Whoa - I priced tips today!

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A friend has offered to replace my old tip (very very old) with a Ram tip for free. I shot with the Ram for 3 hours and liked it fine...

But I was amazed to see that a Moori costs $19 compared to a Triangle or an Everest or a Ram...

And I was trying to imagine how good a tip would have to be, or how good a tip would have to feel, to warrant paying 6 times the price of another tip that is considered "great" by many other players....

So I'm wondering, from you Moori/Kamui/Sniper people; what makes the difference?
 
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Surly said:
A friend has offered to replace my old tip (very very old) with a Ram tip for free. I shot with the Ram for 3 hours and liked it fine...

But I was amazed to see that a Moori costs $19 compared to a Triangle or an Everest or a Ram...

And I was trying to imagine how good a tip would have to be, or how good a tip would have to feel, to warrant paying 6 times the price of another tip that is considered "great" by many other players....

So I'm wondering, from you Moori/Kamui/Sniper people; what makes the difference?
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research and design, advertising, production cost, customers willingness to pay that price for 'em....will it be better (worth the extra cost) for you?? Maybe, maybe not (?). But that's my best guess at WHY...

If you have a tip that can do everything you need it to do....then, NO, it wouldn't be worth the extra $$.
 
Surly said:
A friend has offered to replace my old tip (very very old) with a Ram tip for free. I shot with the Ram for 3 hours and liked it fine...

But I was amazed to see that a Moori costs $19 compared to a Triangle or an Everest or a Ram...

And I was trying to imagine how good a tip would have to be, or how good a tip would have to feel, to warrant paying 6 times the price of another tip that is considered "great" by many other players....

So I'm wondering, from you Moori/Kamui/Sniper people; what makes the difference?
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In my opinion, it is worth it, but you can get them for less. Contact Troy here on AZ (KOINNKID)

www.allaboutthegameroom.com
 
Surly said:
A friend has offered to replace my old tip (very very old) with a Ram tip for free. I shot with the Ram for 3 hours and liked it fine...

But I was amazed to see that a Moori costs $19 compared to a Triangle or an Everest or a Ram...

And I was trying to imagine how good a tip would have to be, or how good a tip would have to feel, to warrant paying 6 times the price of another tip that is considered "great" by many other players....

So I'm wondering, from you Moori/Kamui/Sniper people; what makes the difference?
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you can buy a $10,000 hyundai or a 100,000$ mercades. now both have 4 wheels and get you from point a to point b. but one will perform better.

smae here. lepro/triangle is a single pc of leather stamped. very inconsistand. maybe only half the box are good. usually less if youre picky like me

mooris/everests/snipers and precision made layered tips. layers of leather are glued together. much more time to make them. much more cost to make them. much more consistant of a tip. spin the ball much better also. depending on which one you like. all of them worlds above lepros/triangles. if you treat them well and dont grind them down to nothing they should last a very long time also.
 
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DJKeys said:
In my opinion, it is worth it, but you can get them for less. Contact Troy here on AZ (KOINNKID)

www.allaboutthegameroom.com
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If you have your own cue, then you must want it to perform like you like it.
90% of the performance of your cue is the shaft.
90% of the shaft is your tip/ferrule.

Take the price of the tip and divide by 200 or 300 hours (or more) and see what the cost is per hour for that tip.

Seems to me it would be worth it.

Larry
 
Sometimes it just comes down to perceived value. But if you were the bovine how would you like it if someone pulled 13 mm plugs out of your hide?
I am sure that you would charge more than $19.00 :rotflmao1:


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dave sutton said:
you can buy a $10,000 hyundai or a 100,000$ mercades. now both have 4 wheels and get you from point a to point b. but one will perform better.
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depends...say we take them both to the Brickyard, let a professional race car driver drive the Hyundai, and my wife (who will not drive above highway speeds) drives the Mercedes......

10X the price doesn't necessarily = 10X better. It can be the case, but 10X the price is USUALLY better (but often not 10X better).
 
Surly said:
So the difference lies in the imagination...

Just as I suspected...

Thanks.
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I personally play a layered tip. For me, the lack of maintenance (shaping, scuffing, etc.), and the fact that they last quite awhile (for me) helps justify the cost. Plus I feel the tip (Molavia hard) does play better than the Triangle I used to have on previous cues.

I have tried layered tips that I didn't like (mushy ones), so those are worth ALOT less than a Triangle to me (though they cost MUCH more)......you have to find one you like.
 
Surly said:
So the difference lies in the imagination...

Just as I suspected...

Thanks.
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Not at all. The difference to me is the performance.

I shot with a LePro tip for 20+ years, then switched to a moori medium 3 years ago. I shoot at least a ball better and am more consistent with less maintenance on the tip.

I will gladly pay 19 bucks for a tip that does that.

YMWV of course.
 
jcommie said:
SVB plays with a triangle and kicks everyones ass. What does that tell you?
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That he is phenomenal... :D

I asked a local shortstop what he had on his Z-2 shaft and he told me it was the standard everest tip. He than told me how much he hated it and was going to change it to a Le pro tip because he likes them more. Go figure... I guess it all depends on the person because when I shot with a Le Pro I hated it's leathery guts.
 
trustyrusty said:
depends...say we take them both to the Brickyard, let a professional race car driver drive the Hyundai, and my wife (who will not drive above highway speeds) drives the Mercedes......

10X the price doesn't necessarily = 10X better. It can be the case, but 10X the price is USUALLY better (but often not 10X better).
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youre comparison is not equal. if you let the SAME guy drive both cars which one wins?

same guy same cue different tip. all is equal EXCEPT the tip

if you play with the everest and my 9 yr old son plays with the lepro do you think you can play 10x better? answer is yes
 
dave sutton said:
youre comparison is not equal. if you let the SAME guy drive both cars which one wins?

same guy same cue different tip. all is equal EXCEPT the tip

if you play with the everest and my 9 yr old son plays with the lepro do you think you can play 10x better? answer is yes
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ok, we'll try it your way....both cars do 100 laps. Will the Mercedes finish 10X faster to justify the cost (or average speed, if the Mercedes can average 110 mph on that track...the Hyundai could surely better 11 mph)? I paid $10 for my layered tip...not sure what a Triangle tip costs ??? (a buck). Am I ten times more likely to run out a rack with my layered tip?? nope, but I do like it better.

BTW, who knows, I may need weight from your boy.....?
 
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Surly said:
I shot with the Ram for 3 hours and liked it fine.
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First of all & not to hurt your feelings but I have to ask, how well do you play? If you aren't aware, the Ram tip isn't even leather. I don't know any quality players who would like that tip or play with it. If you are an APA 2 or 3 and just getting started in the game then I understand as you may not even be able to tell the difference or realize what the tip is doing & what you are feeling. If you are worried about prices, then just get a Triangle or LePro...hard to beat if you have a good one and most charge $10 installed.
As for the more expensive premium tips...as a general rule they are more consistant in quality & require less maintenance. Most players can tell & feel a difference between tips and after trying different ones, they realize what feels best to them & what performs best for their game.
 
Tip tuning

Gentlemen may I inject a bit of wisdom on tips if I could. No matter what tip you apply it must be "tuned". If you expect per4mance from gluing one on and shootin' with it, it's no wonder youre dissapointed. Every tip I use is 1/2 gone before it feels right. :thumbup: Don
 
trustyrusty said:
ok, we'll try it your way....both cars do 100 laps. Will the Mercedes finish 10X faster to justify the cost (or average speed, if the Mercedes can average 110 mph on that track...the Hyundai could surely better 11 mph)? I paid $10 for my layered tip...not sure what a Triangle tip costs ??? (a buck). Am I ten times more likely to run out a rack with my layered tip?? nope, but I do like it better.

BTW, who knows, I may need weight from your boy.....?
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lol... ok you win. drive your hyundai and plAy with you le pros... i dont care.

also i do have a "boy" that can give you whatever WEIGHT you want AND YOU STILL CANT WIN...;););)
 
dave sutton said:
lol... ok you win. drive your hyundai and plAy with you le pros... i dont care.

also i do have a "boy" that can give you whatever WEIGHT you want AND YOU STILL CANT WIN...;););)
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if you would've read my posts...I do play with a layered tip (my preference), and though I haven't mentioned it, I don't drive a Hyundai...

Just answering the man if they are "worth" the price, and I stated why the one I play is to me....it may or may not be to him. I guess I get sucked into all posts that question whether or not something is worth x amount more than something else. If it is to "you" (whoever is paying), then YES it is.


As for the weight, tell your boy to pick a course, and I'll decide on how many strokes I need (without even seeing his game). :)
 
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Tips are all about personal perception. Give a top pro two exact same cues (same weight, etc.). Put a LePro or Triangle on one, and a Moori/Sniper/pick your layered tip on the other. They will run the same number of balls with either cue...not saying they don't prefer one over the other, but they will run the balls the same. This is just the same as somebody walking into the poolroom, picking up a house cue, and running 100 in straight pool. House cues do not have layered tips. Some people like layered tips, and some like single layer tips. Playability is subject to the user, not the tip.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

dave sutton said:
youre comparison is not equal. if you let the SAME guy drive both cars which one wins?

same guy same cue different tip. all is equal EXCEPT the tip
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I have had Sniper, LePro, Moori, and Elk Master and I gotta say that I like my layered Moori the best by faaaaarrrrrr. It's a great tip and I wouldn't hesitate to buy one for $19. But if you are on a tight budget, look at LePro.... they are a good tip with a well balanced feel and touch to it..........or you could just get a Moori.:thumbup:
 
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