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Wait, more juvenile lol.
B!tch.
Hammers are still way ahead.
Here comes more arguing
Lol
Lol
Wait, more juvenile lol.
B!tch.
Hammers are still way ahead.
Here comes more arguing
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Which aiming system you use and why?
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Actually systems are winning 13-12
Ah!
Lou, you are losing!
You need to journey to the dark side .
Then again, HAMB is not a system.
So, it should not be in the survey.
GB and equal opposite parts should be.
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Hamb
Thats pretty misleading wouldn't you say.
Take some time off...are you gonna play as well as you did when you stoped ???
If you just play bad...you might just play better..who knows.
Hamb is not a finish line, its your number and it can come and go buts definently the secret.
Thats pretty misleading wouldn't you say.
Take some time off...are you gonna play as well as you did when you stoped ???
If you just play bad...you might just play better..who knows.
Hamb is not a finish line, its your number and it can come and go buts definently the secret.
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I don't hamb.
That's Lou.
I like Al Romero's ghost ball system.
With my RK'd eyes, it works best for me.
I didn't mean you I was just saying hamb really is kinda a misleading statement. Practice wrong your never gonna
Get there know matter how many balls you hit.
It is. That's why argued that even hammers really use ghost ball or contact points.
You still have to VISUALIZE something.
If it's a straight-in shot, will you line up to the side of the OB from the center of the cb ? WE KNOW from experience that doesn't work ( unless you pivot or something ).
To know where the cue ball is going, you have to visualize the hit or tangent line.
And Lou actually disagrees a little with himself as he also has a very methodical PSR. He has to setup to something METHODICALLY. He does stay down on his shots pretty good too.
Then again, you can argue, hambers hamb until shots becoming "automatic".
But, I'm not arguing. Late.
Gotta make dust now.
Good grief.
I setup to the damn shot -- that's it. I see the whole enchilada and get down into shooting position, having factored everything in, then, with minor bridge adjustments, shoot.
Lou Figueroa
it's just
not that
complicated
Looks like a system got someone to lose a ton of money again.
Just some thoughts for the OP....
Looking at the polling data, and considering the best players we've ever seen playing the game, I believe ghostball needed to be in the mix. I believe it's #1, as far what most of the greatest players traditionally started with, then eventually becoming so ingrained in the subconscious that it comes to be described as "just seeing the shots".
Ghostball, contact points, and fractional aiming each work like this, programming the mind through thousands of repetitive cb-ob relationships until it's so ingrained that you rarely have to think about aiming anymore. You see the cb, the ob, the pocket, and you know the shot without having to consciously go through any particular aiming process or steps. You feel like you've always known it, like your ability to read and comprehend this sentence. When you first started learning how to read, it took a lot of repetition, a lot of learning, a lot of conscious effort. But eventually it become ingrained, and now there's very little if any conscious effort at all -- just see and do.
Anyway, all three of the aiming methods mentioned above have proven effective for taking a new player from beginner to pro level after enough table time, enough practice and repetition, enough experience and seasoning. In other words, after Hitting A Million Balls. That's right, each of these proven methods/systems involves using the good old HAMB method in order to reach the highest levels of play.
So the key is to pick the aiming method that suits you best, whichever method feels easier to work with. Because the quicker you catch onto something the quicker you find yourself getting positive results, improving. If you aren't seeing improvement, not having things click for you within a couple of weeks of practicing one method or another, then you are in for a long bumpy road, a lot of misses before your brain finally starts ironing them out and you're able to start seeing improvement.
Don't waste time on anything that doesn't seem to be providing the results you think you should be getting. Some people spend years trying to perfect one method or another, and after all that time, possibly hundreds or thousands of hours, they're no better than they would've been after just a few dozen hours with a different method.
Looking at the polling data, and considering the best players we've ever seen playing the game, I believe ghostball needed to be in the mix. I believe it's #1, as far what most of the greatest players traditionally started with, then eventually becoming so ingrained in the subconscious that it comes to be described as "just seeing the shots".
Ghostball, contact points, and fractional aiming each work like this, programming the mind through thousands of repetitive cb-ob relationships until it's so ingrained that you rarely have to think about aiming anymore. You see the cb, the ob, the pocket, and you know the shot without having to consciously go through any particular aiming process or steps. You feel like you've always known it, like your ability to read and comprehend this sentence. When you first started learning how to read, it took a lot of repetition, a lot of learning, a lot of conscious effort. But eventually it become ingrained, and now there's very little if any conscious effort at all -- just see and do.
Anyway, all three of the aiming methods mentioned above have proven effective for taking a new player from beginner to pro level after enough table time, enough practice and repetition, enough experience and seasoning. In other words, after Hitting A Million Balls. That's right, each of these proven methods/systems involves using the good old HAMB method in order to reach the highest levels of play.
So the key is to pick the aiming method that suits you best, whichever method feels easier to work with. Because the quicker you catch onto something the quicker you find yourself getting positive results, improving. If you aren't seeing improvement, not having things click for you within a couple of weeks of practicing one method or another, then you are in for a long bumpy road, a lot of misses before your brain finally starts ironing them out and you're able to start seeing improvement.
Don't waste time on anything that doesn't seem to be providing the results you think you should be getting. Some people spend years trying to perfect one method or another, and after all that time, possibly hundreds or thousands of hours, they're no better than they would've been after just a few dozen hours with a different method.
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I didn't vote because I don't think the poll has quite the right categories. I'd be willing to bet that for most people HAMB is ghost ball.
Isn't that the thing.
You always have the advocates crowing about some champion being a believer. But when its an average Joe, who has been a fan of the system for decades, and shows he can't deploy it, AND THEN Stan throws him under the bus to boot, you can see how bogus it all is.
Don't tell me it works good for a pro -- tell me it works good for a guy like JB with all his CTE youtube videos.
Lou Figueroa
I think it's the old "cart before the horse" logic.
A master cart builder always appears to have a faster cart when strapped to a thoroughbred. But hook a Shetland poney or Tennessee walker up to it and the cart becomes just another cart.
This is so true, and there are plenty of examples in most bars and taverns with a pool tables, where millions of fun pool players hit thousands of shots over several years just playing on Friday and Saturday nights, never getting any better than average. It takes a hell of a lot more than just hitting a bunch of shots, that's for sure.
If John's stroke was grade A his game would be a heck of a lot better. You cant blame a system when the stroke is failing a guy . Myself have battled stroke issues and it doesnt matter how well you aim if you cant get the cb ball there. When that happens you start playing scared...becomes a nightmare. You putting this on John is just silly.
And/or he actually DOES NOT USE the system he hyped for a decade.
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I beg to differ. Plenty have benefited and stepped up there game. Plenty more will follow. I see you jumped right on the bandwagon though.
Don't know who compares to JB but it works just fine for a whole lot of regular pool players. Should we crow about people who's names you won't recognize.
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I'm not riding any bandwagon, not saying plenty haven't benefited, and not saying any particular system or method doesn't work. I'm just stating the obvious "cart before the horse" mentality. It's flawed logic to believe or purport that any "effect" comes before its "cause". And you "beg to differ"?
Let's say a person works hard and builds a business worth billions of dollars, a regular Steve Jobs.
And then a newly hired financial advisor gives him some good investment advice, and the billionaire makes several hundred thousand dollars off of it. Would you say or insinuate that the billionaire is a billionaire because of the advice he was given by his newly hired adviser? Certainly not, because the man was already a billionaire. There is no cause and effect here that would indicate the advisor had anything to do with the man becoming a billionaire. The man was already very wealthy.
Now if this advisor gave your buddy, average Joe, the same advice, and average Joe borrows $10k from the bank, maybe against his home, and invests it exactly as the financial advisor says, and ends up making several hundred thousand dollars. Then he follows that up with other investments, until eventually he becomes a billionaire. There would be a clear cause and effect relationship here. Average Joe could honestly say that his financial advisor made him a very wealthy man.
What I'm getting at, since this is a thread about various aiming methods where the op is reaching out to hopefully get some good feedback or advice that will improve his game, is that there are 3 aiming methods which clearly have a history of helping average Joes reach the highest levels of play. That's not saying other methods or systems can't do the same. I believe all of them can, given enough experience, a dose of HAMB. I'm just pointing out the fact that 3 of them already have proven track records, and if the op wants to go from an average Joe to pro level, he should consider trying one of these methods.
The op might find that your method works best for him, or he might create his own method. If it's your exact method that works best for him, and he actually becomes a pro level player, or a great player, because of it, then there's justification there, a logical cause and effect to hang your hat on. Until then, it's like the cart builder bragging about how fast his cart is compared to other carts, nevermind the champion race horses pulling it. (They were champions before the cart was even built.)
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