Which aiming system you use and why?

Which aiming system do you use?

  • Bottom of the ball

    Votes: 3 11.1%
  • Center to Edge (CTE)

    Votes: 7 25.9%
  • CP to CP (Parallel-lines)

    Votes: 2 7.4%
  • Double the Distance

    Votes: 1 3.7%
  • Fractional-ball

    Votes: 6 22.2%
  • Midpoint parallel shift

    Votes: 2 7.4%
  • Hit a million balls (aiming by feel coming from practice shots many times)

    Votes: 18 66.7%

  • Total voters
    27
No, as has already been pointed out, many players just see and shoot.

Lou Figueroa

I'll give you some good advice ...stop doing what your doing and do something different ...your game is in stuck mode. You're the type of guy at the pool hall who has played the same speed his whole life. What a waste, but its still not looking to bad for you..at least your mouth ain't stuck shut.
 
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CJ posts some interesting stuff.
"Everyone does use a system, I agree, the Connection System I describe in the video is definitely repeatable and measurable, a different way to look at Aiming, more about feel, touch and instinct - The point I wanted to stress is developing a Center/Center or Center/Edge alignment ABOVE the shot......this gives your subconscious a consistent starting point, which is essential to get in The Zone.

There's also a way to maximize your pocket target by dividing it into 3 Parts, gives a perception of a zone right away......then there's another trick, to intentionally force the cueball outside the line and favor the inside of the pocket."
 
Another CJ post,

"Yes, CTE works as long as the player does have a solid reference point to start with.

For banking I encourage pivoting to create angles off the reference point of Center/Center or Center/Edge and that's for outside English, For Inside I recommend a parallel shift because if you don't you'll under cut the desired angle consistently."
 
That's a pretty good summation. Although going through the visuals at this point is so ingrained and so fast that little thought is involved and a flow can be kept going when everything looks like the pockets are 6 1/2".
SpiderMan...in some cases, being able to diagnose the visuals in a nanosecond just isn't enough (the same could be applicable to using any system)...especially that old hackneyed arithmetic fractional method that 'would be pool heroes' advocate.
I found very early through video taping that I had alignment problems which were causing difficulty in hitting the correct spot on the cueball, so it would go in a straight line to the correct spot.
No stroke errors...the shots were going straight and true, but just to the wrong places due to no consistent PSR. It took probably a year of struggling alone, 3 hours a day, through trial and error to correct that. (I didn't see any use in wasting $$ consulting with fat belly "instructors" who were 90% hot air and had never won a match for money under pressure).
Once that consistent PSR got into place then came problems with my eyes due to age. Gene's Perfect Aim method got the eye thing straightened out.
Then a week under the watchful, patient, eyes of Stan Shuffett got everything in order with the ProOne. (he never spoke about any alignment problems so I knew I was "in the groove" with that) Students should avail themselves of his masterly diagnosis of the game and his brilliance in improving on the original Hal Houle documents. In my opinion, there is nothing better out there.
No student is going to be a consistent hitter if there exists alignment or stroke problems. Doesn't matter if the student uses CTE, poolfractionology, Tor Lowery, "just look at it" or anything else. Furthermore it is a very difficult thing to correct after decades of ingrained inconsistency. It takes guts to stick with it and an intense love of training and rehearsing.
I noticed that in the heralded one pocket match between Lou Figueroa and JB The Case Making Man. Both had alignment and stroking errors. Lou (with his stubbornness) was still stuck with that old Mosconi stance and being a "noser" while JB (who is a terrific guy and a darn nice person) had jumping up problems and steering of the cue. I thought to myself that both of them must have more money than they have humility to be betting that kind of money on their game. (I am, of course, a mere 10 dollar bettor because being poor, if I bet any higher and lost, I couldn't pay up and then the opponent would throw me over the roof.)
The bottom line is that the method selected can be thrown under the bus very quickly if the player has alignment troubles.
Regards,
P.L.
 
I'll give you some good advice ...stop doing what your doing and do something different ...your game is in stuck mode. You're the type of guy at the pool hall who has played the same speed his whole life. What a waste, but its still not looking to bad for you..at least your mouth ain't stuck shut.


Yeah, you’re right.

It killed me to get that check from Diamond a few months ago for making it to the sixth round and cashing in the DCC 1pocket this year.

Lou Figueroa
lost to Busty 3-1
 
Originally Posted by BC21

By narrowing the mind (focusing on something specific that leaves your excuse out) you can get back on track much easier, back in stroke and up to speed. This can happen with any aiming system or method as long as you incorporate it into your psr. So maybe that's what Spider is getting at, the reason he hinted that CTE keeps the road smoother for him.


That's a pretty good summation. Although going through the visuals at this point is so ingrained and so fast that little thought is involved and a flow can be kept going when everything looks like the pockets are 6 1/2".

Of course, that's only natural. The same ingrained process occurs for ghostball, fractions, contact points, etc.... Thousands of pro players have been proving this for years. The more you work with something, the better and more consistent you get with it.

Eventually there's very little conscious thought being done, other than strategy and position planning. The aiming portion of playing ends up being so ingrained that it feels like we just see and do, as Lou describes. But below the surface our brain is still doing every step in accordance with the information our eyes are capturing, but it's doing it, as you say, with very little thought involved.
 
These HAMB'rs really use ghost ball or contact points but are just unaware of it.

They often walk to the OB and line it up to the pocket or another ball if it's a combo. I call them ghost ball and contact point deniers.
Bastards! HAMB is winning the survey by a lot.
Then again GB is not in there. Ray Martin is mad!
 
These HAMB'rs really use ghost ball or contact points but are just unaware of it.

They often walk to the OB and line it up to the pocket or another ball if it's a combo. I call them ghost ball and contact point deniers.
Bastards! HAMB is winning the survey by a lot.
Then again GB is not in there. Ray Martin is mad!


Right.

I also can bend spoons with my mind, just don't know it.

Lou Figueroa
jeez
 
Yeah, you’re right.

It killed me to get that check from Diamond a few months ago for making it to the sixth round and cashing in the DCC 1pocket this year.

Lou Figueroa
lost to Busty 3-1

Your stuck game must be good .
 
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These HAMB'rs really use ghost ball or contact points but are just unaware of it.

They often walk to the OB and line it up to the pocket or another ball if it's a combo. I call them ghost ball and contact point deniers.
Bastards! HAMB is winning the survey by a lot.
Then again GB is not in there. Ray Martin is mad!

I agree. But then again I believe any aiming method/system eventually becomes better and more accurate with HAMB. That's a good indication that once the player has hit enough balls to get their method working consistently, the quality of results is more of a testament to experience and skill development than it is the exact aiming method or system itself.

And of course some players may adapt to one method/system or another quicker and more proficient than others would. So to each their own. Choose one that works easiest for you then practice practice practice until you can say you just see the shots and shoot.
 
I agree. But then again I believe any aiming method/system eventually becomes better and more accurate with HAMB. That's a good indication that once the player has hit enough balls to get their method working consistently, the quality of results is more of a testament to experience and skill development than it is the exact aiming method or system itself.

And of course some players may adapt to one method/system or another quicker and more proficient than others would. So to each their own. Choose one that works easiest for you then practice practice practice until you can say you just see the shots and shoot.

Yup.
Troy Lowry advocates shooting the same shot some 30 times so it becomes automatic to you.
Kinda like driving in the freeways. Sometimes you get home and you don't even remember driving for a few miles. :D
 
Troy Lowry advocates shooting the same shot some 30 times so it becomes automatic to you.

That's it? 30 times is all it takes and becomes automatic? ROTFLMAO! I assume it means 30 shots MADE in a row without missing. You could be ingraining the wrong alignment and stroke with the misses.

It also shoots the hell out of hitting a million balls theory. If you set up shots from straight in up to 90 degrees in one degree increments it would be 91 shots X 30 attempts which equals 2,730.

There we go. The hit a million ball theory is shot to hell. All that's needed is 2,730 and you're a champion pro player!

Funny how PGA tour players hit somewhere between 200 -500 balls on the range every day and don't ever come close to perfection and they're already at the highest pro level. Throughout their lives as kids and teenagers learning the game many of them hit between 500 - 1,000 balls a day. A small percentage of them make it as PGA tour pros and the very large percentage fizzle entirely.

Here's a test for you Joey as well as anybody else who wishes to try. Set the OB on the spot. Set the CB on the opposite spot. Shoot 30 to the right corner pocket and 30 to the left corner pocket and tell us how many you made in each.

If after doing that, you can then pocket 30 and 30 every time you decide to test yourself from ingrained memory, YOU ARE A PRO who might end up as the GOAT!

(this has to be one of the most absurd things I've ever heard.)
 
That's it? 30 times is all it takes and becomes automatic? ROTFLMAO! I assume it means 30 shots MADE in a row without missing. You could be ingraining the wrong alignment and stroke with the misses.

It also shoots the hell out of hitting a million balls theory. If you set up shots from straight in up to 90 degrees in one degree increments it would be 91 shots X 30 attempts which equals 2,730.

There we go. The hit a million ball theory is shot to hell. All that's needed is 2,730 and you're a champion pro player!

Funny how PGA tour players hit somewhere between 200 -500 balls on the range every day and don't ever come close to perfection and they're already at the highest pro level. Throughout their lives as kids and teenagers learning the game many of them hit between 500 - 1,000 balls a day. A small percentage of them make it as PGA tour pros and the very large percentage fizzle entirely.

Here's a test for you Joey as well as anybody else who wishes to try. Set the OB on the spot. Set the CB on the opposite spot. Shoot 30 to the right corner pocket and 30 to the left corner pocket and tell us how many you made in each.

If after doing that, you can then pocket 30 and 30 every time you decide to test yourself from ingrained memory, YOU ARE A PRO who might end up as the GOAT!

(this has to be one of the most absurd things I've ever heard.)

Post a video of you doing it......
 
Post a video of you doing it......

Post a video of you doing it. You're even allowed to put the magical arrow down by the OB.

The person who needs to do a video is Joey since it's his hair brained claim. (then again nobody has ever seen Joey playing in a pool room or on video so he might not even play)

I guess if Tor Lowry says it, it MUST be true.
 
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Post a video of you doing it. You're even allowed to put the magical arrow down by the OB.

The person who needs to do a video is Joey since it's his hair brained claim. (then again nobody has ever seen Joey playing in a pool room or on video so he might not even play)

I guess if Tor Lowry says it, it MUST be true.



Its crazy in this world we live in. We all believe in someone else before ourselves.
Making the mistake of putting other people on the pedstal while not realizing we're actually putting ourselves down. Needing a pat on the back will only hurt you, getting knock down then standing stronge on your own is a much better way.

Most the time in life we have someone slowing us down and if you dont know who it is...go look in the mirror.
 
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Its crazy in this world we live in. We all believe in someone else before ourselves.
Making the mistake of putting other people on the pedstal while not realizing we're actually putting ourselves down. Needing a pat on the back will only hurt you, getting knock down then standing stronge on your own is a much better way.

Most the time in life we have someone slowing us down and if you dont know who it is...go look in the mirror.

We're starting to get more and more on the same wave length. Maybe we always were to a large degree but the timing just wasn't right nor was it shown by either of us.
 
Yup.
Troy Lowry advocates shooting the same shot some 30 times so it becomes automatic to you.
Kinda like driving in the freeways. Sometimes you get home and you don't even remember driving for a few miles. :D

The driving analogy is good, but you won't find yourself doing that on a road you've only driven 30 times.

I'm sure Tor Lowry means that when you've hit a certain shot enough times to be able to hit it perfectly 30 times in a row, then you can consider that shot automatic.

You progressively work on ingraining the shot to memory. At first you might struggle to shoot it 5 times in a row. Then when that goal becomes too easy you bump it up to 10, then 15 or 20. Eventually your goal is 30, if that's what you want to call your end goal, and once you can do that consistently the shot more or less is automatic. And by automatic I mean it's a shot that you automatically recognize and know how to shoot from a subconscious level with very little thought involved. You just do it without really trying too to do it or without thinking how to do it.

Whether or not you make this shot 100% of the time depends on your focus on any given day, your frame of mind, your ability to follow a consistent psr while dealing with any distractions, any mental, physical, or emotional stumbling blocks. In other words, "automatic" isn't neccessarily always automatic.
 
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