Who is to blame for Team USA loss in Mosconi Cup 2014?
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When asked about the loud and boisterous crowd affecting his play Bergman replied "We have at most 50 watching the final matches in America I'd rather have this " totally different environment...I love it...pressure ...wish we had it here....Millions watched it LIVE on the telly...not here, it just isn't supported by the public....I thought they had a good chance...things went side ways...but we are on the right track...it is a team that wins...not individuals....it's a team...and they were a good choice......okay we lost...any Limeys here...step up and start crowing....
That is actually a valid point. :yes:
1984
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Hello,
as a european playern and pool lover I would like to share my aspects with you. Blaming a person is not the right way, in my opinion. My solutions:
If you have seen the interview with the europe coach Johan, you know all the "secrets":
Teambuildung
I think Mark did a great Job there. Nearly everthing I saw concerning TEAM behavor, was way better than the last years. But: Buildung a Team takes time and you can't force that it in one year. So I would suggest to go on with that! A Team needs a leader at (near) the table, and I think that shane is not the right one for that.
Preperation
You have to prepare for the event. That means in every aspect. Tables, crowds, strategy etc. But: In my eyes nearly all US players did act as they would play a long running match. In a race to 11, 20, 50 you have to get speed because you HAVE to come in a flow. In a short race event you have to take care 100% on EVERY shot. US Player did defenetly not. In my eyes this has been the problem for Rodney and Mike before. US Team should train short race aspects. You CAN work on this.
Of course I love to see Europe win again and again, but most I would like to close matches.
1984
as a european playern and pool lover I would like to share my aspects with you. Blaming a person is not the right way, in my opinion. My solutions:
If you have seen the interview with the europe coach Johan, you know all the "secrets":
Teambuildung
I think Mark did a great Job there. Nearly everthing I saw concerning TEAM behavor, was way better than the last years. But: Buildung a Team takes time and you can't force that it in one year. So I would suggest to go on with that! A Team needs a leader at (near) the table, and I think that shane is not the right one for that.
Preperation
You have to prepare for the event. That means in every aspect. Tables, crowds, strategy etc. But: In my eyes nearly all US players did act as they would play a long running match. In a race to 11, 20, 50 you have to get speed because you HAVE to come in a flow. In a short race event you have to take care 100% on EVERY shot. US Player did defenetly not. In my eyes this has been the problem for Rodney and Mike before. US Team should train short race aspects. You CAN work on this.
Of course I love to see Europe win again and again, but most I would like to close matches.
1984
USA wouldnt have missed as many.... if the bags had been smaller.
Short races, alt break, noisy fans etc, bla bla bla
Thanks for the laugh:thumbup:
The ability of the team, not necessarily their effort.
1. Europe had 45 legal wet breaks and ran out 24 of them: 53.3%
US ran out only 17 of 46 legal wet breaks: 37%
2. On dry and foul breaks, US won only 9.1% versus Europe 58.9%.
3. US had 46 of 57 legal wet breaks: 80.7% versus Europe 45 of 62: 72.6%
A tighter table would have meant less wet breaks and more strategical play, where Europe dominated even more strongly they did in break and run percentage.
Basically, the US team needs the 8 against Europe.
1. Europe had 45 legal wet breaks and ran out 24 of them: 53.3%
US ran out only 17 of 46 legal wet breaks: 37%
2. On dry and foul breaks, US won only 9.1% versus Europe 58.9%.
3. US had 46 of 57 legal wet breaks: 80.7% versus Europe 45 of 62: 72.6%
A tighter table would have meant less wet breaks and more strategical play, where Europe dominated even more strongly they did in break and run percentage.
Basically, the US team needs the 8 against Europe.
I think it's Earl's fault. After the first day of watching it from home, he should have booked the first flight the next morning from New York to Blackpool. Then he should have made his entrance in the middle of a match like a WWE wrestler. The lights in the whole auditorium would black out and over the loud speaker you'd hear an audio clip of him saying, "I'm the greatest athlete that America has ever produced!" Then a couple of spotlights would shine on him as he walks down the stairs of the auditorium while pyrotechnics go off all around him. Finally, he'd look over to Team Europe, point to Karl Boyes and say, "Let's get it on!"
Who is to blame for Team USA loss in Mosconi Cup 2014? Please state your reasons
This is easy to answer, Team Europe played better.
However, in Team USA's defense the Euro's seemed to get the better rolls in the matches I watched. One good roll in a short race to 5 with alternating break can determine who wins the set! Example: USA plays a safety, Europe kicks and hits the ball and doesn't leave a shot, USA tries a safety and the ball just leaks out and Europe runs out! There's one of the five games gone and USA didn't do anything wrong!
The Euro's played well, but I saw this happen a number of times. Shane cut a ball in on one end off the short rail (very hard shot on day 4) and the cue ball goes all the way down table hits the other short rail bounces off and ends up behind a ball, which shouldn't have happened, and Shane has to kick and leaves a shot. That game was lost because the table had a slight roll to the middle which put Shane behind a ball instead of him having a shot.
Well, this year was the first year I viewed the mosconi cup. It was only for about a half hour, which is not putting blame on the mosconi cup but more for not really caring to see 9 ball.
However, just about as much of a factor in waving my hand and turning it off, guaranteeing I'll not watch it again was the crowd.
Someone on this thread mentioned drunken baboons, and someone else got defensive. How in the world could it be described any better? I can only come up with assholes, yeah thats better, assholes.
However, just about as much of a factor in waving my hand and turning it off, guaranteeing I'll not watch it again was the crowd.
Someone on this thread mentioned drunken baboons, and someone else got defensive. How in the world could it be described any better? I can only come up with assholes, yeah thats better, assholes.
I remember that shot, you are right
Short races? Yes 16 of them.
Alt break? Yes because that's the only fair way to play a short race. Maybe the US Mosconi Cup players don't try as hard to win when it's alt break????? I doubt it - and I doubt they would use it as an excuse.
Noisy fans? Isn't "make some noise" of US origin?
Maybe they should play snooker then for more money, more respect and quieter fans if their technical proficiency is that good.
You are talking a complete and utter load of dogsh1te. The better team won. Maybe next year the better team will be the USA. It will turn at some point, it always does - maybe temporarily or maybe for a number of years. You are living in cloud cuckoo land - the USA has no more right to win pool tourneys than England has to win the FIFA World cup.
Alt break? Lol, the closer you get to the elite level of pool (and those losing US players, who deserve our respect, are right up there) there is less and less call for winner breaks in a competitive pool tournament.
Are you directing this response at sheffield6? Because if so I think you're completing missing the point of their post, lol.
Oops, yes I look a fool for not reading the whole thread and putting things in context. Thanks for putting me right. Apologies, sheffield6
Haha, no worries, I was getting confused as you seemed to be agreeing with them.
thanks SJ, saved me splainin
Thanks for the stats, they demonstrate the different levels the two teams played at.
Whose fault was it? Well it sure wasn't Justin Hall's.
The guilty parties were Dechaine and Archer --- for not being there. Why weren't two of America's three best players on this year's team? Oh wait, they weren't chosen. Never mind.
It's nobody's fault, really. The team we sent wasn't in the same league as Team Europe, and rest assured, this Team Europe played at a significantly lower standard than the 2013 European team, on which Immomen and Souquet were both superb, and on which Souquet was undefeated.
On a 2014 team that had little depth and two veteran players on the downsides of their careers, there was great pressure on SVB to put in a big performance, and his disappointing effort probably sealed the team's fate. Still, it's not on Shane, for he gave it his best, and that's all we could ever ask of him. He's a credit to our sport.
We really don't need to assign blame. Best is to say "well played" to Team Europe and move on.
The guilty parties were Dechaine and Archer --- for not being there. Why weren't two of America's three best players on this year's team? Oh wait, they weren't chosen. Never mind.
It's nobody's fault, really. The team we sent wasn't in the same league as Team Europe, and rest assured, this Team Europe played at a significantly lower standard than the 2013 European team, on which Immomen and Souquet were both superb, and on which Souquet was undefeated.
On a 2014 team that had little depth and two veteran players on the downsides of their careers, there was great pressure on SVB to put in a big performance, and his disappointing effort probably sealed the team's fate. Still, it's not on Shane, for he gave it his best, and that's all we could ever ask of him. He's a credit to our sport.
We really don't need to assign blame. Best is to say "well played" to Team Europe and move on.