Who's cues hit like (*&%?

classiccues said:
The second you said I put a predator shaft on a Szamboti you lost all credibility.. lol :D

JV

im guilty. i did it too. my 2nd worst was the szamboti and i put the pred to see if i was reatrded and i wasnt. it was the shafts. they hit terrible :eek:

just a fuke!!!

Bamacues said:
IMO, with the exception of the availability of real good shaft wood, and the use of asbestos based melamine (which could cause you some health isues if you work on it and breathe in the fibers), yes. In fact, I would tend to think that Jerry's cues made in the late 80s and early 90s were better than the ones he made in his very early days.

When discussing early Schon cues to later Schon cues once, Evan Clark told me "Hell, if I had not learned enough to make a better cue now than I did 20 years ago, I would quit." Again, with the exception of the availability of good wood, etc, I feel he is correct. That is not to say that the cues Jerry, Mickey and Al made before Jerry passed were of any lesser quality that now...that is obviously not the case.

However, Mickey, Al and Laurie could have cranked up production at any time by going CNC, buying new equipment, hiring more people, etc, but they haven't. Instead, they have remained at a fairly steady production rate, using the same techniques as in the past, concentrating on building a quality cue. Wood is wood, and from time to time, things happen to it, but I feel that SW still puts out a really good "billiards instrument". Next time you are in Vegas, call Laurie and go visit the SW cue "factory" and let me know what you think then.

Joe

i think sw makes just the right amount of cues a year. qctually maybe a little high. approaching 200. ive seen like 478 or something...

any more i think their market might be effected. like bill mcdaniels
 
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Danktrees said:
Dear Lord. That is some whacked-up dictionary.:D
Spelt as past and perfect tense for spell?
Never even heard of it.
..........
A friend of mine had this custom cue one time. Real skinny and front heavy. SS collar. In need of a wrap I took it to a friend. The top of the handle had a 3-inch long phenolic. No wonder it hit different. Some liked it, some did not.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Spelt? :D Spelled you mean.

Meuccis. Plastic collar, spongy ferrules, long straight taper on shafts and weight bolts everywhere=no life to me.

agreed. i think meucci s are the worst cue for the money.

i have changed a few ferrules and had some play ok.

their QC sux...

my friend bought a road agent that i swear was like .800 in the joint
 
> With the exception of just one,every SW that I've hit with that had linen-based ferrules played like a glorified McDermott. Only the ones with micarta or ivory ferrules hit like they were deserving of the hype.

> Any Meucci made since 1992 or so.

> Wasn't impressed with a plain bacote Cog a friend bought at the U.S. Open one year,but that might have been just a crappy tip.

> Seen some nice looking Cokers,but most hit like a McD. These are the only ones I can think of right off,other than a real-deal Bushka I played with once that felt like it was broke. Tommy D.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Dear Lord. That is some whacked-up dictionary.:D
Spelt as past and perfect tense for spell?
Never even heard of it.

Me neither,,,,,,,,probably we will be a whole new langauge here in the US in a hundred years. :rolleyes: Too much slang.

Agree with one of the earlier posters here,,,,,,,,anyone putting one of those crappy Preditor shafts on a Szamboti needs a straight jacket and some lithuim,,,,,,,,,,,after being caned! :)
 
For me, one of the worst hitting cues ever was an old McDermott,,,,,,,,but another old McDermott was one of the best hitting. Go figure. Had similar experience with Huebler as well. Best hit ever was a Szamboti,,,,,,wish I had never sold that cue,,,,,back about 1985.
 
wyld78 said:
Me neither,,,,,,,,probably we will be a whole new langauge here in the US in a hundred years. :rolleyes: Too much slang.

it's not slang. spelt is the british past tense of "to spell" while spelled is the american past tense of "spell"

i also used a viking once which was horrible. the cue resonated a lot. i dunno if something was loose in it or it was just a dud.
 
Danktrees said:
it's not slang. spelt is the british past tense of "to spell" while spelled is the american past tense of "spell"

i also used a viking once which was horrible. the cue resonated a lot. i dunno if something was loose in it or it was just a dud.


what is the french canadain past tense?
 
Ernie Martinez

12squared said:
Just so you all know, there are a few Ernie Martinez cues out there that were not made by Ernie, but Ernie's brother using Ernie's logo. During a couple of Ernie's "time outs", I'm told his brother continued to make cues using the logo and sold them as Ernies to continue his revenue stream. All this was done without Ernie's knowledge or permission. If the fit & finish isn't perfect (i.e. where the wrap meets the forearm/buttsleeve) or it is very loose or very tight when it's screwed together, it may not, and probably is not one of Ernie's cues.

Ernie put a stop to this this go around and since his brother does not work with him anymore, this should not happen again. However, we are talking about wood and it's not to say every cue ever cuemaker mkaes hits the same, there could be a lemon or two out there from Ernie, I just haven't hit with one of those yet :). Ernie is a perfectionists and knows his craft very very well. But we've all hit with cues we didn't like (for us) that others from the same maker hit great.

Sorry to disturb the thread but I thought you would like to know what has not been talked about. All of Ernie's new cues are made 100% by Ernie & have all hit really well that I've tried. But are they for everyone??????

Dave

Dave, very well said, although I do not disagree with Ross and Von's statements. There may have been a couple that got out early on in this new venture, or one that was made by his brother out of the old shop

I own several old Ernie Martinez cues, and 1-brand new one. The workmanship is perfect throughout every one of them and the old ones hit very good, they are not for sale. He was listed as a top 5-cue builder. The new one could use some re-taper work, 4.5 oz over sized shafts but I am not going to touch them so the cue retains it's value. Ernie would take care of it, replace them whatever I want, but I still like the cue. The combination of the coco bolo forearm, 13mm plus 4.5 oz shafts, makes it hard for me to get draw.

On the other hand, if anybody out there wants to sell their 4 or 6 point Ernie Martinez cues, let me know as I collect them. There may even be some 8 or 12 point cues out there that I would love to have.

Ted
 
dave sutton said:
what is the french canadain past tense?

who knows? ask yally i dont live in montreal nor do i speak french. im sure u could just look it up tho if u were actually interested and not just blowing smoke.
 
1pRoscoe said:
The base of my opinion is a 1982 6pt w/ micarta ferrules to a 2003 BEM plain jane... You can tell me the only differentiator between these two cues is that Jerry died? :rolleyes:

Your comparing Apple and Oranges...
A cue with different ferrules and with and without points will have a degree of difference in hit.. A comparison of identical cues should be very close..
A possible difference would be the lot of shaftwood at the time..
The year it was made isn't the difference...
The person who made your 1982 is the same who made your 2003 (Same guys in the shop, making the same way)..

POST or Pre Franklin was your original point..
No Difference.. Just a Myth..
Southwest cues are some of the most consistant cues on the market today..period..
Best,
Ken
Highendcues
 
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12squared said:
Just so you all know, there are a few Ernie Martinez cues out there that were not made by Ernie, but Ernie's brother using Ernie's logo. During a couple of Ernie's "time outs", I'm told his brother continued to make cues using the logo and sold them as Ernies to continue his revenue stream. All this was done without Ernie's knowledge or permission. If the fit & finish isn't perfect (i.e. where the wrap meets the forearm/buttsleeve) or it is very loose or very tight when it's screwed together, it may not, and probably is not one of Ernie's cues.

Ernie put a stop to this this go around and since his brother does not work with him anymore, this should not happen again. However, we are talking about wood and it's not to say every cue ever cuemaker mkaes hits the same, there could be a lemon or two out there from Ernie, I just haven't hit with one of those yet :). Ernie is a perfectionists and knows his craft very very well. But we've all hit with cues we didn't like (for us) that others from the same maker hit great.

Sorry to disturb the thread but I thought you would like to know what has not been talked about. All of Ernie's new cues are made 100% by Ernie & have all hit really well that I've tried. But are they for everyone??????

Dave

Just for the record, my favorite cue of all time, happens to be an Ernie cue. its an absolute masterpiece! (It also belongs to my dentist) so it would be like pulling teeth to try and get it. Ernie Martinez. and Bill Stroud. are my two favorite cue makers.
 
1pRoscoe said:
So we always hear the hype about "hit like a mack truck", "hit a ton", and "hit is INCREDIBLE!", but I'm curious..... Who makes a cue that just hits like crap? Why do you not like them?

Not looking for opinions on cuemakers you don't care for, but cues that just consistently don't seem to be right....

Like others have said, I've yet to see an add in the for sale section that said, "it doesn't really hit all that great, but I'm selling it anyways...."

My vote - Ernie Martinez. I bought one due to the hype and was sorely dissappointed... Didn't like the taper, the joint, the balance - nothing.


Believe it or not, a Lacasi (sp) the couple I tried I did not care for the balance at all thus the hit, could have just been the balance though,

cheers-------------BW
 
Oh my god . . .

Jeffrey Gale said:
I wanted to see what the hype is with South West cues, so I bought one. I don't like it, call me crazy, I just don't like the hit and feel. I let my friends shot with it when they come over and play, it's my house cue. They're 20 other cues that I could name, that hit better than a SW, and of course, this is only my opinion.

That is blasphemous . . . you'll have the forum police after you for sure!
 

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HighEndCues said:
This is a very interesting opinion..
Since the SAME people have been making the cues in the SW shop for about 20 years.. When Jerry was alive and now.. Mickey and Al didn't change their techniques after Jerry's passing...
Best,
Ken
Highendcues


SW cues havent changed, with the exception of the fancy cues they just dont make as many, but the standard 6 point cues play the same, jerry didnt make the cues top to bottom, he painted them, and built the tools in the shop, anyone can put a blank in a table saw lathe he built and cut it down, the reason it takes 9 years to get a cue is there are 2 less people working there and they DIDNT change anything. jerry was a great friend and he left a legecy of intgrety when he passed on and the new SW cues play the same, the only case that may make the older SW's play better is the fact the wood is old, and i firmly believe old wood cues play better, thats the only possible reason old SW's play a bit better but rest assured the new ones now will play better in time.
 
I had a Pechauer sneaky that was the worst thing I ever played with...the best cue I ever played with was this Zuricky that was a j/b with a 3/4 inch stainless steel collar joint and a half inch ivory ferrule...lolz :eek:
 
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the cheapest Gus Szam I ever bought is a dud, I have played with alot of them and of course they all play a bit different but I have one that just dosent play good, but then again i'm compairing it to other szams, I have a Barry that I use on a regular basis.

I have 5 bushkas, 4 play ok and one is amazing, its my other player.

I also have a SW I used for 7 years, it needs tips again, i put alot of miles on it its ebony with ivory points, and to my suprise its the softest hitting SW i ever played with and I have hit balls with 40-50 of them.


my point with the 3 paragraphs is its not the cue maker its the cue, some are amazing and others are dud's, its wood and has a mind of its own like girls.
 
It is refreshing to hear the negative cue comments. This type of info. is more valuable than the always positive comments about any cue somebody puts up for sale.

All you hear is - it hits like a hammer, it hits a ton, I ran 3 racks with it the first hour I had it. You couldn't buy a better cue. I've hit with that cue for tests only and it hits like an elephant. That cue is a winner, none better. So and so makes a great cue, you'll love it. This cue is cheap at three times the price. Joe Blow makes a dynamite cue and the value will only go up. And on and on and on with the BS.

Thank God we finally hear some truth. Every cue is NOT a Lexus or Mercedes, or Cadillac. Some are Fords and Chevys and some are Yugos.
 
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