guys have tried to match up with you and not been able to. As a result, one said you were the biggest lock artist in LA. The other said you would not give up a fair game. Sorry if that's not enough for you

Lou Figueroa

That's all I was asking for Lou was for you to get one of your imaginary friends to tell of a match up where i was trying to get a lock. You came up with 2 imaginary friends who tried to match up with me and couldn't get the game they wanted. That's plenty for me.
Thanks, Wayne

 

[wayne]

Not to pat myself on the back and whatnot, but I busted each of those cartoons out within an hour. In fact, this thread is the perfect script for a new cartoon.

Here's how I see it playing out:

- Lou enters a pool room with music playing in the background.
- Pool room is packed - everyone is playing and in action.
- He just stands at his table...looking to the left....looking to the right....looking to the left....looking to the right...(repeat a bunch of times for like 5 mins straight)
- He then chooses to leave
- He then knocks the room by saying everyone was scared...and when they question Lou-ser, he drops his cue and starts busting-out a Johnny Cash style "I've Been Everywhere" when it comes to playing pool. Maybe even have gratuitous line dancers kicking in from the side..... and the someone cuts the music off... and then it's just Lou-ser and his Macbook...staring at AZB...and his "Glamor Shot" of him playing pool at the US Open One Pocket.



*** This was my best movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JFIy2ebJIE

That is some funny stuff you come up with and it all hits pretty close to the truth. LOL

 

[Fatboy]

Without trowing myself under a bus here, I might have told Lou your tough action Wayne, because you play very strong in HOB. I might have said something that implied your a lock artist, i didnt mean it like that., but i will fess up I did tell Lou that your very strong. I didnt intend to knock a game, if I did i apologize, I'm not going to hide behind a keyboard. I did say something and I hope I it wasnt something i'd regret. I'd rather be in the open with it than not, if i screwed up(said something i shouldnt have) i'll take the heat that comes with it. I hope this dont harm our relationship/friendship. I cant sit here and let it slide if i did screw up. thats how I roll.

 

[jay helfert]

I've been playing pool at the Santa Monica HOB off and on for about 40 years!!!
I've seen several generations of pool players come and go, and many just stay there forever!
It's a great room with some of the toughest tables in the world. I used to be one of the top players in there but my time has come and gone. Now I'm the guy asking for the spot, instead of giving it up. lol

I like the current crop of players coming in there, with Wayne, Tall Phil and One Pocket Rich willing to take on ALL comers! I've seen them match up with stone champions, probably taking a little the worst of it. For the record Wayne and Phil are two of the classiest guys I've ever seen gamble. Never a squawk, never a beef, never any problems whatsoever. If you win they just pay the money, smile and shake your hand. If I get a chance to go back there anytime soon, I will gladly try to match up with either of them. Every poolroom should have a few guys like this, who are ready, willing and able to take on just about anybody who walks thru the doors.

 

[Fatboy]

I've been playing pool at the Santa Monica HOB off and on for about 40 years!!!
I've seen several generations of pool players come and go, and many just stay there forever!
It's a great room with some of the toughest tables in the world. I used to be one of the top players in there but my time has come and gone. Now I'm the guy asking for the spot, instead of giving it up. lol

I like the current crop of players coming in there, with Wayne, Tall Phil and One Pocket Rich willing to take on ALL comers! I've seen them match up with stone champions, probably taking a little the worst of it. For the record Wayne and Phil are two of the classiest guys I've ever seen gamble. Never a squawk, never a beef, never any problems whatsoever. If you win they just pay the money, smile and shake your hand. If I get a chance to go back there anytime soon, I will gladly try to match up with either of them. Every poolroom should have a few guys like this, who are ready, willing and able to take on just about anybody who walks thru the doors.

you heard it here, "The Toughest Tables in the World" or close to it, i will say this, i have played all over the world-not as much as Jay obviously, but I been around, and they are tricky tables. Even when I play there 4 days in a row or 6 times in 10 days, they are tricky. open the front door and in a hour its a whole new ball game.


the front table in Ferroni's in Merced NOT Modesto was a trick table in the late 80's and ranked up there IMO. Super slow cloth and funny rolls was the gaff there. Anyone remember that box? It was a trap table, Dave was pretty smart to set it up like that.

 

[jtompilot]

Thanks Jim I believe I remember you and I liked your game. I know someone may have overrated your game which may have caused some problems. I am glad your experience with Lou led you to believe he is a stand up honest guy.

Just out of curiosity do you think he was being honest with his quote "Everyone in Los Angeles knows Wayne is a lock artist. Don't play him" and the fact he got this from numerous sources but has not been able to identify a single one or give a single example of where I tried to get a lock.

You know what this can do when someone gives you the reputation of trying to get an unfair game, do you think that was Lou's intent when he made up this lie?

Is it ok to be a knocker and tell lies like he did? Am I wrong to be offended by his lies?

Wayne

I can only relate my experience. It tells me Lou is a good guy.

Wayne, someone must have had the short end with you. I'll Guarantee that at least one person told Lou that your a lock artist. It may be an Exaggeration, it may be totally wrong but someone told Lou that.

If you play Lou I'm sure you'll have a good match.

Jim

 

[CantEverWin]

I don't know what the pertinent unwritten rule would be, Banks.

Variously, on different visits to SM, I have tried: waiting to be asked, asked guys to play, asked the houseman if there was anyone around to play, asked the houseman to send anyone over who would like to play, and... have not gotten a game.

I was up in Portland a few years ago on a drive down the West Coast to SF, but didn't have time for pool. Visited the Chinese garden though

Lou Figueroa

I think I know what happened. When you were in there looking for a game the action guys were all busy on the Internet defending the action in their pool room.

 

[wayne]

Without trowing myself under a bus here, I might have told Lou your tough action Wayne, because you play very strong in HOB. I might have said something that implied your a lock artist, i didnt mean it like that., but i will fess up I did tell Lou that your very strong. I didnt intend to knock a game, if I did i apologize, I'm not going to hide behind a keyboard. I did say something and I hope I it wasnt something i'd regret. I'd rather be in the open with it than not, if i screwed up(said something i shouldnt have) i'll take the heat that comes with it. I hope this dont harm our relationship/friendship. I cant sit here and let it slide if i did screw up. thats how I roll.

I started to write a post saying the only 2 guys I ducked that i could think of in the past few years were Shane Van Boening when he came in with you late on a Friday and you wanted to put him in some big action and Beau Runnigan who you talked about me playing and I backed down. I knew neither one of them would be talking to Lou. Then I had the thought that you were the common denominator and I wondered if you had said something. I decided not to write the post because I thought you might have and I was going to ask you about it.

I have to be the worst lock artist in the world, gambling even with Efren, Parica, Santos, Billy Palmer, Raphael Martinez, Ike Runnels, Richard Grenier,
Ricky from St Louis, Sergio from Chicago, a few of the top Vegas players, Tommy Tokoph, Gus Briseno. I guess to escape my lock artist designation I will have to start offering them weight (right).

I don't bet high often with $100 a game being my comfort zone. But I have played sets for $1,000 to 3,000 in recent years giving up a lot of weight.

I had a game lined up with your friend Cotton (we have played partner games against each other and matched up once) for $2000 with me giving him a little weight but he had a family crisis and couldn't make it.

I did offer to play you $1000 a game giving you a little more weight than Cotton gives you I believe it was 12-5 but you told me because we are friends you would only want to bet $20 which I respected.

Too bad you gave Lou ammunition now I can't say everything he was saying was imaginary but I have said a lot of stupid things in my life so I am not one to cast stones.

Wayne

 

[jtompilot]

As to point no1. Yes you said it but another backed your statement up with aspersions like our people having expensive sticks but not willing to play. Then setting forth with personal attacks. Now tell me what does that imply? Youre a decent man. What do you deduce from that.

All rooms have all kinds of people. Yes there are some who fear others. There are those who pretend fear. There are those that are not afraid of you but afraid of what they might do in a tense situation. We have nits, bullies, braggarts, a holes, etc like any other room. But you don't attack the room or one of the most decent people in it. Thoses are not "bases of truth". And I promise you this there are those of us who will protect any visitor or defend you against these miscreants.

As far as Lou goes your description is admirable. But he hasn't acted that way here. Had he said plainly. I have a problem. Every time I visit HOB. I cant get a game. Is it me? Do I look like a great road player? Or are they just afraid to play strangers? Can someone help?

We would have rolled out the red carpet for him. I personally would have taken a personal call from him and set him up with some decent $10 to $40 pick up games. And be happy to. But he went about it the wrong way and got wronger. You know it. I know it and everyone else does.

Its not about just defending the room. But defending integrity. You think the east coast would let me get away with it if I said Tony Robles was a nit and a lock artist? You know how ridiculous that sounds?

"No, no guys it wasn't me it was my intel anony sources. Besides I said ROCK artist. Not Lock artist. ROCK artist.!!! Doesn't good ole Tony play the drums for chissakes???"'

Let me add one side note. Ducking is not bad. We've all quacked now and then. What is bad is not being honest and lying about the room and its players when you ducked and calling everyone else a duck artist when you know in your heart you are the one, Billy Jean.

All in all. You seem like a decent chap. I hope you comeback. You said you had a "rant". Everyone is allowed it from time to time. We don't take that too seriously. That's over and done. But we don't take attacks on our integrity.

I understand and can see your point. I can't defend what I don't know about. This thread has gotten out of control. I wish a lot of it could be deleted. I learned I need to keep my mouth shut.

 

[wayne]

I can only relate my experience. It tells me Lou is a good guy.

Wayne, someone must have had the short end with you. I'll Guarantee that at least one person told Lou that your a lock artist. It may be an Exaggeration, it may be totally wrong but someone told Lou that.

If you play Lou I'm sure you'll have a good match.

Jim

Yeah, Fatboy fessed up and I responded to his post.

Wayne

 

[jtompilot]

I started to write a post saying the only 2 guys I ducked that i could think of in the past few years were Shane Van Boening when he came in with you late on a Friday and you wanted to put him in some big action and Beau Runnigan who you talked about me playing and I backed down. I knew neither one of them would be talking to Lou. Then I had the thought that you were the common denominator and I wondered if you had said something. I decided not to write the post because I thought you might have and I was going to ask you about it.

I have to be the worst lock artist in the world, gambling even with Efren, Parica, Santos, Billy Palmer, Raphael Martinez, Ike Runnels, Richard Grenier,
Ricky from St Louis, Sergio from Chicago, a few of the top Vegas players, Tommy Tokoph, Gus Briseno. I guess to escape my lock artist designation I will have to start offering them weight (right).

I don't bet high often with $100 a game being my comfort zone. But I have played sets for $1,000 to 3,000 in recent years giving up a lot of weight.

I had a game lined up with your friend Cotton (we have played partner games against each other and matched up once) for $2000 with me giving him a little weight but he had a family crisis and couldn't make it.

I did offer to play you $1000 a game giving you a little more weight than Cotton gives you I believe it was 12-5 but you told me because we are friends you would only want to bet $20 which I respected.

Too bad you gave Lou ammunition now I can't say everything he was saying was imaginary but I have said a lot of stupid things in my life so I am not one to cast stones.

Wayne

Hey Wayne, I've lost to some of those same players. Well, maybe more like run over. My game is all over the map. I can tell you that some of them are true lock artist.