Who is the man to beat for each discipline?

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If a person wanted to be considered the greatest pool player of this generation, who does he/she needs to beat in every billiard discipline.

This is my list (feel free to add more disciplines for Herculenean effort :D):

9-Ball - Johnny Archer (Yang close second) - If you want to talk about consistency these are the guys

8-Ball - Efren Reyes - Cue ball control

One-Pocket - Efren Reyes - No explanation needed

14.1 - Oliver Ortmann - Pocketing prowess

Snooker - Stephen Hendry - Watching him while growing up can make you think billiards is so easy


I'm not quite so sure if 10-Ball will become another specialist discipline or not even sure if it is a specialist discipline.
 
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9-Ball - Dennis Orcullo

8-Ball - Efren Reyes

10 Ball Shane Van Boening

One-Pocket - Efren Reyes

14.1 - Thorsten Hohmann

Banks - Danny Harriman

Snooker - Peter Ebdon
 
9-Ball - Ralf Souquet

8-Ball - Efren Reyes

One-Pocket - Efren Reyes

14.1 - Thorsten Hohmann

Snooker - Steve Hendry

10-ball - Dennis Orcullo
 
crosseyedjoe said:
If a person wanted to be considered the greatest pool player of this generation, who does he/she needs to beat in every billiard discipline.

This is my list (feel free to add more discipline for Herculenean effort :D):
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Since you let snooker in ....
3-cushion - Torbjorn Blomdahl, who now has 50% more ranking points than the guy in 2nd (Caudron)
"small carom games" - Frederic Caudron
 
9-Ball - Yang

8-Ball - Efren Reyes

One-Pocket - Efren Reyes

Rotation - Efren Reyes

14.1 - Thorsten Hohmann

10-ball - Dennis Orcullo
 
Bob Jewett said:
Since you let snooker in ....
3-cushion - Torbjorn Blomdahl, who now has 50% more ranking points than the guy in 2nd (Caudron)
"small carom games" - Frederic Caudron
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That's OK, I really mean all billiard disciplines where someone can be a specialist.

Russian Pyramid - Stalev
 
I don't really think anyone can answer this question accurately, because anybody can beat anybody on a given day. Nobody is a "champ" for years upon years, like Mosconi in the 40's & 50's. Just because you beat someone in a tournament, or gambling doesn't mean you're the best. You're only the best THAT DAY. IMO there are far too many good players to be able to make judgements that have any validity.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
9-Ball - Earl strickland

8-Ball - Efren Reyes

10 Ball - Earl Strickland

One-Pocket - Efren Reyes

14.1 - Oliver Ortmann

Snooker - Ronnie O'Sullivan with no doubts - I kind of suprised he didn't get mentioned.
 
crosseyedjoe said:
... Snooker - Stephen Hendry - Watching him while growing up can make you think billiards is so easy ...
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I thought the line on him now is that he is too old to play at the very top level -- 38. I see he is ranked 8th on the pro tour.
 
asbani said:
9-Ball - Earl strickland

8-Ball - Efren Reyes

10 Ball - Earl Strickland

One-Pocket - Efren Reyes

14.1 - Oliver Ortmann

Snooker - Ronnie O'Sullivan with no doubts - I kind of suprised he didn't get mentioned.
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Earl Strickland? seriously? When did he last win a major event? As to snooker, I agree that O'Sullivan is the man to beat.

On the other hand, to be considered best in any discipline, you really would have to beat all the major players. If I had several wins against Ortmann in 14.1, but couldn't get it done against Mika or Harriman, how could I be the best? I think that the only player that qualifies all by himself is Efren in one pocket. If you beat him several matches at different times you will be considered the best without having to play Cliff, Scott, or whoever.
 
champs

9 ball -reyes
10 ball-reyes
8 ball-reyes
one pocket-reyes
rotation-reyes
14.1-alex pagleon
bank-reyes after 1 week
and before yall go off on my picks, would you really,REALLY want to bet against him in the long run?? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :p
 
Based on the DCC, Jason Miller would be my top pick for banks. Maybe Brumback for second with Harriman real close. Anyone know if these guys have ever matched up in $$ games? Piggy also plays great but after watching Miller play like God and run right through him for his first win at the DCC, I can't imagine anyone hitting them better than that.

If we're talking about players right now, Earl isn't in my top five for nine or ten ball even if he uses the greatest custom cue in the world. Yang, Orcullo, Manalo, Pagulayan, Johnny A, Busta all would beat him IMO.

Snooker has changed since Hendry, Davis, even O'Sullivan dominated it. O'Sullivan still might be the most talented right now, but he doesn't dominate like Efren in one pocket or anything...

14.1 is a hard pick. Thorsten is a machine, Engert also plays at a ridiculous level (Anyone here think 491 on a 9 footer isn't as great an achievement as Mosconi's 526 on a 8 footer with 5" pockets?), Schmidt, Harriman, even Efren are still good choices. I guess Thorsten is probably top dog right now overall.
 
banks---Harriman

rotation--Reyes

1p------Reyes

8b------Reyes

9b-----Yang

10b----Orcollo

14-1---Hohlman

Snooker--Hendry

3c------Blumdahl

woofin--bucktooth

bitin----cliff
 
anything on a pool table, REYES!!!!!

not one American today will play Efren a 5 figure match even in any game

ask the country's best Bank Pool players to bet Efren even for 10k and watch them run

O'Sullivan is a nut job a la Earl, the best ever but his issues will prevent him from besting Hendry's greatest achievements

Blohmdahl is a 3c God

But not one player alive plays world class at even 2 of the 3 major disciplines with the possible exception of Karen and Allison, that is if you consider women's pool/snooker champions to be world class overall
 
Scott Lee said:
I don't really think anyone can answer this question accurately, because anybody can beat anybody on a given day. Nobody is a "champ" for years upon years, like Mosconi in the 40's & 50's. Just because you beat someone in a tournament, or gambling doesn't mean you're the best. You're only the best THAT DAY. IMO there are far too many good players to be able to make judgements that have any validity.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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I agree 100%
 
although I agree that the judgements in question are difficult to produce, it's more due to a lack of proper tournaments than the abundance of great players which are most certainly numerous
 
longhair said:
Earl Strickland? seriously? When did he last win a major event? As to snooker, I agree that O'Sullivan is the man to beat.

On the other hand, to be considered best in any discipline, you really would have to beat all the major players. If I had several wins against Ortmann in 14.1, but couldn't get it done against Mika or Harriman, how could I be the best? I think that the only player that qualifies all by himself is Efren in one pocket. If you beat him several matches at different times you will be considered the best without having to play Cliff, Scott, or whoever.
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He still is the best pool player. the next 3 months will show you that :) and the past 20 years have already shown you.
 
My picks:

One Pocket: Efren
14.1: Thorsten Hohmann
9-ball: Dennis Orcullo
10-ball: Dennis Orcullo (though I would still pick Efren in both 9-ball and 10-ball, I understand that Dennis is "the man" these days)
8-ball: Efren
Rotation: Efren
Banks: I don't know enough about the game to pick anyone.
 
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