Which lathe

bigskyjake

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Hi guys, I'm sure this question has been brought up a few dozen times so sorry in advance.

My question is this. I'm looking to start messing around possibly start making sneakys, shaftwork, ringwork etc., so would it be better to set up a lathe from scratch ( buying a metal or wood lathe and decking it out ) or buy one that is all ready to go for basic cue stuff. Also any reccomendations on brands/styles would be killer

Thanks, Jake
 
Tough to say. I pointed a fellow in the right direction once, reccomended a deluxe cuesmith lathe & some neccesary tools from the local hardware store. I even gave him some sources for wood & supplies. On top of this, I taught him some in-depth techniques & methods of building. He couldn't make it work out & sold his equipment. He made ok cues & priced them cheap, but nobody would buy them. Why? Who knows. It's tricky like that.

My reccomendation would be buying a cuesmith deluxe from Hightower. Go to Lowes or Home Depot & get yourself a $99 bandsaw, $99tablesaw & $99belt sander. Get a strong shop-vac & all neccesary protective equipment such as a respirator/mask and hearing protection. Buy some shaft wood & sneaky blanks & get some basic rings & joint pins, phenolics, bumpers & weight bolts from Atlas Billiard Supply. You'll be spending minimum $5000, and will barely have enough equipment & materials to build a couple no finish plain sneakies.

Chances are good you'll fail miserably. You'll be stuck $5G, and have a basic cue shop that you hate to even look at. You'll try selling everything but nobody wants used tools, except for the lathe. You'll get 3/4 what you paid for your lathe, everything else a loss. The cues you build at first will suck. You'll get disheartened & likely quit. You might stick with it long enough to get proficient at building & then begin finishes, and possibly even learn how to do that with fair results. But will anybody buy your cues? Probably not. If they do it'll be so cheap that it's a waste of your time. Or you might get lucky & be a grand slam prodigy, but your chances of winning the lottery are better.

If you do make it, and find that your work is fair enough & people show genuine interest to the point they'll pay, then you should begin putting money away & look at buying more serious equipment. But don't count on it. Hope for the best & plan for the worst. I'm sorry to be so negative but everything is absolutely true. I do ok with my cues, but wouldn't for a minute depend on cue income to even pay my truck payment. My wife has money, and i'm a mr.mom. I survive at building cues because I can afford to maintain the hobby, not because I sell enough cues. So if you want money, rethink your decisions. If you want a possibly fun hobby, be prepared for the expenses. Again, sorry for being negative but there's no reason to sugar coat the truth. Too many guys try & too many guys fail, losing money that could have been used to get their kids into college or buy their wife that new car she's been wanting. It's a huge expense to even begin, tremendous expense to do it right.
 
str8shooter said:
Qbilder,you hit the nail on the head.

I agree....and not only that....if you have a wife, make sure your wife understands how much actually goes into this type of "hobby". Many people don't really understand the money aspect. I have been studying everything I can over the past 5 or 6 years, and now hopefully this summer I can start to set up a shop. We'll see what happens, but I will say this....my wife is completely on board with me!
 
spot on

You are correct sir my wife supports me 110% and puts up with alot , it is an expensive hobby, IF YOU WANT TO DO IT WELL... But one thing you guys are leaving out is information!!!!!I have never seen so many guys encoraging,promotting and praise other guys work and helping when ever they can who would'nt want to be a part of this????
 
The usual path is from doing repairs for years to building. A good repairman can make more than most cuemakers if he is in the right area.

For a hobby, qbilder is right, keep it small and simple. If after a few years you want too advance, the little lathe can still be used for some steps, sanding, tips, ferrules, etc.
 
I agree to some degree with all these guys. Start out doing repairs, get comfortable with your machine and have fun progressing your skills. It IS NOT something where you just buy a machine and you're a cuemaker. I have worked on cues for 11 years and there's still a lot to learn BUT it can start out being fun. Be patient and enjoy your self along the way. I have a Hightower lathe I might would sell if you're interested.
 
brianhaynes said:
I agree to some degree with all these guys. Start out doing repairs, get comfortable with your machine and have fun progressing your skills. It IS NOT something where you just buy a machine and you're a cuemaker. I have worked on cues for 11 years and there's still a lot to learn BUT it can start out being fun. Be patient and enjoy your self along the way. I have a Hightower lathe I might would sell if you're interested.

I may be interested in your Hightower lathe. Please PM me info if you're interested in selling.

Thanks,

Randy
 
qbilder said:
Tough to say. I pointed a fellow in the right direction once, reccomended a deluxe cuesmith lathe & some neccesary tools from the local hardware store. I even gave him some sources for wood & supplies. On top of this, I taught him some in-depth techniques & methods of building. He couldn't make it work out & sold his equipment. He made ok cues & priced them cheap, but nobody would buy them. Why? Who knows. It's tricky like that.

My reccomendation would be buying a cuesmith deluxe from Hightower. Go to Lowes or Home Depot & get yourself a $99 bandsaw, $99tablesaw & $99belt sander. Get a strong shop-vac & all neccesary protective equipment such as a respirator/mask and hearing protection. Buy some shaft wood & sneaky blanks & get some basic rings & joint pins, phenolics, bumpers & weight bolts from Atlas Billiard Supply. You'll be spending minimum $5000, and will barely have enough equipment & materials to build a couple no finish plain sneakies.

Chances are good you'll fail miserably. You'll be stuck $5G, and have a basic cue shop that you hate to even look at. You'll try selling everything but nobody wants used tools, except for the lathe. You'll get 3/4 what you paid for your lathe, everything else a loss. The cues you build at first will suck. You'll get disheartened & likely quit. You might stick with it long enough to get proficient at building & then begin finishes, and possibly even learn how to do that with fair results. But will anybody buy your cues? Probably not. If they do it'll be so cheap that it's a waste of your time. Or you might get lucky & be a grand slam prodigy, but your chances of winning the lottery are better.

If you do make it, and find that your work is fair enough & people show genuine interest to the point they'll pay, then you should begin putting money away & look at buying more serious equipment. But don't count on it. Hope for the best & plan for the worst. I'm sorry to be so negative but everything is absolutely true. I do ok with my cues, but wouldn't for a minute depend on cue income to even pay my truck payment. My wife has money, and i'm a mr.mom. I survive at building cues because I can afford to maintain the hobby, not because I sell enough cues. So if you want money, rethink your decisions. If you want a possibly fun hobby, be prepared for the expenses. Again, sorry for being negative but there's no reason to sugar coat the truth. Too many guys try & too many guys fail, losing money that could have been used to get their kids into college or buy their wife that new car she's been wanting. It's a huge expense to even begin, tremendous expense to do it right.


What's life without taking a chacne every now and again. who knows he could end up loving it
 
poolplayer2093 said:
What's life without taking a chacne every now and again. who knows he could end up loving it

He might. And taking the chance is a choice each of us builders have made. Without taking the chance there will always be that nagging question of what could have been. It's just smart to prepare for any outcome before taking the chance. In other words, don't gamble with money you can't afford to lose.

For me, I love building cues. If I never sell a cue again, i'd still build them. I don't build them for money or for any reason other than I simply enjoy it. First of all, i'm a Mr. Mom, so I get a bit stressed watching a 2 year old day in & day out, doing things I grew up watching my mother do like cooking & cleaning & such. So building cues in my little cave is a manly getaway in the evenings. I can have a beer, get my hands dirty, fart out loud without seeing that disgusted look from my wife & daughter. It's like a nightly mancation.

Next is the love of the materials. I'm a wood nut. I love scouring the country in search for crazy, off the wall woods. I love cutting trees & milling lumber & everything that goes into it. I drive my truck up into the mountains, hike the woods in search of a particular tree, cut it down & quarter it into the log I need, and rustle it down the mountain & into the truck or trailer. Sometimes I even break the law to do it, having to get the wood out fast before somebody sees me cutting. It's a rush, like an outlaw. It's friggin man's work & makes me feel good, alive. I love it. And sometimes I buy the wood, just depends. So yeah, building cues can be very rewarding. Just be smart about your investments & money spent.

Luckily I have earned a place in the industry that allows for my cues to pay for themselves, or mostly. But up until then I was fitting the bill. Even now I don't make more than I spend, or at least enough to pay myself for the hours invested. But I do it because I love doing it. It's fun. I encourage anybody who loves cues to build at least one. Experience it & get first hand knowledge of what it takes. It's a friggin blast and can be an emotional roller coaster. Just be smart about it.
 
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